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What Do Rasmussen And Pulse Opinion Research Have In Common?

First Posted: 09/14/10 05:47 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:40 PM ET

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Earlier today, Fox News released five new polls measuring voter preferences in the Senate races in Florida, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio and California. The Fox News story says the polls are conducted by Pulse Opinion Research. We will tackle the results in another article, but for now political junkies may be wondering, what is Pulse Opinion Research?

The answer (as reported earlier today by Political Wire) is that Pulse is a "field service" spun off of of Rasmussen Reports that conducts their well known automated, recorded-voice surveys. It also conducts polls for other clients including, as of today, Fox News. While the questions asked on specific surveys may differ, the underlying methodology used by Fox/Pulse and Rasmussen are essentially identical.

Earlier this year, Rasmussen launched a new website for Pulse that, as he explained to Tim Mak of the Frum Forum, allows anyone to "go to the [Pulse] website, type in their credit card number, and run any poll that they wanted, with any language that they want... In effect, you will be able to do your own poll, and Rasmussen will provide the platform to ensure that the polling includes a representative national sample." According to the Pulse web site, basic election surveys start at $1,500 for a sample of 500 state or local respondents.

Scott Rasmussen confirms, via email, that surveys conducted by Pulse for Fox News and for Rasmussen reports are essentially equivalent in terms of their calling, sampling and weighting procedures:

Pulse Opinion Research does all the field work and processing for Rasmussen Reports polling. They do the same for other clients using the system that I developed over many years. So, in practical terms, polling done by Pulse for any client, including Fox News, will be processed in exactly the same manner. In a Rasmussen Reports poll, Rasmussen Reports provides the questions to Pulse. In a Fox News poll, Fox News provides the questions for their own surveys.

Both will use the same targets for weighting, including weights applied for partisan identification:

The process for selecting Likely Voter targets is based upon partisan trends identified nationally (and reported monthly). In an oversimplified example, if the national trends move one point in favor of the Democrats, the targets for state samples will do the same. As Election Day draws near, the targets are also based upon specific results from all polling done in that state. In competitive states, Pulse can draw upon a large number of interviews to help estimate the partisan mix.

For Election 2010, the net impact is that the samples are typically a few points more favorable to the Republicans than they were in Election 2008. Also, most of the time, the number of unaffiliated voters is a bit lower than in 2008. The samples also show a lower share of minority voters and younger voters.

One positive aspect of the new Fox News/Pulse surveys is that Fox is making demographic cross-tabulations freely available (example here) that Rasmussen Reports keeps behind a subscription wall. And Fox is going a step further, adding weighted sample sizes for each subgroup (something Rasmussen does not currently make available even to subscribers). So if you want to see the demographic composition, you can use the weighted counts to calculate the percentages.

On the other hand, this development may well double the number of polls conducted with the Rasmussen methodology in some races going forward. For example, the Fox/Pulse surveys were conducted on Saturday, September 11 and included samples in Nevada and Ohio. Today, Rasmussen Reports released two additional surveys conducted in Nevada and Ohio on Monday, September 13. Rasmussen, again via email, confirms that his "Rasmussen Reports polling schedule in entirely independent of anything the Fox or Pulse does." He adds:

Our plans were laid out long ago, with the only variable being which races remain the closest as Election Day approaches. For example, we don't expect to poll Connecticut as often as California. But, if the CT race gets closer (as possibly suggested by Quinnipiac), we will poll it more frequently. Same thought process holds true for West Virginia.

As it is, the Rasmussen surveys have already grown far more numerous and dominant so far this election cycle than in 2008. Pollster.com has already tracked 237 Rasmussen Reports surveys on the 2010 elections for U.S. Senate, almost double the number at this point for U.S. Senate races in 2008 (120). While the total number of surveys fielded by all pollsters have also increased, Rasmussen's share of these polls has grown significantly, from 35% of all Senate polls so far to 49%

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Rasmussen is the only pollster active in about a half dozen less competitive contests and has fielded three out of four polls in states that have been only marginally competitive, like Indiana and Delaware.

The growing predominance of Rasmussen's surveys so far this cycle has consequences for all that follow and track polling data, including our efforts to track and chart polls at Pollster and Huffington Post. This is another story that we will focus on in the weeks ahead.

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Earlier today, Fox News released five new polls measuring voter preferences in the Senate races in Florida, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Ohio and California. The Fox News story says the polls are conducted b...
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03:06 AM on 09/16/2010
Rasmussen is pure right wing and that's why Fox loves it.......

Studies in poly sci have shown that undecided people in the middle, usually some of
the least informed of the public, will often simply poll, or vote, for who they think
is most popular......so if the right wing and Fox says candidate Z is, no matter
how nuts or extreme, or how inaccurate it really is, then Z will pick up some
votes.......so do not trust all polls, especially if Fox likes a particular one....
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
11:29 AM on 09/15/2010
In common Ruppert Murdock, Roger Ailes and Republican operatives, that is the common factor in Fox News and Republican propaganda, throw in some wealthy contributers and you have the Republican machine!
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realitybase
11:25 AM on 09/15/2010
Outlaw polls and lobbyists. Maybe scientific exit polling to keep the machines honest...
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
10:31 AM on 09/15/2010
We need less polling. There are too many of them. It's too bafflng to the electorate.
If the money and resources was spent on informing the electorate on the candidates and issues
we'd be a better country.....sadly doesn't look like that will happen.
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dax49
09:52 AM on 09/15/2010
Does anybody with walking around sense not know that rasmussen is strictly a republican tool? I don't give any credibility to anything they say-any right thinking American promptly hangs up the phone when they realize it is a rasmussen poll!
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booker52
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09:15 AM on 09/15/2010
Rasmussen is slanted to the right, you can frame a question to get the answer you want. They do it all the time.
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MED1025
Here to save the day
11:50 AM on 09/15/2010
and Rasmussen is a phone poll that tends to get older retirees w land lines who skew toward the conservative end of the spectrum. Their sample isn't representative of the wider voting public, so their outcomes are worthless.
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Anym
Obama is GoldmanSachs
08:55 AM on 09/15/2010
Wait so Rasmussen spun of a part os it's own company just to do they repeat the results they have so Fox News can have biased polls to brag about?
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jerzygurl
08:38 AM on 09/15/2010
I love the Dems living in denial. Why would you have such disdain for the pollster organization that was the most accurate during the 2008 Presidential Primary? I guess it makes you feel better by looking at polls that are proven less accurate. I guess it keeps the inevitable at bay. Wake up, it’s only short term comfort.
http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%20election.pdf
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undsoweiter
but I know where to look it up
09:03 AM on 09/15/2010
Oh, we're awake all right. You can expect us to swarm to the polls this November, too.
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10:26 AM on 09/15/2010
If these tea baggies were smart they would keep there mouths shut to allow the progressives to think they are wining so they stay home on election day.
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PrometheanSalvation
Bringing fire to cleanse the land.
09:39 AM on 09/15/2010
How funny, a righty grousing about others living in denial.
marilyn 63
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06:35 PM on 09/15/2010
that righty just convinced more of my family to vote DEMOCRAT FOR EVERYTHING!!!! gee thanks right winger good job!!
08:25 AM on 09/15/2010
I stopped taking Rasmussen seriously when he got into bed with fox. I subsequently found out he was a Bush pollster, and that his polling methods favor republicans because they oversample old white people who sit by their phones all day.
10:41 AM on 09/15/2010
and then they ended up being one of the most accurate pollsters for the 2008 election despite their rightwing bias
02:44 PM on 09/15/2010
You just proved my point buddy. You had to point back to two years ago (this is the common republican talking point about rasmussen) which is sad considering they poll way more than anyone else does, by far. If you did your research you would know they changed their method to help the republican party figure out which of their primary candidates would run better in general elections (that turned out a failure, considering a bunch of their candidates are being purged by tea party ones). Their polls are often out of the norm and lean heavily republican, there's charts showing this all over the web. They also often change their method when they get close to election day in key races, to prove they are in line with other pollsters (ppl usually only look at the last polls in a race for obvious reasons) and other races they pull out entirely a week or two before the election so that they don't have to answer for their polls when compared to election results.
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03:09 AM on 09/16/2010
I suspect they delivered one " honest " poll at the end just to try to clean up their ACT !
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MaxHeadroom
My Karma ran over my dogma.
08:02 AM on 09/15/2010
It isn't who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.

Same goes for the "FAUX News" polling scam.
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istvan13
The world needs more thinkers.
07:55 AM on 09/15/2010
Here's a possible unintended consequence of the Rasmussen/Pulse/Fox polls. Since these polls tend to put the Republican's at much higher rates than the Democrats, it can give the lazy Republicans a false sense of security. When the polling numbers are high, these folks will be less likely to make the effort to go vote.
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undsoweiter
but I know where to look it up
09:01 AM on 09/15/2010
Shhhh! Pipe down, they'll hear you.
marilyn 63
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06:38 PM on 09/15/2010
their not that bright!!!!
07:10 AM on 09/15/2010
Fox News is not a news gathering organization but rather a conduit for Rupert Murdocks right wing world view.
Starting from that point anything said on Fox is with out credibilty.
So polls or any "Facts" presented are suspect.
If Eugene Macarthy were alive today he would be a commentator on Fox News.
He would quote these polls and sheets of paper filled with facts as he did then and the vulnerable, the faithfull and the just plain stupid would believe him as they do now.
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Thomas Bullard
09:24 AM on 09/15/2010
I suggest you not try to pass yourself off as an intellectual. That goes for whoever faved you. Eugene? I think you meant Joe. I bet you think Rachel is smart too.
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10:15 AM on 09/15/2010
Typical just typical. Ttighty righties have no credible arguments for this or other post so they find it necessary to attack the person.
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03:12 AM on 09/16/2010
actually she IS !......she went to highly respected, tough to get into schools, and unlike Phony Palin even graduated !......

Oh I am a bit ticked at her lack of in dept reporting on the Israeli attack on ships in international waters, but otherwise she and staff do an outstanding job.....as well as the Ed Show and Chris Matthews the last few years.....and Keith Ob. if he can keep his long winded speeches to a minimum......maybe he's watched too much nasty Fox to keep up with them and has caught some kind of bug....
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rgilley
Question Authority!
06:51 AM on 09/15/2010
Rassmussen/Pulse/Fox anyone seeing a pattern here? These polls that claim Corporate Republicans are going to have a field day in November are run by Corporate Republicans!
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ThatBKChick
02:30 AM on 09/15/2010
AHHH....the good ol recorded-voice surveys. Look, exit pols in 2008 showed that 18-34 year olds soley rely on their cellphones, which is the largest age demographic of the 2008 elections. I hold no faith in antiquated recorded-voice surveys/polls now days.
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LiberalDemIda
You can't spell "Conservative" without Con.
02:51 AM on 09/15/2010
No one with more than half a brain has faith in outdated polling methods, but good ol' corporate media, chomping at the bit for more repub control in government, has full, 110% faith in it since, well, it always favors them, and makes them look good.
03:59 AM on 09/15/2010
YOU SAID IT Best!
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mootown
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
07:41 AM on 09/15/2010
Bingo--every day the corporate media is rah, rahing the republiklans. Every newscast I hear even on the Progressive radio I listen to (CNN is the culprit there) has LONG, negative response by GNOP to everything the Dems or President Obama is doing. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so scary.
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mootown
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
07:51 AM on 09/15/2010
I am concerned, though, that this age group isn't tuned into the importance of this election. At those ages certain "truths" have not sunk in yet--that elections DO matter, all the time. That retirement and jobs, and what can mess them up and what can pull the rug out from under them,that sickness can be a real economic killer, in more ways than one, are not ephemeral concepts that happen to others, but can hit them hard. Maybe it hasn't sunk in that the Republiklans and their hollow, bankrupt policies can make all of this worse--much worse. Why we shouldn't let them anywhere near the levers of government. Bad enough they are squatting in business.
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02:14 AM on 09/15/2010
Translation: The Rasmussen brand name has been trashed by their obvious and relentless conservative bias - witness their ridiculous predictions in the 2008 Presidential race. So They'll invent a new brand, peddle the same flawed results, and when that becomes damaged, maybe next they'll call themselves Xe Research.
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LiberalDemIda
You can't spell "Conservative" without Con.
02:59 AM on 09/15/2010
It's the same strategy used in corporate shielding. When the mother corp is under attack, she produces subsidiaries and divisions with different names in order to hide assets - and liabilities. Rasmussen's liability is their credibility in polling. Their credibility, or lack of it, is lost profits.

In swoops Fox Propaganda Channel to the rescue!

So, are the tr0llz here still under the false assumption that Rasmussen is a reliable pollster? Seriously?
marilyn 63
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11:33 PM on 09/15/2010
i really wonder about these polls i never no anyone who has been called by them it seems the pollsters are taking them every five minutes since Obama got in with a huge number. and the republicans were all but gone for leaving the country trashed!!. then all of a sudden the press starts reporting their (republicans) poll numbers are better then democrats even though they have been stopping any progress from happenin cleaning up the republicans mess. and the democrats are screamed at for not doing enough!! like they caused it. while the republicans say .NO TO UNEMPLOYMENT. NO TO SMALL BUSINESS LOANS. no to every thing that helps the middle class and the poor function. but HELL YES!! for big oil !!wall street!! Koch brothers!! or Bush tax cuts.
04:04 AM on 09/15/2010
The 2008 Presidential race is what finally destroy Rasmussen credibility. IT is a pile of right wing garbage. Just check their polling data for the 2010 primary results.