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In U.K., Pope Denounces 'Increasing Marginalization Of Religion'

First Posted: 09/17/10 10:42 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:40 PM ET

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By Francis X. Rocca
Religion News Service

LONDON (RNS) Seemingly unfazed by months of protests from secularist critics, Pope Benedict XVI deployed unusually forceful language on Friday (Sept. 17) to defend the "legitimate role of religion" in public life.

Benedict, on the second day of his four-day visit, seemed to be taking cues from the general temperament of his British hosts: polite and gracious but nonetheless firm and to the point.

Addressing parliamentarians and other dignitaries at the Palace of Westminster, Benedict denounced the "increasing marginalization of religion, particularly of Christianity" that is afflicting Britain and other liberal Western societies.

"There are those who argue that the public celebration of festivals such as Christmas should be discouraged, in the questionable belief that it might somehow offend those of other religions or none," the pope said.

Benedict insisted, however, that religion has played a vital role in public discourse, as a "corrective" to "social evils" such as slavery and the "totalitarian ideologies of the 20th century."

Benedict noted that he was speaking in the same building where a court had condemned Thomas More because he "followed his conscience, even at the cost of displeasing the sovereign" and "chose to serve God first."

More, the former chancellor of King Henry VIII, was condemned to death for treason in 1535 for opposing the king's decision to seize leadership of the Church of England and repudiate the authority of the pope.

With prominent business figures seated before him, Benedict also drew a biting contrast between recent international bailouts for the banking industry and what he suggested what was the relative indifference to the plight of the world's poor.

"Where human lives are concerned, time is always short: yet the world has witnessed the vast resources that governments can draw upon to rescue financial institutions deemed 'too big to fail'," the pope said. "Surely the integral human development of the world's peoples is no less important: here is an enterprise ... that is truly 'too big to fail."'

The pope's direct tone extended to his encounters with other religious leaders. In a speech to non-Christian dignitaries earlier in the day, he pressed the need in "some parts of the world" for greater "freedom to follow one's conscience without suffering ostracism or persecution, even after conversion from one religion to another."

Without going into detail, Benedict's words seemed an unmistakable reference to a number of Islamic countries, such as Saudi Arabia, where Catholic leaders have long demanded greater freedom to worship legally and safely.

Benedict's busy agenda for Friday, when he delivered a total of six speeches, included two encounters with Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, leader of the worldwide Anglican Communion.

Relations between the two churches have been strained since the Vatican announced plans last year to welcome Anglican converts, allowing them to retain a collective identity by retaining many traditional prayers and hymns in specially designed Catholic dioceses.

During their meeting in Williams' official residence, Lambeth Palace, Benedict acknowledged only generally what he called the "difficulties" between Canterbury and Rome, emphasizing instead their "deep friendship."

Later in the day, Benedict and Williams jointly led an ecumenical prayer service in Westminster Abbey, the traditional site of coronations and funerals for British monarchs.

Benedict urged his fellow Christian leaders to be uncompromising in their evangelization, "free of intellectual conformism or facile accommodation to the spirit of the age."

The first pope to visit the Abbey--and only the second to visit Britain in modern times--Benedict asserted the ancient papal claim, rejected by Protestants, to leadership of all Christians, invoking the mantle of "the bishop of Rome and the successor of St. Peter, charged with a particular care for the unity of Christ's flock."

Outside the Abbey, Benedict's appearance was protested by several hundred members of the Protestant Truth Society, some holding signs reading "The Pope is the Anti-Christ."

The mostly friendly crowd, which cheered Benedict when he arrived in his "popemobile," included protesters with signs denouncing the sex abuse of children by Catholic priests.

Protests of Benedict's visit have been small so far, but a coalition of secularist groups has planned a demonstration for Saturday afternoon.

The biggest distraction on Friday was the arrest of six men, identified as Algerians working as street sweepers, who were being held by Scotland Yard on charges of plotting against the pope. Spokesman for the Vatican and the British government insisted that the pope had never been in any danger.

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By Francis X. Rocca Religion News Service LONDON (RNS) Seemingly unfazed by months of protests from secularist critics, Pope Benedict XVI deployed unusually forceful language on Friday (Sept. 17) to ...
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06:43 AM on 09/22/2010
From a reluctant media type commenting on an advertising/media blog saying that he thought the Pope's tour of Britain was a success:
http://blog.creamglobal.com/right_brain_left_brain/2010/09/pope-benedict-plays-a-blinder-for-brand-catholic.html
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08:08 PM on 09/20/2010
And I would sing the praises of the marginalization of religion. The beliefs of all religions are useless. Their values are useful. But one can (and should) have those values even without religion and thus be better off than having to deal with the baggage and garbage of the beliefs.
05:01 PM on 09/20/2010
The Vatican has gold door knobs ................wow how do you know?

I would like to congratulate the Uk for showing respect to a visitor invited by thier government to visit the country.

I thought that Mr Dawkins was going to arrest the Pope . What happened?

I watched the thousands of people who deomonstarted against the Pope and all I can say is .... what a classless lot!!!
07:14 PM on 09/20/2010
Not only that but the dedicaton and enthusiasm of those detractors wasn't even that high or they lacked stamina. The BBC reported that they started to drift away at around 5:45 PM on Saturday before the Hyde Park vigil.
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01:27 PM on 09/20/2010
Dear Pope Benny: In response to your comments above....

1. Your bible actually endorses slavery
2. Your objection to those "totalitarian" governments was strictly that they undermined your authority, and therefore your wealth and influence.
3. You think lecturing people about the plight of the poor and bailouts is smart coming from a man who lives in a palatial estate with monumental wealth which was donated by your sheep under the assumption it would help the poor?
4. As far as I'm personally concerned, you're your own worst enemy when it comes to losing followers.

Thanks and pax vobiscum
01:26 PM on 09/20/2010
After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands. -- Friedrich Nietzsche .
11:38 PM on 10/09/2010
And yet you seem to have such a deep connection to 茶道 that couldn't be understood by mere mortals (not even ones who hold advanced degrees in Japanese literature, no less)...
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01:03 PM on 09/20/2010
I relish the day when mankind finally wakes up and gets rid of this mystical mumbo jumbo known as religion. All that religion does is control and breed hate. ALL the good things religion does can be done by being nice kind and generous to each other. And most atheists do this now without a false doctrine.!!!!!!!!!!
11:31 AM on 09/20/2010
"Benedict denounced 'the increasing marginalization of religion,' in particular Christianity."

Hey, you reap what you sow. As a gay man, you not only marginalized me as a human being, you demonized me. You and your fellow Christian sects organized and funded campaigns to deny me my human rights. You taught me how to hate. I left the Catholic Church in order to salvage my dignity and self respect as a human being. Today, organized religion and the Catholic Church, are totally irrelevant to me. I will never fall victim to your fraud . . . ever again.
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08:11 PM on 09/20/2010
Thank you for this post.
10:23 AM on 09/20/2010
"relative indifference to the plight of the world's poor."

Coming from a man who only wears custom made Prada shoes.

The book "the Devil Wears Prada" always comes to mind.
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PWM
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10:41 AM on 09/20/2010
He should put a sign next to every work of art in the Vatican showing how many starving poor children could be fed if that work of art was sold.
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01:12 PM on 09/20/2010
Not to mention how may poor people could be fed from one of the Vatican's gold-plated doorknobs.
03:09 PM on 09/20/2010
The Catholic Church is the biggest welfare organization in the world.
10:20 AM on 09/20/2010
All the religiously pre-occupied ed complain about the same thing-- Pope, Imam Rauf, Protestant ministers etc.
Whereas the reality is quite different-- the world  has benefited greatly from reduced religiosity and reach of religious leaders into out lives. But even now, we, secularists have to  stay  vigilant  to defend our cultural, educational  and  political  institutions from their  rapacious grasp,
Paulo1
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09:58 AM on 09/20/2010
defend the "legitimate role of religion" in public life.

OK, I'm good with that. Now defend what YOU do in public life Mr. Pope. You can start with defending your legitimate cover up for abusive Priests and then move on to your fight against condom usage that promotes unsafe sex. From there there is a nice long list of other items but that will do for a start.
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timm553
In vino veritas
09:35 AM on 09/20/2010
A quote from one of my favorite atheists:

"Only after the triumph of the Atheistic philosophy in the minds and hearts of man will freedom and beauty be realized. Beauty as a gift from heaven has proved useless. It will, however, become the essence and impetus of life when man learns to see in the earth the only heaven fit for man. Atheism is already helping to free man from his dependence upon punishment and reward as the heavenly bargain-counter for the poor in spirit."
~ Emma Goldman

And therein lies, in my opinion, the future of humanity. Not in looking back, to the superstitious explanations that were heralded in the past, but looking to the future, laden with truth and enlightenment.
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In vino veritas
09:23 AM on 09/20/2010
As people become more enlightened and are, in greater and greater numbers, casting off the ancient ideas that are inherent in most religions, the church is struggling to find new ways to maintain their grip on those who provide them with their power; power through monetary considerations. They know that the scare tactics that have chained many to their cause are losing effectiveness and that people are, more and more, turning away from theism (the theory of speculation), and moving toward atheism (the science of demonstration), and not a moment too soon.
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09:12 AM on 09/20/2010
The main question is not whether religion has a part to play in society. The question that intrigues me is "is the Pope a Christian?"
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06:36 AM on 09/20/2010
Notice how Benny characterizes slavery and 20th century totalitarian regimes as "social evils" as opposed to moral evils. He thus avoids a tie in with papal infallibility and the possibility of papal error.To many, this would appear to be a difference without a distinction but to those familiar with Vatican-speak it is not. To put it simply, the pope speaks infallibly only on matters of faith and morals. Thus, when the pope speaks out on matters of faith and morals, he is incapable of error. To admit now that slavery and totalitarianism were moral issues would admit of the fact that the pope was in error by either omission or commission on both of these matters. But when it comes to social issues, the church being nothing but a sum of its parts is only human and capable of error. Thus, the morality of a position on many issues is not subject to the same degree of scrutiny.. .
05:06 AM on 09/20/2010
"There are those who argue that the public celebration of festivals such as Christmas should be discouraged, in the questionable belief that it might somehow offend those of other religions or none," the pope said."

I have never heard anyone say Christmas should be discouraged . . . I think the pope was thinking about Oliver Cromwell . . . but one thing the pope should recognise is that what became Christmas was/is a pagan holiday . . . celebrated all over the world for the Romans it was the Saturnalia . . . . with gift giving for other countries it was/is the celebration of the winter solstice . . . dah
05:45 AM on 09/20/2010
And your point being? The "copyright" on that festival by the pagans has long expired. Since then it has been co-opted and chosen as the day to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Maybe the pagans can grumble but I'm sure they are glad that they have the days off during that season to celebrate as well.
08:24 AM on 09/20/2010
True, it used to be a pagan festival. Just like each and every other Christian holiday.
Back in the days they had to use the old sacred dates and places to make it easier for e.g. the Germanic tribes to become Christians.

What I find more disturbing is the fact, that Christmas has again been taken over. This time by all the people who want to sell their junk to us - the buying public.

It has been commercialized. What used to be Jesus' birthday party - I know I know, we don't really know, when he was born - now is the day, when fat Coca-Cola Santa squeezes himself thru our chimneys to bring our children, what they don't need.
09:46 AM on 09/20/2010
my point is that Christmas was created by the Christians . . .like most religious holidays to gain converts . . . Christ was supposedly born in the summer . . . no one is complaining about having time off work in the winter . . . the celebration for christians only began in about the 4th century