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Todd Stern: U.N. Climate Talks "Going Backward" As Big Powers Meet For Major Economies Forum

CHARLES J. HANLEY   09/21/10 04:39 PM ET   AP

Todd Stern

NEW YORK — In two days of talks, major economic powers discussed ways to move ahead in slowing and coping with climate change, but no one sees a grand global deal anywhere on the horizon, a lead U.S. negotiator said Tuesday.

"This was a very constructive meeting," special climate envoy Todd Stern said of the 17-nation session. But "no one is expecting or anticipating in any way a legal treaty to be done at Cancun this year."

The Mexican resort will host the annual U.N. climate conference Nov. 29-Dec. 10, when delegates from some 190 nations will renew the flagging effort to negotiate a legally binding agreement on reducing emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases blamed for global warming.

Last December's conference in Denmark failed to produce more than a nonbinding "Copenhagen Accord," under which at least 85 nations thus far have said they will take action to rein in emissions.

But researchers say the emission reductions envisioned in those pledges fall far short of what's needed to keep the atmosphere from warming dangerously through this century, leading to shifts in climate, worsening droughts and floods, rising seas and other damage.

The negotiations were dealt another blow in July when the U.S. Senate failed to approve legislation to cap U.S. emissions.

Replying to a reporter's question Tuesday, the State Department's Stern said the broader U.N. talks, in their quarterly sessions, have been "going backward" this year.

As the negotiations sputter along, the world grows warmer. The January-August period this year was the warmest globally in 131 years of record keeping, NASA reports.

The New York talks were the ninth round of the Major Economies Forum, established by U.S. President Barack Obama last year as a parallel track to the U.N. process. The dialogue involves the rich industrial nations of the "north," as well as big developing countries, such as China, India and Brazil.

Connie Hedegaard, the European Union's climate chief, said the latest round demonstrated "a constructive spirit" and "a basic understanding of what could be elements of a package" of decisions at Cancun.

Those nonbinding decisions would involve backing programs, for example, to protect climate-friendly forests, aid poorer countries to adapt to climate change and provide them with clean-energy technology.

Some needy nations and environmentalists complain richer nations are already coming up short on "fast start" financial aid promised in the Copenhagen Accord for climate adaptation – $30 billion over three years.

Stern acknowledged that developing nations expressed some "intense feelings" on the subject in the talks Monday and Tuesday.

Despite the Senate setback, Stern said, the Obama administration remains committed to its pledge under the Copenhagen Accord to reduce U.S. emissions by 17 percent below 2005 levels by 2020, through executive fiat and continuing to push for the legislation.

The U.N. talks are meant to produce a replacement for the Kyoto Protocol, whose relatively modest emissions reductions expire in 2012. The U.S. is the only industrial nation not to have ratified the Kyoto pact.

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vampbella09
11:59 AM on 09/23/2010
Well gang, it's been fun.
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Matthew Harrold
Huzzah!
02:18 PM on 09/23/2010
And now the end is near, its time to face the final curtain...
11:16 AM on 09/23/2010
Nothing will get done on climate change until we DETHRONE the fossil fuel corporations that control our government through bribery and threats.  We must DETHRONE these corporations.  Our survival depends on it.
09:19 AM on 09/23/2010
"...As the Negotiations sputter along, the world grows warmer...."

(A). Nobody cares about climate--only 14 comments so far.

(B). More "HOT AIR" talk to add to global warming gasses in the atmosphere.
(add hotair to increased CO2 and methane to the heat trapping gas mix)

Earth temperature for certain will continue to rise. Even if measures are taken today to reduce heat trapping gasses into the atmosphere, the already high CO2 levels will continue to remain present--for 100's of years. Global warming-climate change is a runaway freight train. Whooo Whooo!!
11:29 AM on 09/23/2010
Why so pessimistic? From what I've read, you are correct that current CO2 will have an unstoppable warming affect for a long time. However, if we do nothing this will only grow worse and a bad problem will turn into a tragic one. Therefore, it is still critical that we do something immediately.
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
07:47 AM on 09/23/2010
The tax & dividend plan looks best to me. Tax everyone according to the carbon usage, then instead of the government keeping the money, it is returned to everyone in equal shares as a dividend.

The wingers love to complain about Al Gore flying on jets. Under this plan, Al would pay a tax for that, and everyone, including the wingers, would get a share of that back.

This provides a strong incentive to reduce carbon emissions, while avoiding having the money flow directly to Goldman Sachs. The tax is revenue neutral, but overall we will save money as we get more efficient at using energy and reduce imported oil use.
03:41 PM on 09/26/2010
Unless you are receiving earned income tax credits, when have you ever received any "dividends" back from government? A tax and dividend plan is completely idealistic. You'll never see the full value of your tax "investment." Think social security, etc. Taxes are never revenue nuetral, because life is not a zero-sum game.
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dragonmaster
06:59 AM on 09/23/2010
There will be no energy legislation for at least 10 years- and that legislation will probably be tied to international efforts. Reductions if they can be verified without cheating- will reduce some CO2 by perhaps 30-50% by 2050.

This however will still allow a 3-4 degree C rise in global temperatures by century's end- with a C02 level around 550-600ppm.

This is better however then seeing a 5-6 degree C rise which could destroy human civilization.

3 degrees will still be very dangerous in itself- and produce a vastly different planet then today in a short time- emissions will need to be reduced by 70% to see a 2 degree C rise.

The future looks very dicey for the children of today-
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rougebaisers
06:28 AM on 09/23/2010
The bugs will inherit this planet, bugs and bacteria. Most humans deserve to be rendered extinct.
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10:57 AM on 09/23/2010
You mean those pesky humans that don`t do exactly as you think they should? Be careful what you wish for my friend.If we decide by your rules a lot of folks standing first in libne will be the climate change experts that don`t seem to do as you say.
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06:04 AM on 09/23/2010
Well that's it everyone, game over. Looks like politicians don't feel that human survival is important enough to bother with.
Good luck to everyone!
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04:44 AM on 09/23/2010
I see so far two trends: First, the number of humans trying to eke out a living on this planet continues to explode. Second, the consequences to the biosphere of nearly 7 billion humans trying to find enough resources to live on, while polluting the air, ground, and water, continue to be frightening.

It remains to be seen whether humanity will be the cause of its own demise.
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GuiltD
09:02 PM on 09/22/2010
Are they trying to set up carbon taxes? Because if they are, we are really screwed. Just read a New York Times article that the UN set up of carbon taxes is a total fraud that will empower the IMF and central banks even more, while pillaging poorer nations with green credits that will end up making them even more poor. Sounds like evil bankers are at it again.
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06:06 AM on 09/23/2010
People like you are the reason the human race will not survive. Deniers have ceased to be entertaining and now I just hope you are all the first to go.
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06:09 AM on 09/23/2010
If you were just complaining about cap and trade, I'd agree with you. Carbon taxes though are totally necessary. Higher fossil fuel costs are our main hope to get a renewable boom.
05:49 PM on 09/22/2010
"Replying to a reporter's question Tuesday, the State Department's Stern said the broader U.N. talks, in their quarterly sessions, have been "going backward" this year."

As is interest in politico-science by the 4 comments so far
05:23 PM on 09/22/2010
The US Senate will never approve a global resolution on climate change as long as it includes unrestrained taxation by the UN, $billions in wealth distribution to third world dictators with little controls and commitment to a level of CO2 reduction that may very well be impossible to achieve.
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04:13 PM on 09/22/2010
Time to consider a new strategy that can open a workable political path to attacking Global Warming!

The game changer is a little recognized potential impact of rising solar flare activity, as the sunspot cycle moves towards a projected peak in 2013.

A huge solar flare missed earth earlier this month. If one hits the geomagnetic field surrounding the earth, according to NASA, 130 million Americans live in areas that may lose power for protracted periods of time - at a cost the first year of between $1 trillion and $2 trillion.

Similar to the cost to date of both wars!

See: http://www.aesopinstitute.org

The strategy outlined there reflects a way to pursue cheap green power.

Due to the solar flare emergency it can be done and will have enormous positive impact. We can open a new door to broadly supported political action to minimize the damage from a possible solar storm.

It will be clear we should encourage development of decentralized cheap green energy to reduce the dangerous dependence on the power grid.

This approach will neutralize political opposition and challenge ineffective leadership in the energy field.

It also opens the door to a less military foreign policy, as it allows us to start to truly supersede oil dependency.

Since grid failure may happen all across the planet, it points to a program to decentralize energy production in the industrialized world.

That can create opportunities in the developing nations and will inherently tend to completely change the ballgame!
UkrainianPrince
history buff
12:50 PM on 09/22/2010
correction: "led by the brain dead USA"
UkrainianPrince
history buff
12:48 PM on 09/22/2010
Great, Sarah Palin passes gas and we'd get 3000+ comments. Climate change-end of civilization as we know it... NOTHING. That's why I am preparing for the economic and climatic end-result engendered at the sun & swim 10-day holiday in Cancun at the annual U.N. climate conference Nov. 29-Dec. 10, Shows me how those 190 countries (lead the the brain dead USA) are taking this "climate change thing" serious. They should be meeting in Detroit or Cleveland or in a polluted city in China, India or some other smog & cinder polluted area.
This a problem to big for the likes of mankind to handle.... it takes international cooperation over a long period of time and will cause hardship and pain (and costly in cash and life style for US citizens) which mankind is not willing to take on. But at 64, I am an age-optimist... I'll be dead before the worse of golbal climate change takes place.
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06:07 AM on 09/23/2010
It wouldn't matter where they met -- they are close enough to the BP disaster to have that motivate them and even that doesn't make a dent.

Politicians should no longer be running the world, THAT is the problem.