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Democrats Look To Punt On Tax Cut Debate [UPDATE]

First Posted: 09/23/10 11:40 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:50 PM ET

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Senate Democrats are looking to punt the tax-cut debate past the November elections, facing pushback from Democrats facing re-election in 2010 who worry about getting tagged with raising taxes on small businesses, senior Democratic aides say. The party gathered Thursday afternoon for a caucus-wide meeting to set the pre-election agenda.

Democrats emerged from the meeting mostly mum about what final decision had been reached, though Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said it was "generally accepted" that no vote would be taken before the election.

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the number two Democrat, added that "the likelihood of our passing anything by way of tax extensions is very, very slim." Like many of his colleagues, however, he said no final decision was reached. "Harry will make the final decision," Durbin said.

The White House has been pushing hard for such a vote, circulating polling showing that a majority of Americans, including wide margins of independents, support extending the middle-class tax cuts. Ultimately, though, Democrats up for election feared an assault from the GOP that the party was raising taxes on "small businesses," even though a vanishingly small portion of those who would face a tax hike are real small businesses. But, in an age of 30-second commercials, it only takes one to stare into the camera and lament the effect of the tax change on hiring.

Two members of Democratic leadership -- Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) -- are facing tight races, as are Sens. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.), Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) and Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.).

Two Democratic aides said that Feingold has been arguing behind the scenes that the vote should not be held before the election, but a Feingold aide denied that charge, saying that his boss isn't afraid of the vote. "Senator Feingold has informed Majority Leader Reid directly that he would prefer to vote on extending the expiring tax cuts before the elections and that he is ready and willing to vote whenever leadership decides to have that vote," he said. "Senator Feingold has made his position clear - he supports extending the middle class tax cuts and he thinks we should find a way to pay for them. But he opposes extending tax cuts just for the wealthiest Americans, which would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit and do little to help the economy."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said that, politically, now is the wrong time for a vote on taxes -- not because of the substance, but because of the potential for the GOP to "mischaracterize" the vote. "I actually believe that a vote on taxes right before the election is - and I'm not up [for re-election] - because the message can be manipulated and it's such a hot-button issue, that even, let's say a hypothetical bill, something everybody agreed with, somebody would find a way to micharacterize it. I think with taxes, particularly in this economy, candidates should commit [to voting a certain way] and that's fair, but I think to pass it before the election is a mistake," she told reporters on her way into the caucus meeting.

Sen. Blanche Lincoln, up for re-election in Arkansas, walked quickly past reporters on her way into the gathering. Asked if the tax-cut vote should be held before the election, she put her hands out and shrugged, then stopped and added: "Gotta do 'em sometime."

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), also up for re-election, said that she was in favor of voting on extending the middle-class tax cuts before the election, but was willing to extend tax breaks for the wealthy for two years as part of a compromise.

"It's a divided caucus," said Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), who is retiring after this term.

"We're having a hard time making decisions on anything right now, don't you notice?" Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) told reporters after the meeting.

Different Democrats, said Durbin, recommended "different approaches. People have different feelings about this." Durbin said that the inability to get to the tax debate was part of a larger problem Democrats faced with GOP obstruction. "I mean, look at what we're up against now. We can't bring a bipartisan food safety bill to the floor. We can't bring a bill to the floor related to shipping jobs overseas. And we know the reality here: We are so tightly wound up in this campaign that it's impossible to see a bipartisan answer to the challenge we face. That's the reality -- before the election."

Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) said that he didn't support extending the tax cuts due to deficit concerns, but hadn't taken an active part in the political discussion. "I think both parties like the politics of it and they're scared of the politics of it," leading to the atrophy on display, he said.

Sen. Jon Kyl, the Republican minority whip from Arizona, said that he wanted to see a vote. "I think it would be good for the American people to see where people stand on them, myself. And you know my position, which is that we shouldn't raise taxes on anybody," Kyl told HuffPost.

Democrats, instead of focusing on tax cuts, said the aides, will address legislation to limit corporate spending in the election process, expand job creation and close loopholes for companies that ship jobs offshore. The party quickly made good on the aides' prediction, moving to break a GOP filibuster of campaign finance reform -- the DISCLOSE Act -- after the meeting Thursday. The effort fell one vote vote short of the 60 needed, failing 59-39.

The Democratic decision to dodge the tax debate was foreseeable. Indeed, on September 8th, when the Senate had yet to return from the summer break, HuffPost Hill predicted: "SPOILER ALERT: This tax cut stuff will not be dealt with before the election, unless 'dealt with' is understood as a few weeks of bickering before it's punted."

UPDATE - 6:10 p.m.: Reid spokesman Jim Manley released a statement confirming that the vote will take place after the election. "Democrats believe we must permanently extend tax cuts for the middle-class before they expire at the end of the year, and we will. Unfortunately, to this point we have received no cooperation from Republicans to do so. Democrats will not allow families in Nevada and across the country to suffer or be held hostage by Republicans who would rather give tax giveaways to millionaires and corporations that ship jobs overseas. We will come back in November and stay in session as long as it takes to get this done," he said.

UPDATE - 9:10 p.m.: McConnell spokesman Don Stewart said in a statement: "Sen. McConnell introduced the Tax Hike Prevention Act which, as its name implies, ensures that nobody gets an income tax hike. We hope Democrats -- who have yet to actually introduce tax legislation to prevent tax hikes -- won’t hold it hostage to their burning desire to raise taxes on small businesses and families in the middle of a recession."

This story has been updated to include interviews before and after Thursday's Democratic caucus meeting. Lucia Graves contributed reporting.

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Parylinedummy 02:47 PM on 09/23/2010
Part II...a little technical problem, Sorry.


You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to in-vade and ham-mer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Is-lam, Scientology, Humanism,  Read More...
09:46 AM on 09/25/2010
We need a place named Manipulated by the Media. Print the true statement backed with facts, then show how it has been manipulated by the media.
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
01:48 AM on 09/25/2010
TO Defeat a depression or resession there are 2 "coins" to spend , the Democrates call for the spending of Money ,Cash, to rebuild this nation and to make up for lack of spending on the infastructure left to rot by the republican desire not to increase or collect taxes! The Republicans are willing to spend Human lives, (the other coin) , wars create jobs , jobs that only last while you are at war! Also wars create casualties, widows, and veterens! Mean while you have no Cash so you cut back on spending , already Republican congress men are submiting earmarks ,asking for reseach into the feasibility of privatizing : Medicare ,social Security, veterans bennies,Health insurance,Prisons and Medicade!  For sure more americans will die, A person asked what differance would privatizing the Va or social security would have ? OVERHEAD! Goverment agencies have less than 14% of the over head of a buisness ,of the same size! SoGolemaximus admitt it you is checkmated by a pair of Poor elitists!
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ClintH
03:37 PM on 09/24/2010
Dems need to grow some brass ones for once. Let the tax cuts expire and immediately come back with one for the middle class. Force the GOP to vote NO on the middle class before the election!!!!
01:04 PM on 09/24/2010
I wish someone....anyone, within the Democratic Party had a set of BALLS!!!!!!!!!!

It would be so easy to frame this issue as the Republicans being against taxcuts that would help those who really need it.

But once again, SPINELESS Harry steps to the for front and proves once again that he nothing mopre then a COWARD!!!!!
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
01:15 PM on 09/24/2010
I know. Took 30 years to break everything. They didn't fix it in two. Missed opportunites. Such a pi**er.
11:49 AM on 09/24/2010
Dems scared now ther's something new!
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
12:12 PM on 09/24/2010
Not so scared as you might think, or the corporate media din would have everyone believing, out here.

Weak leaders who don't make progress fast enough IS a problem. However, weak bullies who only find their courage boosted by the tugging of their corporate tethers, and ones who promise, with no shame or feeling or remorse, to serve up our wallets to their greedy corporate masters should they take control once more, is the biggest problem of all.

Show me a soldier who feels enthusiastic about waging war, and I'll show you a sociopath. If all you measure is some "enthusiasm gap", it will always look bleak for any army going into battle. For most people are not sociopaths.

However, if you instead find a way to measure resolve, even in the face of hating what is about to happen, you may have a completely different metric.

Yes, we acknowledge this "culture war" declared by the enemies of democracy, the supporters of corporate rule. Yes, we acknowledge we don't often get to easily change our leaders once the war has been engaged, and that they may lose a few battles along the way.

But I know that I, for one, through gritted teeth, am very, very determined to not hand control back to the enemies of democracy, the agents of intolerance, and those who would all have us ground to dust in the corporate mills represented by the Republican Tea Party.

Enthusiasm gap? Absolutely. Resolve? No doubt.
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DCmykl
A long seemingly endless edge
11:26 AM on 09/24/2010
Look at the bright side of the 2010 elections.

A Republican/Tea Bagger win in 2010 will give them two years to really screw show their colors. By the 2012 elections the economy will be in shambles again. Unemployment will probably be through the roof. Home foreclosures will be commonplace on almost every block. The people will sick of the war in Afghanistan. In other words, when many more seats in the House and Senate come up for vote than are this year it will be the Republicans and Baggers who will be on the defensive. That's not a bad situation to have.
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
12:38 PM on 09/24/2010
Nose? Face? Meet Knife.

There are better ways to go than killing the little forward movement that has been made in the face of the original destruction.

Stop further destruction.

Slow, inefficient, less effective progress -- is still progress. The real problem here is we started this little act of self defence by sending in an army that was too small for the task.

The enemies of democracy have successfully turned standard democracy on its head in the Senate by making today's 60 replace yesterday's 51 majority. THAT is why we have the slow, ineffective rebuilding of the Right's destruction, NOT that the leaders of that slim (yesterday's) majority haven't adapted to today's anti-democracy well enough.

The last two elections were only the opening battles to restore our country to its majority-rules base, not the final battle. By my count we are two battles in, and no telling how many lay ahead.

Do you want Soc. Sec., Medicare and the VA privatized?

That's what the Republican Tea Party promises to do after all.

And, after that is a done deal and we have another bite at the apple in maybe another 10-20 years and fail to undo it all next time in 2-3 years...what?

Let them wreck some more (assuming there's anything left by then) so we can say, "See? Take that you people who only move forward slowly!"
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keraz
Is it 2012 yet?
02:56 PM on 09/24/2010
Well, I'm pretty tired of seeing the left call us names. It gets old but what have they got left? They sure can't run on their record, can they?

The economy is STILL in shambles, unemployment is at 9.6% and home foreclosures are going through the roof (there is some disagreement on the process used). The people are sick of the wars right now.

I'm not sure if you are actually observing what's going on out there but your post just described the events of today. If we keep on our present course, this is all we will see.
Eppur Si
One of the majority who are not part of the "99%"
11:51 AM on 09/25/2010
If today's economy happened under a Republican President, all these folks lauding the "progress" that Obama has made would be screaming that it is the worst economy in history. Unemployment is higher than it ever was at any time under Bush. The deficit is larger than it ever was at any time under Bush. We are worse off than we ever were at any time under Bush. It all happened under Obama, but somehow it is all Bush's fault. You gotta love the logic.
10:58 AM on 09/24/2010
In contrast, America began with a very different ancient Greek idea of an autonomous citizen, not an indentured serf or subsistence peasant. The small, independent landowner -- if left to his own talents and if his success was protected by, and FROM, government -- would create new sources of wealth for everyone. The resulting greater bounty for the poor soon trumped their old jealousy of the better off. This train of thought has resulted in the greatest society in the history of the earth where even the poorest among us live better than 95% of the rest of the world.
The statist left seeks to undo all of the gains we have made in the last 200+ years and return to virtual slavery. Ignoring human nature and history, they are the dictionary definition of "well intended evil" and "suicidal collectivism".
11:08 AM on 09/24/2010
I guess they scrubbed part 1 of this post..........too bad.
11:23 AM on 09/24/2010
Wow...I guess they did let it in...thanks Huffpost!
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
11:21 AM on 09/24/2010
Supply-side thinking has held sway in this country for 30 years now, seeing its pinnacle of expression during the prior 10 years. The "feed the rich and all will get more food" mantra is in full flower.

And what is the current state of the economy?

What is the current state of the middle class (assuming you can actually locate one)?

Speaking wealth redistribution, have you looked at the trendlines of the past 20 years?

Before this little supply-side revolution, top corporate earners' income was 40x that of the common worker. Today it is 500x. For every dollar earned by a secretary, the CEO gets 500.

Before this epoch, this era of ending democracy in favor of corporate rule, there was this president who pushed tax rates on the top 1% earners in this country as high as 91%. From that, this country saw the single greatest growth in the middle class since its founding. From that came the interstate highway and electrical infrastructure it took a half of century of neglect (promoted by this revolution of wealth redistribution upward) that we now see crumbling around us.

That president? Republican war hero Dwight Eisenhouer.

Under Ike, the rich stayed rich.

But it is never enough for their greed. There was too much money flowing into the pockets of the vast majority. And the suicidal collectivism brought to us (and Germany and Japan) by this Republican war hero can't be tolerated in the crosshairs of greed controlling today's Right.
11:25 AM on 09/24/2010
Supply side thinking built this country......it wasn't until the ever expanding role of government intrusion took over that we even had a federal income tax.
10:56 AM on 09/24/2010
The problem with "left wing statist redistributionalists", "progressives", "liberals", "socialists",
"Marxists", "communists" or whatever they are calling themselves these days....is that they hinge their personal philosophies on the theoretical rantings of the same 19th century scholars like Marx, Nietzsche, Gant, Sorrel and many others that have laid the foundation for the train of thought that resulted in the mass murdering regimes of Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Mao and Kim Jong Ill. (Hitler....yes I said it....a failure to grasp the fact that he was a man of the left is steeped in utter ignorance and blatant disregard of historical fact). They believe that the annointed acedemic elite should rule over the bourgeoisie and that capital should be distributed equally among the "peasant society". This "theoretical utopian" mindset has resulted in more genocide, starvation and all out poverty than any other train of thought has ever wrought on a population. They are pushing a Traditional peasant society that believes in only a limited good The more your neighbor earns, the less someone else gets. Profits are seen as a sort of theft. They must be either hidden or redistributed. Envy rather than admiration of success reigns.
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11:24 AM on 09/24/2010
Why would anybody envy developmentally arrested people much less admire them?
11:27 AM on 09/24/2010
That is an exellent question....I would love to hear your theory.
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
01:06 PM on 09/24/2010
The single most ironic aspect of your examples is that ALL those regimes you mention are hideous distortions of right-wing orthodoxy on steroids.

Karl Marx (who learned a few things from Jefferson and Paine, since he was born after them) simply quantified and qualified concepts contained in our Preamble (written by 18th century scholars, but not ratified into reality until the 19th).

Stalin (or Lenin or Trotsky) perverted/contorted Marxism into a dictatorship which, if you look at it with clear eyes is exactly how any good corporation works. Ditto with Hitler or Mussolini or Attila the Hun.

You've got one person to whom all people bow, and maybe a small group around him (like a board of directors) who push out policy and punishment alike. Very right wing philosophy of rule there. Bears zero relationship to Marxian "everybody is equal to everybody else and we all get to share" ideas (and those ideals espouse in our Constitution).

So, any time we hear that mantra "I'm going to run X government like a business," that's dog-whistle-speak for "this is going to be top-down rule, I'm Da Boss, my Crew are gang bosses, and you'll do what we say when we say it or you'll be terminated" right-wing think...

...that often as not leads to despotic dictatorships, purges, porgroms and attempts to take over or rub out anybody who gets in the way.

That is the truth in the history that must be heeded.
05:16 PM on 09/24/2010
Fair enough....can you name a society that was based on the ideals of Marx that wasn't "perverted/contorted" into a bloody dictatorship?
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Candide33
I heart Bernie Sanders
10:48 AM on 09/24/2010
"I'll pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" ~ Wimpy

No Dems, I want my payment today or else no hamburger for you on Tuesday, Nov. 2, 2010!
Now get back in there and work!!!!
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
11:03 AM on 09/24/2010
That's Right. Let's punish them by giving the last of the hamburgers to the Hamburglars of the right.

Let's make sure that this slo-o-o-ow progress is turned to zero progress (actually, it would be some mathmatical negative-zero progress, since the Hamburglars would defund the few bits of advance we've made...slowly).

Executive Summary: Nose? Face? Meet knife.
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luvbeingright
Tolerating the Intolerant
10:41 AM on 09/24/2010
voting Present has infected all the Dems, Obamacare can't cure them.
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
10:57 AM on 09/24/2010
Victims of bullies are like that. Especially after being deafened by the din of distortion emanating from the corporate media.

Sure wish we'd had a fully privatized veterans health care and Medicare systems in place during the supply side economic crash a couple years back. Then our returning warriors denied health care to treat their pre-existing condition of being wounded in wars would be taking a whole new look at 2nd Amendment solutions, except the Republican Tea Party sponsors of that crash might be selected targets of those solutions. And the grandmas too weak to eat their dog food due to denials barring them from affording their heart medicines by the insurance corporation death panels might just find the last bits of their energy to go to the polls and punish the New Right for bringing down our once proud democracy as their last act before slipping from this moortal coil.

Ah, but that might be just a wee bit too much reality slipping into this argument, right Right?
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luvbeingright
Tolerating the Intolerant
11:02 AM on 09/24/2010
I doubt all those millionaire dem reps and senators are victims of bullies
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ACLU Card Carrier
10:14 AM on 09/24/2010
People are missing the POINT here....

If it is introduced and goes to the back burner (which is WILL...because of GOP obstructionism.. like DADT).. it will be at LEAST another year before we get another chance.

This is SMART politics.
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luvbeingright
Tolerating the Intolerant
11:08 AM on 09/24/2010
The votes were there for DADT, Harry blew it trying to score politcal points in Nevada,
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ACLU Card Carrier
11:44 AM on 09/24/2010
100% wrong.
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rray
Jazz Fan in Floriduh
09:59 AM on 09/24/2010
just another, in a long list of reasons to vote green.this two party system is just a scam to keep us divided. their corporate masters get everything they want regardless of the misery it causes. until we realize their playing us we'll get more of the same. voting green is not a wasted vote, its a start.
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ACLU Card Carrier
10:15 AM on 09/24/2010
Fine.

A vote for ANY 3rd Party candidate is a de facto vote for the 'baggers.
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
10:20 AM on 09/24/2010
I won't fault your argument, though I fault your timing.

I agree: Vote Green. AFTER we amend election laws to include run-off elections so that final office occupiers actually represent a majority. Opponents of democracy (everybody on the the Right, at the moment) will always be far more organized and "energized" than fractious moderate or liberal thinkers and, without such a counterbalancing run-off law, this country to take the final slide into Right-only governance that Karl Rove promised was at hand.

Question: Which Green Party candidates will win in a few weeks? After all, if they don't win, that means the Republican Tea Party takes control again. Tired of the VA, SS and Medicare? Tired of having ANY middle class at all?

Unless you can name the ready crop of viable Greens to win on Nov. 2, THAT is what you would be voting to be rid of.
09:56 AM on 09/24/2010
One can characterize the GOP as the party of "No," but for what it's worth, at least they take a stand on something; in that regard, their cohesion actually causes them to become the party of "F*** No!"
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
10:39 AM on 09/24/2010
At least they stand for something.

Hm.

Bullies always stand for something. Does that make them admirable or worthy of votes?

Look, this is simple (read the Constitution to underscore the fact): This is not a country of stand-taking "leaders." We The People are allegedly the true leaders. What the Republican Tea Party "stands for" is a leadership that strips the last coins from our pockets and tells us to get effed and die while they munch on the caviar from the last dying sturgeon from the last dying lake our stolen wealth bought for them.

Our current "leaders" may not hear us perfectly because of the deafening din emanating from the corporate media, and their progress isn't the instantaneous thing we short-attentiont-span public may want. Though we now have the base of a health system for the first time in...forever. Though there are now SOME limits on how they lift coins from our pockets through their credit card banking masters. Though women have a basis in law that says they can earn as much as men for the same work for the first time in...forever.

Progress has been slow. Because the Party of No spits in the eye of democracy daily in the Senate, making 60 become yesterday's 51 majority. For every thought and bowel movement.\

But there has been progress, despite our "leaders'" apparent weaknesses.

So, because the bullies "stand for something" (ending democracy), we are to roll over on Nov. 2?
09:34 AM on 09/24/2010
Leave it to the dem's to drop the ball on the one issue that could give them traction in November!! Harry Reid (as well as some others) is a spineless, wimp!!!! Perhaps it is time for a "progressive tea party" As much as I am extremely angry with them to not vote would put the right in power. We cant let that happen!!!
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
09:45 AM on 09/24/2010
If I follow what you said correctly (paraphrase: regardless whether they are leading us well, these weak-kneed Dems are still better than the alternative; paraphrase #2: we're at war with anti-democracy forces, our leaders are weak, so leading this fight lands in the laps of We the People, the foot soldiers and, maybe, after we win the war -- not just another battle -- we can find better leaders):

Amen.
10:10 AM on 09/24/2010
You know they are going to vote for the bush tax cuts. Don't even try to think that they are a party of principle. Unless that principle is about money and greed.
09:29 AM on 09/24/2010
The Democrats have gone from attempting to function in bipartisan cooperation and being slapped down, to trying it repeatedly hoping for a different result, to negotiating their principles away with no one forcing them into it, to now stopping altogether in fear of being misunderstood.

The Republicans have brought down the government by understanding their opponents and therefore have come full circle by offering up a pledge to re-initiate the mess that started this all.

The Republicans seem to be winning the war for the will of the people using some of the tactics the Revolutionary Army used against the British. By getting their opponents to stand out in a field in straight lines wearing red coats while they shoot at them from behind trees in the woods wearing brown and green.

Unfortunately the Republicans, unlike the Revolutionary Army does not have an end goal of "We The People". Their goal is "We The Well To Do".

Just my opinion.
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LibertyBell7
Michigan Liberal (and proud of that fact)
10:09 AM on 09/24/2010
Okay, since you mention the Revolution, I'd like to throw in a few facts that may amplfy (and maybe alter slightly) your argument (and, of course, please double-check my assertions and memory of the history I've learned):

During the Revolution, our "greatest general" George Washington was frequently criticized by other revolutionary leaders and quite a few citizens siding with revolt:

• He was criticized for being too indecisive.
• He was criticized for reacting too slowly and for not being aggressive enough.
• Many wanted him replaced as the First General because of the very real fact that, for nearly the first half of that very, very long war, he lost many more battles than he won. In fact, he spent most of the earliest years in constant retreat, ceding towns, cities and large chunks of colonial territory to British rule.

Sound like a familiar pattern? After all, we were fighting one huge whale of an entrenched empire, but that fact didn't dim the criticisms against Washington, nor the fact he was almost replaced by (what we now know to be) lesser generals several times.

The only thing that won that war, our first war, wasn't alleged weak leadership. It was won by a strong populace, that refused to go in the wrong direction, even when their leaders became confused by the fog of war.

The leaders rose above their weaknesses, inspired by the true leaders in democracy:

This is our fight. We must show them how to lead.
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12:02 PM on 09/24/2010
I wish I didn't agree with you.  The Republicans are awful - the Democrats have no guts.  It's all about being reelected - so where does that leave us?  I'm discouraged but I'm not giving up.  Giving up cedes power to the enemy. 

I'll vote Democratic but  I will also work at the grass-roots levels to try and get Democrats with courage and conviction to run.  I won't reward the Republicans by not voting but I will support primary challenges to Democrats who don't do right.

Of course it ultimately comes down to money - principled politicians don't get the big money donations and you can't be elected without lots of money.  We must have campaign finance reform and term limits.

And it IS "We the people".  We vote, we decide.