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Catholic Monks In Wyoming Face Opposition Over Monastery Plans

Monk Monastery Wyoming

BOB MOEN   09/25/10 03:14 PM ET   AP

MEETEETSE, Wyo. — Plans by a group of Roman Catholic hermit monks to erect an outsized monastery in northern Wyoming have pitted neighbor against neighbor and aroused debate with religious undertones.

At the center of the Wyoming controversy is a remote ranch where the Monks of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary of Mt. Carmel want to build a 144,000-square-foot French Gothic-style monastery and coffee roasting barn. The monastery will feature a church that seats 150, with one spire rising 150 feet.

The proposal triggered a clash between ranchers who live miles apart, trying to protect their quiet, rural open spaces, and the hermit monks who live a secluded, Spartan life of prayer and meditation and are looking for more room to meet their expanding order and maintain their privacy.

And it's forced the monks to temporarily abandon their seclusion as they seek permission to build.

"They're hermits and they don't interact very much with the public," said Michael LaBazzo, an attorney representing the monks. "They have recently, but not by choice."

The plan has cleared a planning and zoning board but still needs approval from Park County commissioners, who will discuss it on Oct. 5.

The monks now occupy a small monastery near the hamlet of Clark, about 40 miles east of Yellowstone National Park.

They belong to an order rooted in the 16th century that requires they sustain themselves through mostly manual labor. They dress in handmade full length robes, sleep in small individual housing units called hermitages with no radio, no TV, no Internet. They raise and grow most of their own food, funding their operation by making and producing their own brand of coffee called Mystic Monk. They market mugs, bag clips, T-shirts, travel mugs and a CD of their Gregorian chants over the Internet and with mail-order catalogs.

Masses are celebrated in Latin. No women are allowed to join. The Rev. Daniel Mary created the Wyoming monastery in 2003.

And the order is growing. The original two members now number 18. They occupy about 40 acres nestled in the Beartooth Mountains.

To maintain their seclusion, the monks have their eyes on a 2,500-acre ranch about 50 miles away in a rugged area with creeks fed by looming mountains. The area has few roads, a few widely dispersed ranch homes, a few scattered oil and gas wells. The ranch is about 14 miles from the nearest public road, and the nearest town, 20 miles away, is Meeteetse, population about 350, that is most famous for the arrest of outlaw Butch Cassidy in 1894.

They plan to build a monastery mainly of stone with 30 separate hermitages for monks, a small dormitory for men in training to become monks, a commons area and a church spire rising the equivalent of 15 stories high.

Ranch owner Dave Grabbert, whose family has held the property since 1938, has agreed to sell to the religious order, and he describes the two monks he has met as personable, intelligent and "just decent guys."

"I don't care if they're Hindus, Buddhists or what they are, but being decent people, that's really a plus in this day and age," Grabbert said. "Not everyone is."

Some of his neighbors object to the sale, citing concerns about traffic, wildlife, water – and questioning whether the massive stone structure fits with the rural landscape.

"The plans look like someone took an old cathedral and just dropped it onto our beautiful landscape," Mary Elliott, who lives about 15 miles from the site, wrote to the Planning and Zoning Commission. She noted the religious order wouldn't be paying property taxes.

"As their contribution to this community will be prayer rather than property taxes the town will take a large loss on the currently paid property taxes," Elliott wrote. "As for prayer, I am sure we are all grateful for that but are capable of doing that ourselves."

Alan Siggins, chairman of the Park County Planning and Zoning Commission, which unanimously approved permits for the project, said he'd heard rumors of anti-Catholic comments but none surfaced during the public hearing.

"So no it didn't get into, if you will, a religious war," Siggins said.

Deb Wendtland, attorney for several ranchers neighboring the site, said her clients are concerned about traffic that the monastery of that size might attract.

"You see this huge edifice and a paved road leading to it is an invitation," Wendtland said.

Grabbert rejects the traffic concerns, saying no one complained when oil and gas trucks and timber trucks used the road.

LaBazzo said the monks have been working to resolve the traffic concerns, including limiting the delivery of coffee beans to once a month.

Another issue: The site is on an easement Grabbert granted across his ranch to a neighbor to access an irrigation pond. Either the easement or the monastery would have to be moved.

Wendtland said her clients are willing to move the easement if a traffic solution can be reached, but that going to court is also an option.

"They're not trying to hold it up," she said. "They're just doing their best to essentially build good neighbors."

Grabbert said the hermit monks are good neighbors.

"What's puzzling to me is if people complain about these guys as neighbors, what kind of neighbors would they want," he said.

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Online:

New Mount Carmel Foundation: http://www.newmountcarmelfoundation.org

Monks of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary of Mt. Carmel: http://www.carmelitemonks.org/

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12:46 AM on 09/27/2010
To "live a secluded, Spartan life of prayer and meditation" they need a 144,000 sq ft palace?!?
05:29 AM on 09/27/2010
The space is to include accomodation for potential increase in the number of novices, a church, a coffee processing plant, and a cafe. Taken in that context, say an area of 288 * 500 sq. ft (one level), or 288* 250 sq. ft on two levels is not a lot of room.
01:48 PM on 09/28/2010
A cafe and gift shop (per the building plans following the link) does not suggest a "secluded, Spartan life of prayer and meditation." And a processing plant does not need a medieval castle and spire, nor does it need to be placed in a wilderness area, despoiling the view.

Your calculations do not explain the necessity for a 15-story spire and castle walls.
11:07 AM on 09/27/2010
But celebrities build homes of this size, only occupy them occasionally, and no complaint there, right?
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anitaj
12:11 PM on 09/27/2010
Very few celebriies take vows of poverty.
01:56 PM on 09/28/2010
Fifteen-stories high, with a cafe and gift shop to attract visitors? I don't think so. Anyone trying to build something that large in the mountains would be challenged by zoning codes and negative easements.
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sassafra
I yam what I yam and tha's all what I yam
10:32 PM on 09/26/2010
do the monks get to limit their neighbors to one vehicle visit per month too?
10:29 PM on 09/26/2010
Lets get rid of the tax free status of churches.
12:48 PM on 09/27/2010
Let's get rid of property taxes.
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LazloTu
some times, you simply must poke the skunk....
10:23 PM on 09/26/2010
Wow, here we go again........ what a bunch of whiners, afraid of a small group of reclusive monks. I guess the rancher folks must feel entitled, and wouldn't want anyone else to exercise their rights.

I'm just guessin' here that these whiners are also opposed to the Muslim Center in NYC.......

Freeking bigots............ (~ " ~)
10:04 PM on 09/26/2010
"The plans look like someone took an old cathedral and just dropped it onto our beautiful landscape,"

She says this like it's a BAD thing, and not an awesome thing.
10:04 PM on 09/26/2010
People who are harping on the size of the proposed building need to take it in context. The space is to include accomodation for an expanding order, a church and a coffee processing plant. Taken in that context, 144,000 sq.ft is not a lot of space. There are commercial buildings in the city where a few floors would cover this space. Even medium sized shopping malls and some shops have bigger ground floor space, for example with an area greater than say, 288 * 500 sq. ft.
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dwayner
12:37 AM on 09/27/2010
Maybe, but I'm guessing not in that part of Wyoming.
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JayBachand
09:41 PM on 09/26/2010
They have a right to build it, if the own the land, I suppose.

But, that said..."The hard work of one accomplishes more than the prayers of millions." If I weren't so weary of reminding Xtians of the teachings of their founder regarding the poor and sick, I would be inclined to wonder why a hospital or homeless shelter built in a more populous area wouldn't be a far better idea. But we're all quite used to the religious talking big and acting small, aren't it?

I'll continue to hope for the day when people embrace reason and compassion over supernaturalistic hokum.
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anitaj
02:15 AM on 09/27/2010
Fanned & faved.
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Balzac
09:40 PM on 09/26/2010
I'm in support of this new monastery. I never pull punches when the topic is what's wrong with the Roman Catholic Church, but once in a while I want to demonstrate I actually haven't got any desire to destroy it.
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ncmom54
09:17 PM on 09/26/2010
since this would be a tax exempt property... what services do they receive that's covered by the property taxes of local citizens?
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08:57 PM on 09/26/2010
Shouldn't the monks be compliant to the rantings of those opposed to their community center? I'm an atheist, so I have no horse in the religious race, but I'm an American and these folks have rights. If they can build their monastery where they choose on land that they own---and they can, the Muslims in NYC can build their community center.
08:29 PM on 09/26/2010
The neighbors of this religious group should be overjoyed. As one who has followed their efforts for years to build a home for their holy community, I applaud them. Their message is peace and love and there are no greater Christians in the world.
09:17 PM on 09/26/2010
What a pleasant, refreshing post.
Thank you.
07:48 PM on 09/26/2010
All tax free, I presume.
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keri burch
08:52 PM on 09/26/2010
does it matter to you? are you giving them money?
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dwayner
12:50 AM on 09/27/2010
umm, yeah! They don't pay federal taxes either, so we're all giving them money.
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anitaj
12:54 PM on 09/27/2010
The people of the Meeteetse area would be supporting the monestary indirectly through public services that are taxpayer supported.
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edgarcaycedoc
07:47 PM on 09/26/2010
In a related story, Muslims today registered their opposition to the monastery. One, Hassan Hussein, said "This monastery is too close to Mecca. While we don't oppose the monastery in principle, we do oppose it because it is an insult to any Muslim who hopes to go to Mecca."
09:13 PM on 09/26/2010
Indeed, it is hallowed ground having witnessed thousands of cattle doing their business on it. Why, the only way it could be more sacred is if someone was selling coats on it too.
07:36 PM on 09/26/2010
If it is refused, I fear Catholics all over the world will riot and burn effigies of Wyoming ranchers, and maybe even kill people... It can happen!
We must be very careful not to offend the Carmelites.
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Woods Shade
07:52 PM on 09/26/2010
LOL I love how it infers that the ranchers are trying to protect their quiet rural spaces against the Carmelites, who, well, live in quiet seclusion.
Who knows, the cattle may love being lulled by low, harmonious chants/singing.
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keri burch
08:53 PM on 09/26/2010
too funny.....love it
Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
06:44 PM on 09/26/2010
Given the fact that these monks want to live in a Medieval environment far from the interferance of government, one would expect the Baggers of Wyoming would have no objections.
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keri burch
07:19 PM on 09/26/2010
Baggers? you mean TEA party? the ones who endorsed Idaho Rep. Walt Minnick (D) because the TEA party is about being over taxed and correcting what is wrong with this country by being fiscally responsible and adhering to the constitution we all live under? those baggers?
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oo7curtis
07:34 PM on 09/26/2010
Nope. Teabaggers. Wyoming doesn't have the Koch brothers funding a tea bagger movement there.
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07:40 PM on 09/26/2010
Don't confuse Cacey with facts. It makes them feel so good to insult the Tea Party. Why rain on their otherwise dreary lives?