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Dick Durbin: Tax Cut Debate Will End With High-Drama Brinkmanship

First Posted: 09/26/10 12:23 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:50 PM ET

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Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill), who is tasked with counting votes in the Senate, acknowledged the obvious on Sunday: The Democratic party doesn't have the 60 members needed to end a filibuster on extending the Bush tax cuts just for those making under $250,000.

But in a telling hint at party strategy, the Illinois Democrat suggested that leadership would get moderate Democrats and a Republican or two to support President Obama's plan only with a high-drama, high-stakes, 11th-hour standoff.

Speaking to CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union," Durbin said that the specter of the Bush tax cuts expiring across the board (as they are scheduled to do under law) would compel at least 60 senators to back an extension just for those making under $250,000. The plan rests heavily on a bit of political brinkmanship on the part of the Democrats. If the deadline isn't met, after all, tax rates go up for everyone (with Obama, undoubtedly, getting the blame). But Durbin hinted strongly that this was the one vehicle the party had left for securing the necessary votes.

DURBIN: Candy, I can count and I know you can, too. We have 59 Democrats, and not a single Republican in the Senate supports our position that we need to do something that's responsible to reduce our deficit, but also to help middle-income families, bring us out of this recession. Look at the two major issues.

CROWLEY: Why will that be different after the [November] election?

DURBIN: Well, I hope it will be different. Occasionally one Republican will break ranks and help us. Let me give an example. Tomorrow, President Obama is going to sign the small business credit bill to help create jobs in small businesses all across America.

We had one Republican after a month, a solid month of filibustering. George Voinovich of Ohio, retiring Republican, said, I'm tired of the game-playing here, I'm going to vote with the Democrats to help small businesses. That's what it took, a whole month.

And now we have a food safety bill I've been working on for over a year. Nineteen Democrats and Republicans support it. One Republican, Tom Coburn, a medical doctor from Oklahoma, has stopped the food safety bill. Another filibuster.

You know, what it gets down to is we can count, and we know we don't have 60 votes for our tax position. We want to basically say after the election when we still face a deadline, by the end of the year we'll take up all of these tax issues. That to me is the only realistic way to address it.

CROWLEY: You don't have all of the Democratic votes in the Senate either, do you?

DURBIN: Well, here's what I think, Some Democrats would say, well, perhaps we would do it a little bit differently. But if that position doesn't prevail, and I don't think it will, then the ultimate choice is going to be whether or not we have the $250,000 income threshold for these tax cuts. And I think at that time we'll have the support of all the Democrats as well as some Republicans.


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Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill), who is tasked with counting votes in the Senate, acknowledged the obvious on Sunday: The Democratic party doesn't have the 60 members needed to end a filibuster on extendi...
Senator Dick Durbin (D-Ill), who is tasked with counting votes in the Senate, acknowledged the obvious on Sunday: The Democratic party doesn't have the 60 members needed to end a filibuster on extendi...
 
 
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buyersremorse2008
lefties are koo -koo- for cocoa puffs
03:40 PM on 09/27/2010
If you make less than $250.000 a year your taxes will not increase not one dime. That's what we were told. My family lives on a modest pension of less than $25 thousand dollars a year.
Last month we receive a notice that our federal income tax witholding would be six dollars
extra
I check it serveral times to make sure it said federal and not state. NO it was a federal
income tax increase.
May not sound like but it is more than a dime.
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Blufftonian
Beware low-level staffers...and their bosses
01:35 PM on 09/27/2010
Perhaps it would be best if congress let the cuts expire -- for everyone. American taxpayers need to have their eyes opened, and maybe a tax increase would do it. We'd see just how concerned they might become with out of control government spending.
12:33 PM on 09/27/2010
50 + 1 How hard can that be?
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
03:06 PM on 09/29/2010
50+1=51. What we need is 60.
10:59 AM on 09/27/2010
The moderators on this thread suck... I've put up two non-offensive posts that criticize Durbin and the Democratic Party and had them denied. I would imagine that it's because the Mods probably work for Durbin himself.

Why allow this forum in the first place? As an echo chamber for similar sentiments?
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Gray Mouser
Former Republican
11:37 AM on 09/27/2010
Boo hoo....woe is me.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
03:07 PM on 09/29/2010
Read the comment policy. If a user is not in violation of the policy their comments should not be deleted. Period.
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Jon Lere
No, YOUR micro-bio is empty!
07:30 PM on 09/27/2010
oh please, i get scubbed here constantly, i ASSURE you not for pro conservative comments.
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R U Sirius
Retired educator, trainer; writer/editor
10:38 AM on 09/27/2010
Whatever, Dick. You guys just GET IT DONE.
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lqw
Justmyopinion
10:48 AM on 09/27/2010
Get what done ? They don't have the VOTES to pass Obama's tax cut. Bush's tax cuts expire at the end of the year and EVERYONE will pay higher taxes.
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Gray Mouser
Former Republican
11:38 AM on 09/27/2010
Yes, they do, or will have when it comes time to get it done. How many Republicans or Democrats do you believe will say NO?

This is politics today. Just because it hasn't happened yet. don't start crying and whining.

The Republicans are being dicks. Simple fact.
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PWM
Eisenhower Republican. Liberalism = Liberty
12:16 PM on 09/27/2010
I have no problem paying higher taxes. How else can we pay for the things we want.
10:28 AM on 09/27/2010
" (with Obama, undoubtedly, getting the blame)."

But why, Sam? This should be an easy fight for the Dems to win. Have the vote now and let everyone see the Repubs block their tax cut, the vote on two separate bills, one for people under $250k, one for those over. This is, after all, one of Obama's campaign issues and, if I remember correctly, he WAS elected.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
03:10 PM on 09/29/2010
The republicans are filibustering the vote for precisely that reason. They know that it is bad politics to be seen worrying overly much about the uber-wealthy during an economy like this one. They don't want to be caught voting against the angry middle class. So they are preventing the vote. Democrats can run on this. They can run against republicans filibustering the middle class.
10:14 AM on 09/27/2010
It seems as though monsanto has some pull in the judicial system in florida.
The judge ruled in the monsanto case that fox had no obligation to tell its viewers the truth!
10:07 AM on 09/27/2010
Guess who makes just under 250 thousand?
You damn right they will extend that bracket!
The drama is all the bull$h!t of how hard it is to get it thru!
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MeinNH
Ooooo Silly Me
10:00 AM on 09/27/2010
Boo hoo boo hoo sniffle sob .....but they might Filibuster. Democrats PLEASE grow a pair and get some work done.....jeez.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
03:11 PM on 09/29/2010
The republicans have already filibustered the vote. It isn't about how they "might" do it. It is about how our side TRIED to make things better but were blocked by obstructionist, nihilist republicans. They DID grow a pair. They SCHEDULED the vote and tried to vote on it. They were BLOCKED.
10:00 AM on 09/27/2010
Is this a different plan by the Democrats ? I thought the plan was to extend the cuts for the 1st $250K of income as opposed to extending only for those with less than $250K of income. It makes a big difference in how it plays out in the spin machine. If the choice is all or nothing, let them expire. I don't get the strategy. Introduce a bill that lowers the rates on the 1st $250K and that's it. Short and sweet and vote em up. Voting against it has to be political poison. Bush tax cuts ? Let them sunset along with the toxic presidency that spawned them.
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lqw
Justmyopinion
10:46 AM on 09/27/2010
The cuts expire by law. That's a fact.
09:36 AM on 09/27/2010
Republican strategery: Filibuster till the next election.
What happens when they lose more seats? Filibuster for two years till the next election. Keep in filibustering. The party of Filibuster!
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MaryMay
May your tears come from laughing
09:55 AM on 09/27/2010
Ha! Strategery! So says George W...
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MeinNH
Ooooo Silly Me
09:56 AM on 09/27/2010
They haven't even had a real filibuster....just a threat....I say bring it on and see who is obstructing things.
10:20 AM on 09/27/2010
This bunch of panty waist republicans could not carry out a real filibuster.
If harry broke out the cots and they made them stay on the floor talking like they are supposed to it would last about 15 minutes.
Make the bastards fillabuster make them do it!
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
12:50 PM on 09/27/2010
After 19 months you still have to ask who is filibustering and it isn't a Republican threat any more it is their way of life!
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lqw
Justmyopinion
09:23 AM on 09/27/2010
Everybody has been complaining about "Bush tax cuts for the wealthy" now that they will expire, according to the  law, everyone wants part of them extended .
The cuts expire for everyone.
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
12:52 PM on 09/27/2010
Duh the Republicans want the cuts for the rich forever no compromise they only sunset in December if nothing is done about them, if Republicans get their way it will run up the deficit another 700 trillion dollars!
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
03:16 PM on 09/29/2010
I believe the estimated amount over the next decade is $700 billion (not trillion). I guess over the next 100 years that would be $700 trillion but I don't know if budgets 100 years out are really worth talking about. We have no idea what things will be like in 100 years.
Ironquill
Give me a reason to vote Republican.
08:39 AM on 09/27/2010
I'm not sure changing the 60 vote rule is the right approach, after all that cuts both ways.

The problem with Democrats is that the Republicans own "outrage" and "indignation" and I'm not sure why, but if the Democrats had help up a defense bill Republicans would be shaking their fists and turning red in the face.

In my opinion Democrats are analytical personalities and they try to come up with the best solutions while Republicans are more authoritarian, less able to compromise.

When the anti-abortion forcres began their takeover of the Republican party the idea of compromise died. When you have a take no prisoners attitude you cannot negotiate in good faith.

Add to the Republican mix the Neocons. The Neocons will do or say anthing to achieve the objective, an essentially fascist strategy.

Democrats need to be taught how to express outrage.


Republicans, including the heavy duty Christians, have an authoritarian bent and a take no prisoners ideology, especially when it comes to
Ironquill
Give me a reason to vote Republican.
08:49 AM on 09/27/2010
Sorry, last sentence was supporsed to be deleted. You see I was trying to edit out the phrase "heavy duty Christians", not wanting to be too offensive--therein lies the problem.
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blondebeblonde
Blondes also prefer gentlemen
09:57 AM on 09/27/2010
Actually, "heavy duty Christians" has a compelling ring to it.
10:22 AM on 09/27/2010
60 votes for cloture is cool as long as those wishing to filibuster have to actually continue to speak in order to hold the floor.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
03:18 PM on 09/29/2010
That hasn't been the rule in some sixty years.
08:29 AM on 09/27/2010
So let the tax cuts expire - with a fight that puts egg all over the faces of the GOP - and then pass a middle class taxcut that they will have to filibuster again. Let's give the Tea Party what they voted for - California style legislative deadlock.

Yeaaaaa! California - enough with the mirrors bring on the smoke!

lff
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lqw
Justmyopinion
07:38 AM on 09/27/2010
Obama nominates a CITI ban CEO and and investment baker from the Clinton administration but didn't nominate Elizabeth Warren ? something is wrong with this picture ?
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
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08:10 AM on 09/27/2010
Actually it was a smart move, he didn't want any obstruction from the other side in the nomination process.She still has alot of oversite.
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lqw
Justmyopinion
09:20 AM on 09/27/2010
Jacob Lew the CITI bank CEO and investment banker in 2009 got a $950,000 bonus after the bank was bailed out.
Obama put the fox guarding the hen house
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
03:20 PM on 09/29/2010
Warren is now a top White House adviser with as much access to Obama as Emanuel or Axelrod. Don't pity her, she's a big girl and more capable than anyone in Washington.