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Americans Don't Want Farm Work, Despite Economy

GARANCE BURKE   09/27/10 06:21 PM ET  AP

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VISALIA, Calif. — It's a question rekindled by the recession: Are immigrants taking jobs away from American citizens? In the heart of the nation's biggest farming state, the answer is a resounding no.

Government data analyzed by The Associated Press show most Americans simply don't apply to harvest fruits and vegetables. And the few Americans who do usually don't stay in the fields.

"It's just not something that most Americans are going to pack up their bags and move here to do," said farmer Steve Fortin, who pays $10.25 an hour to foreign workers to trim strawberry plants at his nursery near the Nevada border.

The AP analysis showed that, from January to June, California farmers posted ads for 1,160 farmworker positions open to U.S. citizens and legal residents. But only 233 people in those categories applied after learning of the jobs through unemployment offices in California, Texas, Nevada and Arizona.

One grower brought on 36. No one else hired any.

"It surprises me, too, but we do put the information out there for the public," said Lucy Ruelas, who manages the California Employment Development Department's agricultural services unit. "If an applicant sees the reality of the job, they might change their mind."

Sometimes, U.S. workers also will turn down the jobs because they don't want their unemployment insurance claims to be affected, or because farm labor positions do not begin for several months, and applicants prefer to be hired immediately, Ruelas said.

Fortin spent $3,000 this year to make sure that domestic workers have first dibs on his jobs in the sparsely populated stretch of the state, advertising in newspapers and on an electronic job registry.

But he did not get any takers, even though he followed the requirements of a little-known, little-used program to bring in foreign farmworkers the legal way – by applying for guest worker visas.

The California figures represent only a small part of the national effort to recruit domestic workers under the H-2A Guest Worker Program, but they provide a snapshot of how hard it is to to get growers to use the program – and to attract Americans to farm labor, even in the San Joaquin Valley, where the average unemployment rate is 15.8 percent.

The majority of farmers rely on illegal labor to harvest their crops, but they can also use the little-known H-2A visa to hire guest workers, as long as they request the workers months in advance of the harvest season and can show that no Americans want the job.

Of the estimated 40,900 full-time farmers and ranchers in California, just 34, including Fortin, petitioned to bring in foreign farmworkers on the visas, according to government data for the first eight months of the year.

The Labor Department did not respond to a request for comment about the findings, and state officials did not immediately provide figures showing the number of domestic workers hired in July and August.

More than half of farmworkers in the United States are illegal immigrants, the Labor Department says. Proponents of tougher immigration laws – as well as the United Farm Workers of America – say farmers are used to a cheap, largely undocumented work force, and if growers raised wages and improved working conditions, the jobs would attract Americans.

So far, an effort by the UFW to get Americans to take farm jobs has been more effective in attracting applicants than the official channels.

The UFW in June launched the "Take Our Jobs Campaign," inviting people to go online and apply. About 8,600 people filled out an application form, but only seven have been placed in farm jobs, UFW President Arturo Rodriguez said.

Some U.S. workers referred for jobs at Fortin's nursery couldn't do the grueling work.

"A few years ago when domestic workers were referred here, we saw absentee problems, and we had people asking for time off after they had just started," he said. "Some were actually planting the plants upside down."

Asked what the agency could do to get more U.S. workers into farm jobs, California Employment Development Department spokeswoman Patti Roberts suggested the UFW could refer applicants to the state or employers, and the state could publicize the openings through public service announcements.

Economists have long argued over whether local workers would take jobs in the field if wages rose.

Philip Martin, a professor of agricultural and resource economics at the University of California, Davis, said because so few farmers participate in the H-2A program, it's hard to draw national conclusions.

"Recruitment of U.S. workers in this program doesn't work well primarily because employers have already identified who they want to bring in from abroad," Martin said. "I don't think a lot of U.S. workers are going out there looking for a seasonal job paying the minimum wage or a dollar more."

The Labor Department collects the same data about H-2A visa applications for all 50 states but does not make it publicly available.

In response to a Freedom of Information Act request from the AP, the agency offered to provide some records for nearly $11,000 in copying fees, but it was not clear whether the information would show how many Americans had applied for farm labor jobs nationwide. The AP plans to file an administrative appeal.

Even California officials say the guest worker program needs fixing, despite a reform effort announced in February by Labor Secretary Hilda Solis meant to put more domestic workers in crop-picking jobs.

Benjamin Reynosa, who was picking ruby-colored grapes in 90-degree heat last week near Fowler, just south of Fresno, said he often is the only legal U.S. resident on seasonal crews. He said most people hear about the jobs through word of mouth or signs tacked outside rural stores, not the electronic registry.

"I've been working in agriculture for 22 years, and I can tell you there are very few gringos out here," said Reynosa, 49, of Orange Cove, about 30 miles east of Fresno. "If people know English, they go to work in packinghouses or sit in an office."

In Tulare County, where the unemployment rate is nearly 16 percent, job seekers on a recent morning crowded around computers at the job development agency.

"We just don't advertise those kinds of farmworker jobs," said Sandi Miller, program coordinator for the county's work force investment board.

Amid the U.S. Army flyers posted in the lobby, however, under the heading "HOT JOB LEADS," was an ad for a farmworker position, preferring someone with Spanish fluency and tractor maintenance skills.

Miller said later it was the first she had seen such a notice. She hadn't received any applications, she said.

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10:02 PM on 10/03/2010
With an unemployment rate of 9.6% it is time to get real about immigration.

Both legal and illegal immigration needs to be reduced. For too long
big business has wanted cheap labor and has ignored the persons
status to be in this country. Cheap labor is sometimes paid cash and therefore
does not add to the tax base and also the employer is breaking the law.

H1b visa's that employers use to bring workers into this country need to
be questioned. What do we need to do to fill those jobs with Americans?

Why are we importing workers when so many Americans are unemployed.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE NOT ANY AMERICANS THAT WANT THOSE JOBS

American business need to look to partner with education programs to train
the American workers that they need

It is time for American corporations to look at all those jobs they have OUTSOURCED
and bring some of those jobs back home.

It is time for American agriculture to look at innovative ways to bus in workers.
PEOPLE WANT JOBS ! Try putting a bus at a local high school
or at a Home Depot parking lot and see how many fill it up to work
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09:23 AM on 09/29/2010
Not a very well thought out article!

Too many facts omitted or left out!
04:50 AM on 10/22/2010
Can you give examples of facts omitted?
06:58 AM on 09/29/2010
Our stated "need" for subsistence wages is our core problem.

Among the last nations to ban slavery, our curious tolerance for end-running rightful/market compensation for arduous/repetitive labor will be (is?) our downfall. Braceros, H visas, illegals and Asian sweatshops are obvious examples.
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msjimmied
07:18 PM on 09/28/2010
The tr0lls really want those jobs...draft them!
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uniquindividual
I'm unique and so are you
03:34 PM on 09/28/2010
Notice how Construction, Retail/Restaurant/Hotel and maufacturing are not mentioned?

how convienent.
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uniquindividual
I'm unique and so are you
03:30 PM on 09/28/2010
Pay them $20/hour and see what happens
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cgeorgan
Proud American-Canadian Libertarian
03:53 PM on 09/28/2010
Sure.  As long as you're willing to pay $20/gal for milk.
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uniquindividual
I'm unique and so are you
06:08 AM on 09/29/2010
No way will milk cost $20 a gallon. So a doubling of the labor cost will increase the cost of milk by 500%?

Typical fantasy oriented reactionary
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sensimilla
You are not your body
12:05 PM on 09/28/2010
American's may not want to do farm work, but they sure as heck love to demonize the wonderful hispanic immigrants who work hard to put food on OUR table. Maybe we should cut them some slack?
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whyus
San Francisco native
11:28 AM on 09/28/2010
It's back breaking work at low wages. Way back in the '40s CA had the Bracero program, shipping Mexican labor up here for the season, then sending them back to Mexico. My family used to find seasonal work in the canneries, but of course all those jobs are gone now.
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Bert Juneau
11:28 AM on 09/28/2010
If you pay them, they will come. Americans can and will do anything for a good buck. Most of the sewer workers in the US are Americans. They simply don't pay enough - it's seasonal work - and there should be a premium put on the wages to account for that - just as there is in most seasonal jobs....
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Organic-Guy
Organic Gardener, Carpenter, Philosopher, Agitator
10:14 AM on 09/28/2010
Wages and work conditions will improve when we get off the cheap food policy. Before you freak out and start worrying about food prices going up ask yourself what you just paid for the latest iPod or iPhone or wide screen TV or cable package. What we value is how we fix this problem.
People have no problem coughing up the dough for the sports package but tell those same people to pay another 25 cents for a gallon of milk and they'll whine like baby about it.
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Chubbster
Always Under Moderation
12:29 PM on 09/28/2010
We are on no cheap food policy. What a bizarre statement.
09:38 AM on 09/28/2010
How do the Canadians manage?
I get the general idea that they manage quite well without all that illegal, cheap labor.
Who builds their houses, mows their lawns, picks up their garbage, washes their dishes, plucks their chickens??
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JPalka
01:33 PM on 09/28/2010
Although I am pretty sure illegal work is used, I think it is more in the big cities. I know the "tomato capital" of Canada, Leamington, Ontario is using immigrant labor, but they come seasonal on work visas, mostly from Mexico but not only. I know from the newspaper, it is almost the same people year after year, they were talking about people from this area going there to visit with them at their homes after becoming friends here, in Mexico or wherever, in off season.
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inorbit
02:53 PM on 09/28/2010
I don't know for sure but, Iit's probably easier for people to come to Canada legally to do those jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if they have some kind of guest worker policy. I do know that when I visit Ontario I see the most diverse workforce working in the restaurants, fast food places, gas stations, etc. It truly is amazing. Ditto for Britain. In fact in Britain it's sometimes difficult to order at Starbucks because the workers' first language is not English. And these people are most likely all legal immigrants. They certainly aren't hiding out in farm fields.
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cgeorgan
Proud American-Canadian Libertarian
07:07 AM on 09/28/2010
This article is a great example of corporate communism. We are supposed to believe that it is natural for the government to import labor in these situations, government interference in labor markets is normal, but ONLY for working class jobs, never for Wall Street jobs. Why doesn't this article ask "why Americans who received trillions on bailouts on Wall Street who produce nothing real need to make 22 million a year? '
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cgeorgan
Proud American-Canadian Libertarian
03:55 PM on 09/28/2010
1 in 3,000 people who work on Wall Street make that kind of money...likely less. 

It's the equivalent of me claiming that "professional athletes don't need $65 million contracts."
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
06:58 PM on 09/28/2010
well that's true they don't :)
07:02 AM on 09/28/2010
Wow, Americans won't work for slave wages? Who knew?
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TruelyFedUp
Ethics is nothing else than reverence for life.
07:44 AM on 09/28/2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D22TlYA8F2E

This film explains why the few very rich own 85% of our wealth and the government - and tells us how to fix it.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
12:51 PM on 09/28/2010
Lowering the interest rates to the consumers will alow them to borrow themsleves out of debt . I have done that before from a high interest loan to a low insterest loan with the Nixion recession hit under Carter I was able to get out of debt .

Should make it that easy for Americans now.
08:08 AM on 09/28/2010
$10.25 per hour is slave wages !?!
Are you serious - did you read the article?

Many American earn less than that already!
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
12:39 PM on 09/28/2010
Have you bought auto insurance, paid rent, paid electric bills, paid water bill, bought food, and paid for Health Insurance lately ? Raised kids ?

Miniumn Wage went up so did the cost of everything else .

The only way people making miniumn wage can have any extra is with some over time at work 1 week a month. I see my son struggle and he is single trying to go to school at night.
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inorbit
02:54 PM on 09/28/2010
$10.25 an hour is nothing if you own a house and have a family.
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dadw5boys
Disabled Vietnam Vet
06:33 AM on 09/28/2010
Shouldn't this say "Americans Don't Want Jobs On Corporate Farms Despite Economy " ?

Family Owned Farms do not have a problem finding Americans to work .

Corporate Farms want the Imiigrants who will live at the farm and can be taken advantage of in many ways . They don't want to deal with Americans who have kids and need time off for Doctors appointment and for someone to be home when the kids get home.

Family Farms are able to do this .

Why not split up these huge farms that need so many illegeal and let Familys buy them and run them with American Labor ?
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Chubbster
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12:32 PM on 09/28/2010
Because you can't yet in America take someones property, split it up and sell it to a third party. Not yet anyway. What a pathetic post from someone who has no idea of history or that this idea has been tried and failed in numerous Peoples Paradises.
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JPalka
01:40 PM on 09/28/2010
There could be a way though. The corporations themselves could parcel and give it in cooperative. But he is right about the source of the problem. Hopefully the law is little-by-little getting applied. They should not be able to hire illegal workers. Then, from there to some kind of franchising, it would not be that far away... I do not think it should be done as those families would become slaves of the big corps.
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MeinNH
Ooooo Silly Me
08:45 AM on 09/29/2010
"Because you can't yet in America take someones property, split it up and sell it to a third party"

Ever hear of Eminent Domain...happens all the time with big money involved.
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Skeptical Patriot
06:10 AM on 09/28/2010
It's the "free" market at work. Do I choose to take this job or continue my gov't benefits? Like it or not, we have established a threshold for what our society considers acceptable work and this does not fall into it. $10.25/hour is simply not enough for people to work manual labor and why should they? In CA, for 99 weeks, I can earn up to $450 per week or hmmm, just about that magical $10.25/hour for a full 40 hours while I whatever I choose to do. So where is the incentive? Would I give up that benefit for another $1 or 2 an hour, no way. I can work a little exta under the table while on unemployment benefits, so why bother. It's not about immigrants taking our jobs. It's about migrants and illegals do things out citizens finding distasteful
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TruelyFedUp
Ethics is nothing else than reverence for life.
07:48 AM on 09/28/2010
"Free Market" has lost its true definition and now applies only to the ultra rich. Now it means that they get all the wealth for free while the rest of us work to give it to them. The fastest way to return the wealth to we the people is to switch from a money system designed to reward the rich to a money system designed to reward US.

Watch and spread this fine film that shows us how to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D22TlYA8F2E
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Chubbster
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12:33 PM on 09/28/2010
Q: What's for lunch Dear?
A: Propaganda, served cold.