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Charlie Crist's Social Security Solution: Creating A Path To Citizenship For Undocumented Immigrants


First Posted: 09/27/10 11:16 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:50 PM ET

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who is running as an independent for the state's U.S. Senate seat, is arguing that one of the nation's toughest problems -- extending the solvency of Social Security -- can be tackled by taking on another controversy: creating a pathway to citizenship for the nation's undocumented immigrants.

"Studies show that 11-14 million people are in the country as non-citizens, and if we are willing to have a thoughtful, reasonable pathway to citizenship -- earning citizenship -- then those 11-14 million people can become productive, participating members of the American economy, paying the payroll taxes, helping Social Security going forward, and making America stronger financially," Crist told The Huffington Post in an interview on Friday.

What would actually most benefit the system is the status quo, in fact. Social Security actuaries estimate that in 2007, two-thirds of undocumented workers, or 5.6 million people, were paying into the system, while very few were receiving any benefits. "If for example we had not had other-than-legal immigrants in the country over the past, then these numbers suggest that we would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover [payouts] starting [in] 2009, or six years earlier than estimated under the 2010 Trustees Report," said Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration.

Virtually no one, however, is proposing keeping millions of people in the United States with undocumented status simply so they can pay into the system while getting very little in return. The alternatives are widespread deportation or comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship.

A report by the Immigration Policy Center (IPC) and the Center for American Progress (CAP) finds that mass deportation would reduce U.S. GDP by reduce U.S. GDP by 1.46 percent. Comprehensive immigration reform, on the other hand, would increase in U.S. GDP by at least 0.84 percent.

Additionally, even legal immigrants provide a net benefit to the system, according to a 2007 Florida International University report. In Florida, immigrants "contribute nearly $1,500 per year more than they receive" in Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, disability income, veterans' benefits, unemployment compensation, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, food stamps, housing subsidies, energy assistance, Medicare and Medicaid. The January study by IPC and CAP concluded that legalizing undocumented immigrants through comprehensive immigration reform would generate $4.5 to $5.4 billion in additional net tax revenue within three years.

Robert Reich, former labor secretary under President Clinton, believes the United States also needs to increase legal immigration. "This is where immigration comes in," he stated. "Most immigrants are young because the impoverished countries they come from are demographically the opposite of rich countries. ... Get it? One logical way to deal with the crisis of funding Social Security and Medicare is to have more workers per retiree, and the simplest way to do that is to allow more immigrants into the United States."

Crist disputed the claim that there is a Social Security "crisis," noting that it is projected to be solvent until 2037 or 2041. Nevertheless, bringing more immigrants into the system would, according to Crist, extend that even further. "I think that would be a responsible way to approach it going forward and realizing that number one, we hope the economy continues to improve -- certainly that's important," he said. "And number two, by the time you get to 2037 or 2041, when expected problems may occur, you've already found a solution by increasing the number of citizens that are paying into Social Security, in a legal way." He added that he would "absolutely" push legislation on this issue if he is elected to the Senate.

Crist has received criticism from both sides of the aisle for his comments. "While Charlie Crist stood on stage with President Bush as he talked about his plan to privatize Social Security and endanger a crucial safety net for our seniors, I helped lead the fight against his disastrous plan," said Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.), Crist's Democratic opponent. The Republican Party of Florida replied that Crist will "say and do anything to get elected, even reducing himself to proposing widely debunked policies that would directly hurt seniors and erode the rule of law."

Crist is fighting back by charging that his opponents are too entrenched in party ideology to embrace new solutions. "I have two opponents in this race, and my Republican opponent, former Speaker Marco Rubio, wants to raise the age of eligibility for Social Security and cut benefits," he told The Huffington Post. "My Democratic opponent, Congressman Kendrick Meek, wants to punt it to a commission, and every time they punt it to a commission, they raise the age of eligibility and they cut benefits. So I think they both have it wrong and they're not looking out for Florida's seniors."

Regarding the new GOP Pledge to America, Crist said that it needs to include more specifics, although he said he supports Republicans' call for extending all of the Bush tax cuts. Notably, the 21-page document didn't address immigration reform at all.

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Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who is running as an independent for the state's U.S. Senate seat, is arguing that one of the nation's toughest problems -- extending the solvency of Social Security -- ca...
Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who is running as an independent for the state's U.S. Senate seat, is arguing that one of the nation's toughest problems -- extending the solvency of Social Security -- ca...
 
 
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spytheweb
Black Democrat
06:18 PM on 10/16/2010
They take more than they give.

"Take federal welfare programs. Although illegal aliens normally are barred from accessing them, they can obtain benefits such as Medicaid, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, and food stamps on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Since cash welfare benefits and food stamps are fungible within a household, there is no question that welfare spending directed at the children of illegal immigrants will also benefit the parents. It is also quite likely that a substantial portion of the medical costs of births to illegal aliens are funded through the Medicaid program.

CIS estimates that 40% of illegal alien households nationwide receive some type of welfare despite federal prohibitions. That rate is even higher in states with larger numbers of illegal aliens such as New York (49%), California (48%), and Texas (44%)."
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Sean777
08:15 PM on 09/29/2010
These are the facts about wages and immigration reform:

“Following the 1986 immigration reforms, for example, previously-undocumented immigrants experienced big pay boosts – as much as 15 or 20 percent – and immigrants who already had legal status saw hefty wage gains, too. But the reforms also led to higher wages for lower-skilled native-born Americans.”

http://ndn.org/blog/2010/05/economics-immigration-are-not-what-you-think
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Sean777
05:09 AM on 09/29/2010
These are the people against immigration reform, no matter how hard you try to convince them with economic facts their motivations are based on 1940s Germany politics.
Russell Pearce & J.T Ready National Socialist Movement Connection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsHi6_l1XzA
Arizona Hate groups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVikqcV0GF4&feature=related
NSM Phoenix swastika flag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVlMH8b7pYY&feature=related
Tom Metsker-The Insurgent plot: Lone wolf tactic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKpzwDUafRY&feature=related
J.T Ready “1940s Germany was a great country”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey7JtRzpcmA
The Tanton network-FAIR-Eugenics agenda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvBwuAtetl4
"GLEN BECK TOURETTES"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0mdxXw8Ac&feature=related
02:16 PM on 09/29/2010
The economic facts are that illegals lower wages for Americans. That's why they are hired in the first place.
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Sean777
08:14 PM on 09/29/2010
Report back to Tom Metsker, Russell Pearce and J.T Ready and inform them that you need more training because you have no facts to cover your real agenda.

These are the facts about wages and immigration:

“Following the 1986 immigration reforms, for example, previously-undocumented immigrants experienced big pay boosts – as much as 15 or 20 percent – and immigrants who already had legal status saw hefty wage gains, too. But the reforms also led to higher wages for lower-skilled native-born Americans.”

http://ndn.org/blog/2010/05/economics-immigration-are-not-what-you-think

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/bp255/
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Sean777
05:01 AM on 09/29/2010
With only a small fraction of the inmate population in USA, Arpaio has had 50 times as many lawsuits at Tax dollar expense as the New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston jail systems combined for serious abuses and gross negligence resulting in death and severe injury to inmates, who were denied needed medications, locked into unventilated outdoor cells in the middle of summer in poorly ventilated shacks in temperatures exceeding 120 degrees, or subjected to rampant MRSA infections, including several who were elderly, mentally ill, physically handicapped, or otherwise extremely vulnerable people, even pregnant (Arpaio forced a woman to give birth shackled), many of Arpaio’s inmates are merely awaiting a hearing or trial and therefore presumed to be (and in several cases, proven to be) innocent and all of them as much God’s children as any one of us to deserve torture. After seven years of litigation, a federal judge ruled in October 2008 that Sheriff Arpaio and county health officials “violated the Constitution by depriving jail inmates of adequate medical screening and care, feeding them unhealthy food and housing them in unsanitary conditions.” As of the ruling, Maricopa County had paid “up to $43 million, according to local news media, as a result of lawsuits alleging deaths, injury, mistreatment and other claims in the jails” during Arpaio’s time as sheriff.
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Sean777
05:00 AM on 09/29/2010
Arpaio is also in open conflict and dealing with active lawsuits with most of the city governments and police forces within the county (for violating jurisdictions and interfering with city-based law enforcement, as well as creating significant public safety hazards during his immigration raids and/or when trying to serve warrants with the help of SWAT teams) and with his own county commissioners (for abuse of power and gross mismanagement of funds). A U.S. Department of Labor Investigation concluded that Sheriff Arpaio failed to pay $2 million of overtime pay to his employees. The Phoenix New Times reported, “Since August, 2009, the Department of Labor had been investigating whether Arpaio was illegally, and systematically, refusing to compensate detention officers for overtime. It appears that was, in fact, the case: Thanks to Labor's intervention, the county will be forced to make good with a total of 1,900 detention officers. They'll receive back pay for the work in their next paycheck, Smith said.”
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Sean777
04:59 AM on 09/29/2010
Arpaio’s department actually has a pretty terrible record on doing what it’s actually supposed to do: responding to calls, enforcing laws, investigating crimes, and ensuring public safety in the unincorporated areas of Maricopa County (city police departments have jurisdiction in most of the populated areas of the county), and transporting prisoners and serving warrants throughout the Maricopa county. Mayor Phil Gordon says that Arpaio have created a sanctuary county for felons stating: “ Arpaio have 40,000 felony warrants stacked on his desk. Why not go after the real criminals and actively serve outstanding arrest warrants, which local agencies see as a county obligation and responsibility?”
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Sean777
04:59 AM on 09/29/2010
Arpaio regularly uses smear campaigns, intimidation, baseless investigations, and even unwarranted arrests to harass, intimidate, and retaliate against his critics and political opponents, and he has lost numerous lawsuits on this count as well (all, again, at taxpayer expense). The website of Phoenix TV station KPHO reported: ”The FBI is looking into accusations that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is using his position to settle political vendettas.”
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Sean777
04:58 AM on 09/29/2010
In March 2009, the Arizona Republic reported that “The U.S. Justice Department has launched a civil-rights investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office after months of mounting complaints that deputies are discriminating in their enforcement of federal immigration laws.” The official complaints which brought about the investigation, “said Arpaio had exceeded the limits of a federal program that gives local police federal immigration-enforcement powers by ordering deputies to ‘scour’ Latino neighborhoods looking for illegal immigrants based on skin color.”
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Sean777
04:57 AM on 09/29/2010
Arpaio is suspected of misspending Taxpayer funds, after Arpaio refused to turn over financial documents to Maricopa County supervisors or attend a county board meeting on concerns over his budget, the board voted to freeze some of his funds until it could investigate his misspending. According to the Arizona Republic: “The board wants the records to help set Arpaio's budget but also believes he may be misspending or misusing public funds, though to what extent is uncertain. Officials suggested there are ‘substantial problems’ with transactions from at least one fund that may need to be paid back.” Some feared Arpaio had overspent up to $50 million. Meanwhile Arpaio was denied budget also in view of pending indictments from the U.S. Justice Department and the FBI investigations.
01:25 PM on 09/28/2010
You can't import millions of low skilled workers and expect to keep the same standard of living. Illegals have very low wages and a higher propensity to use government services.

We simply can't afford them all.
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Sean777
02:33 PM on 09/28/2010
We need a system that allows only the skilled and unskilled immigrants that meets our economic needs; we have more problems with skilled visas than with labor workers that’s why we need immigration reform. Nobody is supporting illegal immigration, no democrats or republicans, we all agree that immigrants shall enter and reside in the country legally but the current laws are obsolete. But we can not afford to deport the 11 million people already here the enforcement approach will cost trillions of dollars to our economy in recovery. There is no amnesty being discussed in Congress as green cards won’t grated to illegals immediately like in 1986 they will have to wait 8 years paying taxes without accessing benefits as part of their penalty before earning the right to apply for a permanent residency meaning Legalized immigrants can be citizens only after 14 years that’s far more severe than the financial fine only approach proposed in 2006.
02:12 PM on 09/29/2010
So they will get immediate amnesty and green cards after 8 years.

You say no Democrats supports illegal immigration yet non-violent illegal immigrants are not deported and no effort is made to support the border. That to me is support of illegal immigration.

We don't need to deport 11 million, just fine employers $100,000 for every illegal they hire.

And never give any kind of amnesty because it will just encourage millions more illegals to come here.
01:21 PM on 09/28/2010
Why do Democrats support illegals lowering the wages of Americans? Giving them amnesty without enforcement just means NEW illegals will come pouring in, and wages will remain the same.
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Sean777
03:07 PM on 09/28/2010
Why do Democrats support illegals lowering the wages of Americans?
Ever since its inception in the 1930s, the federal minimum wage has been a lightning rod for controversy and seemingly endless debate amongst lawmakers. Historically, the Democratic party has generally been the one to propose adjustments to the current minimum wage, which would largely benefit workers, while the Republican party has sought to put caps on the amount of the raise, which largely benefits employers. Depending on which political party is in control of Congress, the minimum wage may not be adjusted for years, or it might be adjusted any number of times in a decade.
03:12 PM on 09/28/2010
Yet, illegals lower wages of Americans for jobs like construction and manufacturing. Having illegals here means lower wages for Americans.
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Computer Geek
Logician Atheist Lefty
11:00 AM on 09/28/2010
Crist is doomed! How can he expect the voters in Florida to understand rationality and reason? Doomed!
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Sean777
05:03 AM on 09/28/2010
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more Perfect Union, establish Justice, insure Domestic Tranquility, provide for the Common Defense, promote the General Welfare, and Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,”…We support Immigration Reform. We deserve a coherent answer to our concerns about immigration from our Government and the new $600 billion border security bill signed by the President is a great start; ICE will focus only on deporting criminal foreigners and the border patrol will implement the use of unmanned aircraft drones surveillance not only to control illegal immigration but also to enhance our homeland security at the Mexico, Canada, Alaska, Pacific and Atlantic terrain and coasts borders thanks to President Obama. It’s all about economics! Removing undocumented workers from the U.S. would sum a total loss of $1.8 trillion in annual spending on top of a $651.5 billion reduction in annual economic output, according to a study by the economic analysis firm The Perryman Group.
05:13 AM on 09/28/2010
But removing them will also greatly reduce social costs too. We won't have to pay $10k a year for EACH kid a dishwasher has, for example.
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azlegalcitizen
INDEPENDENT
02:53 AM on 10/01/2010
OH MY are underestimating the costs, every new American citizen begotten by an illegal will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars., total medical care the second they are born, wefare checks to supplement the meager income of the poor illegal worker, total education from head start type kindergarten, special english language classes, food supplemental income, fed help of any and all kids. THEN THE REST OF THE FAMILY GET TO MIGRATE, mom, dad, siblings, aunts, uncles etc any kid the 'begotten one' has had, man those high birth rates will bust this country yet. 10k is a drop in the bucket for the begotten kids of illegals.
Gasparilla
there is no clean coal
07:35 AM on 09/28/2010
You still keep insisting on the nonsense that immigrants only do jobs "Americans won't do". You are wrong. As I said before, more than three quarters of construction workers were born in this country. I know people who work construction who are out of work. See link.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/05/news/economy/jobs_immigrants/index.htm
Americans are not going to pick crops, but not all farm work is by hand. A lot of it is mechanically done. Almost every tomato picked in this country for canning is done by machine. We can have seasonal temporary agricultural workers for the rest. Because the minute you make those doing the work citizens they will leave the fields and then the whole process starts again. Canada has such programs.
And you seem to be contradicting yourself. You talk about "our concerns about immigration" and the efforts to curtail illegal entry, and yet you talk about what a big financial bonus illegals are.
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HUFFPOST PUNDIT
freethinkergirl
Help, there's an elephant in our bedrooms...
11:23 AM on 09/28/2010
They are a financial bonus to the Corporations....Farms, hotels, restaurants, small manufacturers, and other employers have continued to hire the undocumented with little regard to the federal laws intended to stop them.

The fast-growing undocumented population is coming to be seen as an untapped engine of growth. In the past several years, big U.S. consumer companies -- banks, insurers, mortgage lenders, credit-card outfits, phone carriers, and others -- have decided that a market of 11 million or so potential customers is simply too big to ignore.
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Sean777
12:08 PM on 09/28/2010
You still keep posting obsolete statistics from 2006? And anywere in that article states that ¾ of construction workers are citizens; Where is your current reliable data?
Arizona is free of illegals today and the unemployment rate remains high, where are the AZ legal residents that suppose to take over those jobs?
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Sean777
05:02 AM on 09/28/2010
It would cost about $28 billion per year to apprehend illegal immigrants, $6 billion a year to detain them, $500 million for extra beds, $2 million to judicially process them and $1.6 billion to transport them home; summing a total of $230 Billion as the outrageous amount it would cost over the next five years to enact the scenario of the mass-deportation caucus and deport all the undocumented population throughout internal enforcement, according to a report by the Center for American Progress. In contrast Legalization of undocumented immigrants would significantly expand the economy—by a cumulative $1.5 trillion in gross domestic product over 10 years. A deportation approach, by contrast, would have the cumulative effect of draining $2.5 trillion over 10 years from the U.S. economy.
05:09 AM on 09/28/2010
Oh yes, let's turn the US into a thriving third world nation, with a booming economy of dishwashers.
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Sean777
02:08 PM on 09/28/2010
When I asked people to take the jobs of immigrants somebody reply: “I don’t have to worry for an illegal to take my job because I have a master’s degree but I think there is enough low class U.S Citizens and legal residents to take on those jobs” If we have 11 million of “low class U.S Citizens” to take on the jobs of immigrants then we are a third word nation indeed.
Gasparilla
there is no clean coal
07:39 AM on 09/28/2010
You don't have to "apprehend" everyone. Just make secure IDs and driver's licenses and make sure everyone has a legal SS number. When the government knows that several people are using a number, it should not be that hard for the legitimate person to prove they were either born here or are here legally. The others would be out of luck. If people can't work they will leave.
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Sean777
02:03 PM on 09/28/2010
Sure E-verify has been available for a while since the Bush administration but it has not been fully deployed as mandatory because the government knows that the economy will collapse if labor workers despair all the sudden, the problem is that U.S citizens and legal residents won’t fill those jobs, every blogger I asked they won’t do it but expect other Americans to do so. Do you think that all Americans unemployed many with college degrees or white collar workers now will take immigrant jobs permanently?
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Sean777
05:01 AM on 09/28/2010
Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam too. Paycheck withholding collects much of the federal tax from illegal workers, just as it does for legal workers. But some illegal immigrants choose to file taxes and write a check come April 15, using a tax filing number offered by the IRS so it can collect income tax from foreign workers. The latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year.
05:12 AM on 09/28/2010
Oh yes, that 9 billion will really fund the retirement of 12 million illegal aliens, now won't it?
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Sean777
02:16 PM on 09/28/2010
9 billion per year so U.S Citizens can collect SS and medicare without increasing taxes.