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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

First Posted: 10/08/10 04:15 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:00 PM ET

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The number of Americans who have been out of a job for a year or longer has reached a record 4.4 million, roughly equal to the population of Louisiana, according to the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics report. The grim numbers may partially be attributed to the fact that employers are still openly discriminating against the unemployed--especially the longterm unemployed-- when deciding who to hire.

A surprising number of Craigslist job ads are automatically disqualifying the long-term jobless by including the stipulations, "Must be currently employed," "No unemployed candidates will be considered," or "must have been employed within the last 6 months." Other job postings specify that if an applicant is recently unemployed, he or she should include a "good reason" for his or her layoff along with a resumé.

Reeve Zimmerman, a hospitality management recruiter for Goodwin and Associates, is currently hiring an associate manager for a major corporate chain restaurant in Kingman, Arizona. He posted an ad on Craigslist for the job for currently employed candidates only because he said the companies he represents often prefer the safety of candidates who haven't lost their jobs, and it saves them from having to have to sort through the reasons an applicant is unemployed.

"Some companies think that the best people are already working," he told HuffPost. "Maybe the ones looking for jobs for some reason had a problem, or were let go for a reason, or quit for a reason, but the people companies want are the type that already have a job."

Tim Brigham, the hiring manager for American Nationwide Mortgage Company in Chicago, said he would accept a recently unemployed candidate with the right amount of experience, but he usually targets job ads at employed people because it ensures that they are up to date on the ins and outs of the mortgage industry.

"You have to understand the current environment we're in," Brigham said. "There's so much in the mortgage business that has changed as of late. I didn't want people to apply who had no idea how to be a processor."

While employers are target-shooting for people who already have jobs, the longterm jobless, many of whom were part of company-wide layoffs through no fault of their own, are banging their heads against a wall, sending out hundreds of resumés a month and wondering why they never hear anything back.

"For the last year, I have applied for jobs nearly every single day, including weekends," wrote Robert Wear, 38, who was laid off in June 2009 from a company he had worked at for 15 years. "In this time I have only been called for two interviews. You'd practically have a better chance of winning the lottery than landing a job these days."


Have you been unemployed for a year or longer? How do you cope? Send your stories to LBassett@huffingtonpost.com.

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The number of Americans who have been out of a job for a year or longer has reached a record 4.4 million, roughly equal to the population of Louisiana, according to the latest Bureau of Labor Statisti...
The number of Americans who have been out of a job for a year or longer has reached a record 4.4 million, roughly equal to the population of Louisiana, according to the latest Bureau of Labor Statisti...
 
 
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12:52 AM on 10/12/2010
Well then employers better be willing to pay up or shut up..
If I am currently working then the only reason I see to look for other work is to move up the pay scale
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06:16 PM on 10/11/2010
I find this practice totally insulting. All I can say is what goes around comes around... and I just hope that these are not companies I previously wanted to work for.
04:31 PM on 10/11/2010
Clearly it’s a “buyers market” for hiring managers. The good news is that the last time this issue came up, research showed only a small percentage of companies are excluding the unemployed from consideration for jobs. Nevertheless, it’s critical that job seekers keep their resume current by volunteering, interning, learning new skills and mentoring others. Here is more on keeping your resume current while looking for work: http://bit.ly/a8qwXj

It’s equally important that job seekers apply strategy to the search. Sending out hundreds of resumes a month is not nearly as effective as networking, uncovering hidden jobs and seeking warm introductions to companies of interest. Today’s job market is more complex and competitive than ever. Here’s more on troubleshooting your job search and creating a strategic approach: http://bit.ly/cOOcgA

No doubt it is a challenging time to be looking for work. Be strategic in your approach and don’t give up hope.
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01:10 PM on 10/28/2010
Volunteering, etc requires income to afford to go to these places. If you have no income then you cannot volunteer. How are you going to pay for child care, gas, food, work clothes, etc with no income?
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calmerheads
sanity and civility will prevail
03:34 PM on 10/11/2010
I'll admit to a bias here - when I interview a person who has been laid off I automatically think that it s because of their lack of ability. BUT I have hired a few people who had been laid off and all but one proved me wrong.
09:01 PM on 10/11/2010
The notion that companies lay off their worst performing employees is extremely ignorant at best. Xerox laid off it's ENTIRE West coast R&D division, including at least 1 guy that had FIFTY(50) patents!!!! The reality is, companies these days are just as likely to let someone go because they have managed to climb to the upper levels of the pay scale, and they just don't want to pay non-executives top dollar. On top of that, when a companies lays off a whole group of people, they MUST include victims of various ages, regardless of competency, just to avoid being sued for age discrimination!!! Most of the time, a company that is laying of many people NEEDS BETTER MANAGEMENT, NOT fewer employees, but most are too stupid to see that.

People who have mastered their professions used to be RESPECTED by society...now the money grubbers in charge of everything have no respect for anything but the almighty dollar. Now our skilled professionals just get kicked to the curb in the hopes that "new blood" will dream up the next big thing. This is one of Americas biggest problems today.

AND most corporations expect you to be "dedicated" even as they lower the ax closer to your neck every year as a "reward" for that dedication.
02:49 PM on 10/12/2010
Agree completely. I would also add that this is not new. in 1991 and 2002 the mortgage/real estate/finance market had major changes with bank mergers and consolidations, and then later, job-outsourcing that resulted in layoffs all across departments and levels. "Getting rid of the worst performers" is not always the case.

I don't think it's so much hoping "new blood will dream up the next big thing" - I think it's more that they just don't want to pay the salaries and would prefer to bring in cheaper professional labor (engineers from India or fresh out of school students for e.g.): as you say, "money grubbing"!

Fanned!
08:44 AM on 10/11/2010
discrimination? Ooooh, such a nasty word for businesses choosing the best people for their companies so they can remain profitable.
01:29 PM on 10/11/2010
Then you must agree that the bailed out banks and AIG are perfectly justified in handing out millions of dollars of our money as bonuses to their scheming, gambling-with-our-money execs for doing such an excellent job?

I pity you.
02:06 PM on 10/11/2010
How is that choosing the "best" candidate when so many lost jobs through no fault of their own? You have zero compassion, much less a clue.
03:36 PM on 10/11/2010
So you think you're the best candidate? Then why aren't you in? But at the end of the day, you are ultimately responsible for yourself, and don't look to anyone else to do it for you. You call it no compassion, clueless, whatever, but I have money and looking for more.
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07:38 AM on 10/11/2010
Just wait till the GOP gets majority, It's just going to be worse. I'm living in Missouri at this time, and I say to anyone reading this from the same state DO NOT VOTE FOR ROY BLUNT!!!! HE IS THE WORST OF THE WORST, just like his wall-street buddies!!!!!
MyrtleJune
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02:52 AM on 10/12/2010
Don't let them get the majority. No matter what. :-)

Has anyone done research on the political affiliation of those laid off?
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TMMA
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02:11 AM on 10/11/2010
So what's supposed to happen to the millions who won't find a job in America for the next couple of years (or ever)? How about those over 50 who are homeowners? Are they just supposed to walk away from their house and find a WalMart parking lot to live in?
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02:18 AM on 10/11/2010
TMMA - that is exactly my position, 51, middle management, two years ago I was actually managing 20 people and an entire manufacturing floor with six different departments. Now I can't even get a job as a security guard. My mortgage is sliding, and I've gone through all my savings. I've been literally bled to death by this constant hope that the next week, then the next, something would turn up. I've gotten just enough interviews, and promises of employment to keep me hopeful, then they don't fill the position or elminate it. I just this past week had been interviewing for a department head positions for 9 weeks, I'd had EIGHT interviews, with every department head, CEO, etc. Then after all that, last week the CEO just ends up hiring a friend of his... go figure.
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10:18 AM on 10/11/2010
Best wishes, guy. Hope you'll let us know when you do get a job (and I'm hoping that you will do so soon).
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TMMA
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01:00 PM on 10/11/2010
Seems like there are too many of us 50-something/Middle Management folks out there who've burned through their life's savings and have been literally pushed out of 'Working America'.

So sorry to hear you had such a devastating end to a possible position. Believe me - you are not alone.
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My micro-bio isn't empty it's just really tiny
03:11 PM on 10/11/2010
You'd be surprised at the number of small RV's I see now parked late at night in the very back of my local WalMart. I guess no one runs them out late at night because they aren't affecting traffic so it's better than many other places, RV parks, truck stops etc, that will charge a fee for an overnight stay. It's a grim reminder, along with many others I notice, of the effects the recession is having on those that were middle to low class at the beginning of the recession. Within just a couple square miles I've seen 3 new laundry mats open for business. I guess many who have lost their house also have had to sell things that have the slightest value to stay afloat. New businesses popping up that have a good demand for their product or service because it caters to those who have lost everything. I suppose that would be considered as a positive in a capitalistic society. Highlight the opportunistic quaility while shadowing the cause for the demand.
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sb250guy
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01:53 AM on 10/11/2010
I've always thought the emphasis on 'experience' has been a little too much. What ever happened to identifying a 'good candidate' and TRAINING them.

In the ealy 90s, before everyone had a computer in their house, I remember a lot of jobs requiring proficiency in spreadsheets, databases, and word processing. At the time, I knew nothing about those things. After I bought my first computer, I was stunned to find how ridiculously easy all of those things are. How many really good people didn't get a job or a promotion be cause they had never changed a font? So many things that many jobs require can be learned very very quickly.
03:10 PM on 10/12/2010
Yes, those things were relatively "easy", but the question is, what is the Deus Ex Machina of today? It's hard to know where to spend the resources in learning something new or in updating skills for what actually hiring industry? And, even then, few companies then wanted to train incoming employees - nowadays, certainly according to the story, employees must fit into that miraculous trained-but-not-too-trained category, just enough to know the "new policies", but not too trained to be too costly. It's a cr@pshoot either way.
06:58 PM on 10/10/2010
Show me a nation without poverty and I'll show you a nation without liberty. The only way to eliminate it is for people to take the initiative themselves to help their friends and neighbors, not through taxation and redistribution. Friends and neighbors teach men to fish, government merely gives them fish by first taking the fish from someone else.
11:45 PM on 10/10/2010
How can people help others when they are strapped themselves? The only people with money these days are the filthy rich, and likely all their friends are rich.
You're right about "taking the fish from someone else." For the past 30 years of conservative rule, productivity has quadrupled while wages have remained stagnant or flat, while the incomes of the super rich have tripled/quadrupled. All productivity gains have gone to them. At the same time taxes have decreased dramatically on the filthy rich, while increasing on everyone to make up for the shortfall. Who is doing the "taking" here? The rich pigs never have enough.
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Cleo Creech
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02:19 AM on 10/11/2010
Gee, what a bunch of 80s Reaganspeak.
MyrtleJune
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03:01 AM on 10/12/2010
I gagged reading it..... blech.
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06:50 PM on 10/10/2010
Recruiters call over fifties "dusty" and will typically not even respond to you when your resume comes across their desk. I know I am a recruiter, but I'm over 50 so I had no problem bucking the system!
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Venicelady
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01:42 AM on 10/11/2010
Hopefully, you will get to keep your job, so that you can continue to buck the system.

Incidentally, isn't age discrimination against federal law? But, I would imagine a tough thing to prove.

What exactly do recruiters look for, anyway, these days? Perhaps you could impart some helpful hints to those over 50 looking to find jobs.
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Don Knowles
12:04 PM on 10/11/2010
It's all a bout networking at this point for older employees. It's not what you know, it's who you know. I would reach out to peers and see where they are working and apply there. Use social networking sites to find them. Go to your past employers competitors ( screw the non-compete ) and apply for a position there, even if there are none advertised. Be prepared to follow up on resumes in a non confrontational way and by all means write that cover letter.
Age discrimination is rampant on the hiring side and is very hard to prove. I always felt bad for the people with felonies on their background checks, they are instantly disqualified.

I have had many a conversation with employers that simply would not look at older employees because of the need to pay them for there experience. To employers the typical perfect candidate has just two years experience, just enough to have that hands on time, but not enough to warrant paying anything but starting wages. I saw this shift back in 2008 when it recruiting became an employers market and I started to see more firms charging to help people write resumes and assist with their job search. Just keep plugging away and vote Dem in Nov.
03:44 PM on 10/11/2010
Yeah but these people don't know anybody. What have they done about networking, knowing the right people for the last 20-30 years? Everyone has that opportunity, you didn't take advantage of it.
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swift goat pet for truth
The Life of the Land is preserved in Righteousness
02:30 AM on 10/11/2010
Hopefully, some recruiters and some employers will realize the DEAL they get hiring older workers.
Older workers will show up, work hard to keep their jobs.
Older workers need health insurance and have mortgages to pay.
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judiNJ
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05:13 PM on 10/10/2010
Corporations are like sharks. When people are the weakest, they go after them like there is blood in the water. I have no respect, none at all, for American big business. They have stepped over their own people and sent their jobs offshore so the CEOs can take home huge bonuses. What happens when there is NOBODY to buy ANYTHING? That will be in their children's lifetimes.
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calmerheads
sanity and civility will prevail
03:46 PM on 10/11/2010
Illustrating your point: "The economy is stuck in an unvirtuous cycle," said Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. "Consumers are waiting for more jobs to be created, and businesses are waiting for consumers."

The Herald-Sun - Job market in Catch 22 No hiring no spending
02:42 PM on 10/10/2010
With an unemployment rate of 9.6% it is time to get real about immigration.

Both legal and illegal immigration needs to be reduced. For too long
big business has wanted cheap labor and has ignored the persons
status to be in this country. Cheap labor is sometimes paid cash and therefore
does not add to the tax base and also the employer is breaking the law.

H1b visa's that employers use to bring workers into this country need to
be questioned. What do we need to do to fill those jobs with Americans?

Why are we importing workers when so many Americans are unemployed.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE NOT ANY AMERICANS THAT WANT THOSE JOBS

American business need to look to partner with education programs to train
the American workers that they need

It is time for American corporations to look at all those jobs they have OUTSOURCED
and bring some of those jobs back home.

It is time for American agriculture to look at innovative ways to bus in workers.
PEOPLE WANT JOBS ! Try putting a bus at a local high school
or at a Home Depot parking lot and see how many fill it up to work
01:58 PM on 10/10/2010
If history is our guide, we see that private industry is under no obligation to invest in the domestic workforce, even if it is in the best interest of the country, their obligation is to survive and remain profitable under any and all circumstances. It is our hope that companies will act morally, but there is no mandate to do so and that is up to the vision of organizational leaders, whom we hope have been trained to be socially conscious. So what does this mean for us in this current situation and possibly the future, the new economy?

It is this author’s impression that we will be left by private industry to determine away to survive and thrive in this new economy. This author believes that we must educate ourselves and apply that education in a way that can be exchanged monetarily. The education that we receive does not necessarily have to be formal, but it must be structured and practical. We must look for opportunities to gather information process it and develop our own businesses, sourcing our talents, knowledge and skills to a market of interest. Thus, we must become entrepreneurs, we must be businesses on top of the current employment we have and expand into complete independence. http://www.fitree.com/the-armchair-economist.html.
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The Life of the Land is preserved in Righteousness
02:38 AM on 10/11/2010
An opposing view would be that businesses exist because the society in which they exist allows them to exist. So, the primary role of business is to serve that society.

For 5000 years we have had societies that have sustained themselves without huge businesses to sustain it. Furthermore, if any one business were to disappear, there would be many others jumping to take its place. There is nothing sacred about any one business. What happened when Lehman Brothers disappeared? On the consumer side... nothing.

What would happen if GM or United Airlines disappeared? There would be many others to take its place.

And speaking of history, many historians trace the rise of the modern middle class to the tactic of Mr. Ford, who gave his workers outsized salaries so that they could buy his cars. By increasing the disposable income, the whole economy gains.

Arm-chair economist?
Consider this. Econ 101. Economies do best when lots of people have lots of disposable income to chase lots of discretionary items.

Entreprenuership is not for everyone. A healthy economy has a place for each member of a society. One cannot have a Healthy society when half its members are suffering.
06:20 PM on 10/11/2010
Nice riposte! Fanned. I agree with your vision of history and what is needed for a healthy middle class. Would that others could be convinced of its importance and that we could achieve a really Healthy Society in every sense of the word!
01:33 PM on 10/10/2010
As a Recruiter in the Central Texas area for 11 years this is, and has always been, a known common practice. In light of the current economic situation it is a policy that needs revision.
12:52 PM on 10/10/2010
Correct me if I am wrong, but has America become China and China, America?
01:38 PM on 10/10/2010
Could be. Apparently the official unemployment rate in China is around 3%.
The official unemployment rates for certain counties in California according to the EDD website. This does not count those who gave up looking.
ALAMEDA 11.7%
ALPINE 15.6%
COLUSA 16.2%
CONTRA COSTA 11.3%
FRESNO 15.4%
GLENN 17.0%
HUMBOLDT 11.0%
IMPERIAL 30.4%
KERN 15.3%
KINGS 14.8%
LOS ANGELES 13.0%
MERCED 17.4%
MODOC 13.7%
PLUMAS 15.7%
RIVERSIDE 15.3%
SACRAMENTO 12.8%
SAN BENITO 14.8%
SAN BERNARDINO 14.2%
SAN DIEGO 10.6%
SHASTA 15.0%
SIERRA 12.6%
SISKIYOU 15.4%
SOLANO 12.0%
STANISLAUS 16.4%
SUTTER 16.7%
TEHAMA 15.2%
TRINITY 16.9%
TULARE 15.9%
YUBA 18.9%
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TMMA
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02:08 AM on 10/11/2010
Since California does not allow you to continue sending in the bi-weekly 'questionaire' reporting paperwork once you have exhausted all benefits, you automatically get thrown into the 'given up looking for work' catagory.
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judiNJ
The Free Market is Not Free
05:14 PM on 10/10/2010
Do not forget India. That is where the white collar jobs have gone!