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Ken Buck Explained To Alleged Rape Victim Why He Wouldn't Take Her Case (AUDIO)

First Posted: 10/12/10 08:55 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:00 PM ET

Ken Buck Rape Victim

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A five-year-old rape case that was never prosecuted is suddenly causing major ripples in the Colorado Senate race and headaches for Republican candidate Ken Buck.

Three weeks from Election Day, stories have suddenly emerged about Buck's refusal to follow up on rape allegations involving a University of North Colorado student during his stint as Weld County District Attorney. He declined to file criminal charges against the alleged victim's attacker on the belief that not enough evidence existed to win the case, a conclusion that is not entirely rare with such delicate cases.

Renewed criticism, however, has erupted over Buck's handling of the case in light of some of his newly-resurfaced remarks, including a conversation he had with the victim and his suggestion that a jury would view the rape charges as merely her "buyer's remorse."

Buck's campaign told Politico on Monday that the entire topic was a non-story driven by a partisan organization. "Reputable news organizations should not be an echo chamber for Progress Now [the progressive group that first surfaced this incident]. We obviously can't trust them," Buck spokesman Owen Loftus said.

The Huffington Post has obtained the audio of the meeting Buck held with the victim as well as the pertinent police report -- both of which, critics say, make him seem callous and even hostile in dismissing her pleas.

"I know there are a lot of circumstances prosecutors take into account when prosecuting cases," said Kjersten Forseth, the interim executive director of ProgressNow Colorado. "I just think she was treated badly by Ken Buck. As a prosecutor, you are there to be a victim's advocate and not the rapist's advocate, and I just felt he was being more like the rapist's advocate."

In the five-year-old conversation, which the victim taped without Buck's knowledge -- which is within Colorado law -- Buck insisted that the circumstances of her alleged rape were inconclusive and would not provide him with an airtight case. The victim, then a 21-year-old student, had admitted she was intoxicated and invited her alleged attacker to her apartment. Her alleged attacker was also a former lover, though she said she hadn't seen him for more than a year.

"It appears to me and it appears to others that you invited him over to have sex with him," Buck said on the hazy recording, before acknowledging she may have been unconscious at the time. When the victim went on to say she had not consented to sex, woke up only to find herself being violated, and told the man to stop, Buck seemed unmoved.

LISTEN TO EXCERPTS OF BUCK'S CONVERSATION WITH THE ALLEGED VICTIM (Edited to protect victim's identity):


"[W]hen you describe yourself as "bedfellows," as you did indicate that you were "bedfellows," it's hard to convince a Weld County jury that this wasn't consensual, when that is your label," he said. "So there are those kinds of factors. This office doesn't believe in blaming the victim for the conduct of the case, but we do have to take into account what a Weld County jury sees in the relationship. You had consumed a lot of alcohol. You had a prior relationship ... According to him, you were naked from the top up when he came into the bedroom. So, there are enough indicators or indications that, in my opinion, make this impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt."

At another moment in the conversation, Buck urged the woman not to seek alternate legal remedies, floating the possibility of painful press coverage as a discouragement.

"Be aware of something, if this, if you file this motion, it will be very public, publicly covered event. There are a lot of things that I have a knowledge of, that I would assume [redacted] knows about and that they have to do with, perhaps, your motives for [unintelligible] and that is part of what our calculation has been in this."

The victim decided not to seek legal remedy, though the extent to which Buck talked her out of it is unclear. A source close to the woman told The Huffington Post that, as a college student, she did not have the money "to hire an attorney and pay for it herself."

At the time, Buck insisted his position was crafted through a sober calculation about prosecutorial facts. His office claimed to have consulted with the prosecutors in Boulder County who confirmed their analysis. "[D]ate rape is absolutely a crime and we will absolutely prosecute it," Buck assured Coloradans. "I don't want victims to be deterred from the pitiful facts in this case from coming forward."

Buck also claimed to have spent about two hours reviewing police reports before declining to take the case, arguing that there wasn't a clear-cut path to proving rape. The report itself was detailed and graphic. And while the circumstances that made Buck doubt the case's viability were noted throughout, there also were aspects of the file that seemed to invite further legal probing.

[WARNING: THE FOLLOWING EXCERPT IS EXPLICIT]

I [the police officer] then asked [redacted] if he realized that the victim was intoxicated prior to coming to her house. He stated 10-15 minutes after he arrived, he knew the victim was drunk. He stated his only intention originally was to lay next to the victim. He did state that he realized the victim was drunk prior to him having sex with her. He stated he has known the victim for 4-5 years and has seen her drunk many times. He stated they have had sex many times when one of them was drunk. He states after more questioning that maybe once or twice the victim said no. He stated he thought the victim did say no while he was fingering her. He stated he does recall her rolling away and saying no. He stated he agreed and then a short time later began touching the victim's back and again inserting his fingers into her vagina... he stated after he had intercourse with the victim and climaxed, that he pulled out. He stated when he did so, the victim was barely conscious and that's when he realized he had done something wrong. [Redacted] stated he thought the victim did say no shortly after he had climaxed, and while he was still inside of her.


Buck's office did not return a request for comment from The Huffington Post. Though Democrats either familiar with or working against his campaign were quick to pounce on the story as further evidence of his insensitivity to women's issues. In the Colorado Republican primary, one strategist reminded the Huffington Post, Buck nearly blew the nomination by chiding his opponent for wearing high heels.

Forseth, meanwhile, applauded the victim's "gumption" in being willing to open up old wounds. She acknowledged, however, that the case would not have resurfaced had she not approached the victim first.

"We tracked her down," said Forseth. "She wasn't looking to get this out there. But we managed to find her ... I just wanted to see what the actual case was. I wanted to hear her side and see what the case was."

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Charles Richard Brown
11:23 AM on 10/18/2010
"Men don't rape good girls"

Good argument Ken.
RoofinReality
In the middle, trending fast away from the radical
01:26 AM on 10/15/2010
Pay for your rape kits in Wasilla; get ganked by the prosecutor in Weld County.
Sister Sarah should be really proud.
Tim Paynter
Activist, attorney, humano!
01:07 AM on 10/15/2010
Buck strips the dignity from crime victims. But then, this is the good old boys club and well, heck, boys will be boys, and girls have no right to say no.
05:06 PM on 10/14/2010
This case reminds me of the Ben Roethlisberger case. Between these two cases it makes it seem that drunk women have no recourse if they are assaulted.
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DrBlunt
Telling it like it is....
06:49 PM on 10/24/2010
"...drunk women have no recourse if they are assaulted."

Women SHOULD have recourse if they are assaulted!

With that being said, what about another scenario when "drunk women" don't mind having intercourse. Then, AFTER they've had intercourse... then all of a sudden, they "minded" having intercourse and it now becomes an "assault?" Believe me, those scenarios go around as well...
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smitty101
Tell Vlad I can be more flexible after the electio
04:27 PM on 10/14/2010
It is never a good idea to have sex with someone who is drunk, even if you are drunk as well and it seems consensual. Drunk people cannot consent.
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Rimser
09:08 AM on 10/14/2010
This proves that Buck is a misogynist. Women of Colorado beware.
11:05 AM on 11/03/2010
Of course he is. It is obvious that a woman who invites a bedfellow over to her house to have sex, strips half naked and invites him in her bedroom, and then strips completely naked and gets into bed with him is being taken advantage of. After all she did say no. What part of her stripping down and getting in bed did the guy not understand meant no?

If Ken Buck didn't put that guy in jail for forcing himself on this completely unwilling woman then it proves that he hates women. Because It is obvious this guy should go to jail. Anything less just shows how much Buck hates women.
07:09 AM on 10/14/2010
In the end, Buck is responsible for prosecuting justice. The victim said she said no, the perpetrator said she said no ... no one gives up their human/legal rights when they are drunk, whatever some of the men involved in this case might like to think. The DA should have prosecuted this one just on the grounds of protecting the victim and all future victims - otherwise women and children will not be safe from this kind of predatory, sexual behaviour. In the UK, we currently have a situation of 100,000 rapes per year, 600 convictions in the same environment - let's not prosecute because it won't be successful, which is a self fulfilling prophecy and nothing to do with a fair and just society - protecting the rapist, not the raped.
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LynneE
A not-so-elite liberal.
12:06 AM on 10/14/2010
This reminds me of the way the police used to act when we called them to the ER to interview rape victims back in the '70s. Their schtick went like this:

What were YOU doing when this happened?
What were YOU wearing when this happened?
What were YOU drinking when this happened?
How many men have YOU had sex with in the past week?
Are you sure you really want to report this? You'll have to testify in front of a jury about all this, and then the case will be thrown out anyway.

Then there's the shame of rape kits being thrown to the back of the evidence rooms and not tested, allowing rapists to go free.
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../failure-to-test-rape-kits_b_744096.html

And people wonder why women don't report rapes...what's the point? So you can be raped again by organized groups of pri*cks?
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DoctorWhoDat
Are You sitting comfortably?
11:20 PM on 10/13/2010
Women.....get out out Colorado if Ken Buck is elected.
Philimanjaro
Hate is law in the two-party system.
11:11 PM on 10/13/2010
The New Harvard Guide to Women’s Health says of rape convictions: “Only half of all alleged rapists are ever arrested. Of these arrests, only 3 in 5 result in prosecution, and only half of the cases that are prosecuted are strong enough to be brought to trial. In the end, fewer than 1 in 6 of the cases that do go to trial result in conviction.”
05:11 PM on 10/14/2010
If what you say is correct. When you do the math, only 2.5% of all alleged rapists are arrested, go to trial, and are convicted. Thats a pretty sad number.
01:17 AM on 10/15/2010
Only if you circularly assume that "alleged" means "provably" and that all those accused are guilty.
11:07 PM on 10/13/2010
To my eyes, there is no reason in the world that this shouldn't have a least been pled out. He's admitting serious guilt here--looks like if a prosecutor even so much as blew on him, he would have flew over. Even a five-probation would have been better than a dismissal.

There are so many examples around this country of prosecutorial misconduct in the other direction, that it is hard to fathom that this Buck really thought he had and "lack of reasonable doubt" here. The perp (alleged...) confessed and may have lawyered up (don't know he didn't have a lawyer to begin with), but the any lawyer worth their weight in felonious charges, most likely would have counseled him to take a plea agreement.
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09:28 PM on 10/13/2010
That's one crappy DA.

The perp didn't get a lawyer before the statement, obviously, and made the mistake of admitting to her intoxication and saying no. Sloppy behavior on everyone's part, but even a drunken no means no, you drunk piece of crap. I'd have nailed him. And for the DA not to suggest it was the jury who have a hard time applying the law to cases of acquaintance rape instead of himself, doesn't mean it didn't happen. This guy is worse than that slimeball in charge of the Tribune. That guy just makes fun of rape victims on the radio. this gy refused to stop a rapist. Men who hate women need a good kick in the hornet's nest.

He is a lazy, bigoted, woman kicking louse. Tattoo that one, Lisbeth!
jusathot
Nice seeing ya
10:07 PM on 10/13/2010
Agree all the way. I especially like the kick in the hornet's nest! faved.
AnonymousDissenter
Conscientious cultural objector
08:51 PM on 10/13/2010
The problem here is with the law. The default legal state of anyone -- male or female -- should be "non consent". That would fix these kinds of problems.
AnonymousDissenter
Conscientious cultural objector
08:43 PM on 10/13/2010
If the guy knew that what he did was wrong, if he heard her say no and did it anyway, then WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE? How is that anything other than textbook? I'd like to know just so that in the future when I'm out having a drink with anyone who is male, I will know what kind of hoops I must pass through in order for my no to mean no in the eyes of the law. If no isn't sufficient, then I think we need to issue manuals to women so we can understand exactly what we should do. If she'd written it down and had him sign, would that be better? Maybe we should have consent contracts printed on the backs of condom wrappers?
08:38 PM on 10/13/2010
Clearly Buck was completely insensitive to this woman, and as a prosecutor he should have taken to heart that he serves the people in his jurisdiction, especially victims. However, people in this comment section who seem to have a LOT of enthusiasm to go to trial should realize that it takes ALL 12 jurors from the community, in unanimity, to convict on sexual assault charges. Judging even by the more liberal huff po crowd, I think it's obvious there's at least 1 or 2 people out of 12 on this site who would not be willing to sentence the offender. And keep in mind, too - the Weld County community is not the same as the Huffington Post community, either. What Buck did was completely insensitive and deserving of reprimand, but no serious prosecutor would bring this case in a Weld County court. And it's not about whether YOU (the viewer) think it should be brought - it's about what 12 random people from your community think. That's all a prosecutor will think about.
jusathot
Nice seeing ya
10:10 PM on 10/13/2010
The main trouble is he did not believe her.
11:14 PM on 10/13/2010
Maybe DAs should get paid on cases they take to court win or loose, after all they get paid to protect all people. Any cases he turns down, the DA pays a fee, after all he was not hired to be the judge, that is another person in the court room the people pay.