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After Teen Suicides, Christian Gay Opponents Look Inward

First Posted: 10/14/2010 8:27 am Updated: 05/25/2011 6:00 pm

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Vigil Following Teen Suicide

By Adelle M. Banks
Religion News Service

(RNS) When Rutgers University freshman Tyler Clementi killed himself after his roommate allegedly broadcast his sexual encounter with another man, the Rev. R. Albert Mohler wondered if anything could have prevented the 18-year-old's suicide.

"Tyler could just have well been one of our own children," said Mohler, a father of two and president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, who criticized the Christian treatment of gays on his blog.

"Christians have got to stop talking about people struggling with sexual issues as a tribe apart."

In the wake of a spate of gay youths who were bullied -- and some who took their own lives -- Mohler and some other vocal opponents of homosexuality are taking new steps of introspection.

While defending traditional Christian teaching against homosexuality, they say divisive and condemnatory rhetoric needs to be replaced with actually getting to know a gay neighbor or classmate.

Some have gone even further. Exodus International, a leading "ex-gay" group, pulled its sponsorship of the annual "Day of Truth," which encourages students to express their disapproval of homosexuality.

Alan Chambers, president of Exodus, recalled the pain of being a middle schooler who was bullied because peers thought he was gay. The recent suicides led him to think his organization needed to lead the way in encouraging less "polar" ways of addressing sexuality.

"I think the church really needs to approach these issues in a much more conversational, relational, service sort of way," Chambers said. "Not to change our position about biblical truth -- because we haven't done that -- but to really understand that whether someone agrees with us on this issue or not doesn't mean that they're not our neighbor."

On Tuesday (Oct. 12), Mormon officials received 150,000 signatures on a petition that criticized a top church leader for condemning gay marriage and declaring that a homosexual orientation can and should be changed.

Noting Mormons' own history of persecution, church spokesman Michael Otterson said there is "common ground" between Mormons and gay rights supporters on the topic of standing against bullying and harassing young gays.

"Our parents, young adults, teens and children should therefore, of all people, be especially sensitive to the vulnerable in society and be willing to speak out against bullying or intimidation whenever it occurs, including unkindness toward those who are attracted to others of the same sex," he said.

The current issue of an Assemblies of God ministers' journal discusses pastoral counseling on homosexuality, and while the church maintains that homosexual behavior is "against God's word," leaders say hatred and bullying are entirely inappropriate.

"It's that balance between conviction and compassion and we are really trying to walk a line," said the Rev. James Bradford, general secretary of the Pentecostal denomination.

Gay rights groups, meanwhile, remain skeptical. Such sentiments are a positive "step in the right direction," said the Rev. Rebecca Voelkel of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, but they do not go far enough.

"If we reach out in love, and yet our real message is that who you are as a lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender person is not beloved in the sight of God, then that reaching out may in fact be under false pretenses and could in fact be even more dangerous," said Voelkel, a
minister of the United Church of Christ.

In recent weeks, blogger John Shore has found many evangelicals grappling with these issues in their comments on his blog post that connected Christian opposition to homosexuality with gay teen suicide.

Shore, a progressive Episcopalian from San Diego, said he can't applaud evangelicals who say they are sympathetic to gays but also condemn their behavior as sinful.

"It doesn't matter during the course of the day how often I move to defend the gays if at the end of the day I am convinced that the way they are is an abomination to God," he said.

Pastor Mike Cosper of Louisville, Ky., said he agrees with Mohler that the church could be less judgmental about homosexuality, and believes evangelicals shouldn't get any more "fired up" about it than they would about greed or any other sin.

Yet he disagrees with advocates like Voelkel who wish conservative churches would change their viewpoint on sin.

"The reality is we have historic faith, we have a belief and we have plenty of anecdotal and testimonial evidence of people who've said I've walked away from this lifestyle," said Cosper, whose Sojourn Community Church has hosted conferences to help pastors "shepherd people through that journey."

Religious leaders aren't ready to lay the blame of the suicidal deaths of gay teens like Clementi on themselves. But Mohler said gay friends in his congregation have helped him realize he should not consider homosexuality "someone else's problem."

"Do I think the church is primarily to blame? No," said Mohler. "But does the church have a responsibility? You bet. ... I'm not suggesting there was some congregation that failed (Clementi). My concern is that we're failing many others."

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LintLass
"When you can balance a tackhammer on your head...
04:44 PM on 10/20/2010
From the below, it seems those 'anti-gay Christians' either daren't 'looking within' as much as claimed or just plain didn't find anything, eh?
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climbing panda
there's a log in my cabin
04:37 PM on 10/19/2010
read this with my bf last night (just the first part)

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=5135029

there is currently and inherent and implicit approval of mistreatment of homosexuals in contemporary christian theology that needs to be expunged. the idea that it is a life-style choice is at the root of the problem. christians need to give this idea up to antiquity because it is simply not true. that they believe it to be true shows that they have never taken the time to ask any of us about our life experience. that i would choose the ridicule and persecution of believers over "fitting-in" is ludicrous. i am an unrepentant homosexual because there is nothing to repent. ask any of us and you will know that our sexual development had no more to do with choice than your did.

contemporary christianity is a corruption of the golden rule. the jewish scholar hillel said it best, "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.
—Talmud, Shabbat 31a, the "Great Principle"

"Go and learn" is as important as the first part. every moment of your life is an application of the first part and your life is spent learning how to do just that. christianity has cast aside the second part of that quote.
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Salvador Doggy
hi.
04:27 PM on 10/19/2010
"Shore, a progressive Episcopalian from San Diego, said he can't applaud evangelicals who say they are sympathetic to gays but also condemn their behavior as sinful."

This is sad.

People believe what they believe. They can't change what they believe God has said. If you say they have to change their beliefs or you won't credit their attempts to be tolerant and understanding and friendly and as-nurturing-as-they-can-be, that's just sad. Not a path to progress.
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noeffect
12:35 AM on 10/20/2010
"They can't change what they believe God has said."

What? They changed when they came to believe it. They are now incapable of change?

And yet, a gay person, BORN to his/her preference, is expected to overcome what nature made them so that Christians don't have to be called upon to stop rejecting their brethren as "an abomination unto God."

Apparently you are also incapable (since it contradicts the bible) of learning, believing or deciding that insects crawl on six legs, that there are seeds smaller than mustard, that mustard is a shrub, and not a tree, that pi is 3.141592653..., that a star is bigger than the earth and cannot "fall from the sky," that the sky is not a solid roof, etc. because, in the bible, God said otherwise. Hence, you cannot believe what is true, unless God said it.
09:38 AM on 10/20/2010
Currently you are incapable of believing in God's word. When you quit trying to second guess God's word, the Son may choose to reveal himself to you and you may come to understand the passages you have badly misinturpeted.
"All things have been commited to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son, and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
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Salvador Doggy
hi.
11:08 AM on 10/20/2010
Excuses me for not adding clause after clause recognizing that there are always exceptions.

My point is that it is not very tolerant or productive to suggest that people's outreach is meaningless unless they deny what they believe to be the word of God.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
03:37 AM on 10/21/2010
******They can't change what they believe God has said.********

What unutterable nonsense. Of course they can....once they figure out that what they believe "God said" is actually what someone told them he said. In other words, human interpretation solidified as tradition and droned from the pulpit as unchanging Truth.
People who "can't change what they believe God has said," are people who can't and don't think for themselves. They fear independent thought.
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Salvador Doggy
hi.
08:33 AM on 10/21/2010
If your answer to people of faith is to deride their faith, or minimize it, or whatever you call what you are doing, then you do not care about helping to build a nurturing environment for homosexual youth. Or else you are brain d@maged yourself.

How is scorn from you going to lay the groundwork for anything positive?

Religion h@ters are h@ters and are no better for the emotionally torn young people than those the h@ters deride.

I am exiting this conversation now because you h@ters drain the hope from the room.
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KriTiKiT
Says"play nice"
05:01 PM on 10/17/2010
:::NEWS FLASH CHRISTIANS:::

we do not seek your approval, we don't care what your books says or how you interpret it... if you where true followers of your faith you would be keeping slaves, and exulting and k..i.l.li.g adulterating males according to Leviticus...
03:08 PM on 10/19/2010
The grace Jesus brought is best described in the story of the woman caught in adultery. The men asking Jesus if was okay to stone her were completely justified in doing so. Jesus turns their attention of their own sin and thus they leave. But...

...when he asks her where those who condemn her have gone and she replies that they have gone, Jesus says, "Then neither do I condemn you." But then adds: "Go and sin no more."

In giving her a stay of execution--what we call grace--he also judges her by defining her behavior as sinful. And an admonition: Sin no more. He never condoned her actions. But he gave her opportunity to turn from them and to him.
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Rob Halpin
05:21 PM on 10/19/2010
Please. Keep your imaginary Jesus and your imaginary sins out of my bedroom and out of my life.
09:50 AM on 10/20/2010
Amen brother.
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DCmykl
A long seemingly endless edge...
02:42 PM on 10/17/2010
"Do I think the church is primarily to blame? No," said [president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Rev. R. Albert] Mohler. "But does the church have a responsibility? You bet. ... I'm not suggesting there was some congregation that failed (Clementi). My concern is that we're failing many others."

At least Mohler got something right, the "church" does indeed share some responsibility for Tyler Clementi's and so many other suicides, the murders of some gay people, and the beatings and bullyings suffered by countless others over the years. What he and other religious leaders and pastors don't get is that religions and churches are not only "failing many others," they are among -- if not the -- greatest inciters of hate and violence towards gay people. It is there congregants and their congregant's children who sit so piously in their churches on Sundays, and some on Wednesdays too, are the ones spouting the hateful words and doing the bullying. Until the religions, churches and ministers begin preaching unconditional love rather than judgemental vengeance nothing will change.
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hubbahubba77
10:11 PM on 10/16/2010
I don't want to say it's too little too late, because that's not the case. But I'm angry nonetheless.

Where were these so-called "churches" before? Gay teens have been committing suicide in for years, and that's never been a secret. Yet until it hit the national media and became a cause celebre these churches didn't have a problem persecuting gays.

I really think they are only backtracking now because they are in the hot seat, and know that they'll get flak if they don't.

Sometimes religion in America really sickens me. And this is one of those times.
09:28 PM on 10/18/2010
I would simply encourage you to not assume that what is covered in the media at any given time adequately represents what's going on in the community at large. The news folks (understandably) report on whatever will get ratings, or on whoever calls the press conference.
03:16 PM on 10/16/2010
The kids didn't end their lives because they were gay. They, like other bullied straight teens, did so because they were unmercifully humiliated in a very public way. No Christian condones that.
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MatthewRobertson
I'm 26. I'm gay. I like film. I care about shit.
04:32 PM on 10/16/2010
There is certain anti-gay rhetoric that kids learn from parents and their parents, more likely than not, learn it from Church. You cannot, cannot, cannot, pull the two apart. The church teaches that that gays are an abomination to God, and if that is the case, then it isn't that far of a leap to what we see today with bullies.

And honestly, the bullies in high school who were making fun of me, beating me up, and vandalizing my stuff were the Christians.

People need to take responsibility for their part in this, however small. Everyone is trying to distance themselves from these acts. America has to own it so we can heal and learn from it.
05:56 PM on 10/16/2010
I don't know who "the church" is that teaches that gays are an abomination. Mine certainly doesn't.
Bullying isn't new, and it isn't confined to gays. It's heinous and affects lots of kids. But you wouldn't care about the others I guess.
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Rob Halpin
05:22 PM on 10/19/2010
Ummm.... They were bullied because...stay with me... they were GAY.
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01:17 PM on 10/16/2010
"The reality is we have historic faith, we have a belief and we have plenty of anecdotal and testimonial evidence of people who've said I've walked away from this lifestyle,"

Those people have walked away from "the gay lifestyle" ... and right back into their closet.

SO SAD!
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logicanada
Blogger, radio co-host, writer, editor, voice-over
01:03 PM on 10/16/2010
Why not look inward BEFORE the teen suicides?
12:39 PM on 10/16/2010
The article states that "Pastor Mike Cosper of Louisville, Ky., said he agrees with Mohler that the church could be less judgmental about homosexuality, and believes evangelicals shouldn't get any more "fired up" about it than they would about greed or any other sin."

The problem is that there aren't large organizations promoting a stance that greed is appropriate, they don't have "Greed Pride" parades, they don't hold demonstrations to try to get recognition that it's OK to be greedy and they don't attack religions for considering greed sinful.

If Christian Churches stopped judging others for being gay which is against Christ's teachings (no one but God has the right to judge) and if the LGBT community stopped attacking the Christian Churches for believing that homosexual acts are sinful (as their Bible teaches) there would be a lot more peace and tolerance.
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01:22 PM on 10/16/2010
Two hundred and thirty-four years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

We're gettin' there ... slowly but SURELY ... inspite of "Christ's teachings"!!!
01:33 PM on 10/16/2010
I see religious intolerance is alive and well. I'll pray for you.
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MatthewRobertson
I'm 26. I'm gay. I like film. I care about shit.
02:53 PM on 10/16/2010
"Tolerance" is such a negative word. Better than "intolerance" but still negative. I heard this podcast where an evangelical christian was talking about the word and him and the host came to the conclusion that "tolerate" is used more in the medical way. How much can you take before you get sicker or you have a bad reaction?

And in my mind, as a gay man, would we "tolerate" the racist beliefs that propelled segregation and supported slavery, which was of course Christians used the bible to support?
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
02:25 AM on 10/16/2010
exerpt From Rev Gene Robinson....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bishop-gene-robinson/how-religion-is-killing-o_b_764568.html

Just as many gay kids grow up in these conservative denominations as any other. They are told day in and day out that they are an abomination before God. Just consider the sheer numbers of LGBT kids growing up right now in Roman Catholic, Mormon, and other conservative religious households. The pain and self-loathing caused by such a distortion of God's will is undeniable and tragic, causing scars and indescribable self-alienation in these young victims.

You don't have to grow up in a religious household, though, to absorb these religious messages. Not long ago I had a conversation with six gay teens, not one of whom had ever had any formal religious training or influence. Every one of them knew the word "abomination," and every one of them thought that was what God thought of them. They couldn't have located the Book of Leviticus in the Bible if their lives depended on it yet they had absorbed this message from the antigay air they breathe every day.

Add to that the Minnesota Family Council's Tom Prichard recently saying that the real cause of the suicides is "homosexual indoctrination," not antigay bullying, and that the students died because they adopted an "unhealthy lifestyle"

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May I add,
"PUT A LITTLE LOVE IN YOUR HEART"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMj7UcjPZ0U
01:32 AM on 10/16/2010
Amy Skene: There are innumerable support programs run by gays across the nation, which are instrumental in preventing suicide. But for someone living in more sparsely populated or rural regions; life can be miserable. I've watched as our LGBT community of citizens reached out to the faith based for over 30 years, without ever being met halfway. The religious right have never stuck simply to verses from the Bible in their opposition to homosexuals.They have consistently employed disproved long ago; lies & defamation' ignoring reality & facts. That's called hatred.Worse still, for everyone; conservative Christians have the mistaken idea that freedom of religion involves the right to deny, eliminate, or diminish; the rights of others.
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MatthewRobertson
I'm 26. I'm gay. I like film. I care about shit.
02:11 AM on 10/16/2010
"conservative Christians have the mistaken idea that freedom of religion involves the right to deny, eliminate, or diminish; the rights of others."

Right on! Fanned and faved. Great post and very accurate.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
02:28 AM on 10/16/2010
WHAT ARE WE DOING WRONG

If there need to be support organizations for persecuted American citizens, many raised in stable families?

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, THE HURTERS ENJOY GIVING THE HURT
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celere
Get corporations OUT of government
09:54 AM on 10/16/2010
I think they're using Christianity as a tool to elevate *themselves* over others. Used that way, it becomes a weapon.

And the deepest, most grotesque, of blasphemies.

Fanned, Bob.
01:23 AM on 10/16/2010
With tongue in cheek: If Christ appeared tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. in any Bible belt region of the country, 'true believers' would be so disgusted with his liberal compassion; they'd be turning him over to INS by noon.
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celere
Get corporations OUT of government
09:55 AM on 10/16/2010
Word.
11:36 PM on 10/15/2010
While I believe homosexuality is just one of a multitude of sexual sins. We are literally breed and weaned on sexuality from the time as a young boy we start looking on women. What was done to that young college freshman was atrocious irregardless of his sexuality. Sex outside of marriage between a man and a women is sin period. Homosexuals have a vast sea of company and when they step up to be recognized because straight sin gets a wink and a nod.
From a JESUS like point of view as HE told the woman caught in fornication though the man wasn't produced to go and sin no more the same applies to all of us sinners sexual and otherwise. Not condoning each others sins doesn't let us off the hook from loving our neighbors
for its the very essence of loving GOD with all your heart mind and soul. This is the litmus test and if its not part of your repertoire you may want to check your Christianity.
The bashing of Gay individuals needs to stop they have their choice and you don't have to agree with their views you still love them as your neighbors and fellow human beings period. You won't find me condoning homosexuality and you won't find me mistreating them either. When you start looking into your own sin, there's no time left to be to hard on your fellow man. Getting your own act together I'm finding is quite a chore.
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Ioan Lightoller
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11:38 PM on 10/15/2010
Just stay out of politics and that will be a step in the right direction.
11:41 PM on 10/15/2010
Why?
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MatthewRobertson
I'm 26. I'm gay. I like film. I care about shit.
11:50 PM on 10/15/2010
I would even go a step further and say don't give their opinion unless someone asks them. Far too often, Christians think it is their prerogative to tell me something that I DO NOT want to hear. Every time one of my Christian friends finds out that I am gay, they think they are doing me a favor by "enlightening me" of Romans and Leviticus, as if they have any particular understanding worth a hill of beans to me.

They think they are doing God a favor, all the while, Jesus is banging his head against the wall.
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JDuck
Until we know the equal we'll never feel the free.
02:21 AM on 10/16/2010
dieselis: "You won't find me condoning homosexuality and you won't find me mistreating them either."

You just did.
12:33 PM on 10/16/2010
JDuck because I don't believe in homosexuality doesn't make me mistreat them I simply don't agree with it I never have I truly realize the power of sexuality period. A Gay teacher lived across the street and his fellow would visit on weekends and they basically bothered no one. However, there were several instances where this individual enticed several young men for money including a couple of family members and their preference was women,but they could be classified as bisexual and that I attribute to him and my brothers poor choices. I have friends that I found out they were Gay and I was taken back. Their still every bit as much my friends as before I knew and if I'm friends with you I'm loyal often to my own hurt. Yes, I did buy into being Gay was a greater sin than a cheater or out of wedlock sex truth is sin is sin. We all have alot of issues and marriage is no light thing and we've trashed it for years because of our own desires. In closing me not approving of you being Gay is of no consequence. I wouldn't stand around and let someone mistreat you. You should see the looks I get in church when someones rails on Gays and I ask them what about all the other sexual sins and JESUS died and suffered for everyone. They don't have any answers and thats the best I can do. If thats mistreatment I'm guilty.
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AngelaQuattrano
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10:10 PM on 10/15/2010
Wait, what? They should treat homosexuality and greed the same way if they consider both to be sins? I thought greed was a sacrament to these people.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
02:33 AM on 10/16/2010
Just drive by them thar mormon temples --- shining examples of the humility of Christ
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
04:38 AM on 10/21/2010
Ha. The Vatican tops them all for "Christian humility".