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Pentagon To Gay Troops: Stay Silent Or Trouble Could Find You

ALLEN G. BREED and BRIAN WITTE   10/15/10 10:18 PM ET   AP

Pentagon Dont Ask Dont Tell

ANNAPOLIS, Md. — When word came down of a judge's ruling that gays could serve openly in the military, an Air Force officer received joyous congratulations from a comrade. Realizing there was someone in the room who didn't know his sexual orientation, the officer pretended it was a joke and laughed it off.

He figured it was too soon – and too risky – to celebrate.

On Friday, the Pentagon agreed, warning gay troops that in this "legally uncertain environment," coming out now could have "adverse consequences for themselves or others." The warning came a day after the Obama administration asked a federal judge in California to stay her ruling overturning the Clinton-era "don't ask, don't tell" policy while the government prepares an appeal.

Like the Air Force officer, many gay service members interviewed by The Associated Press didn't need to ask if it was OK to tell.

"I'm not coming out yet because of the repercussions I might get," said an Army specialist at Fort Bragg, N.C., who, like others reached by the AP, did not want his name used. "I've got a year and a half left ... and I don't want just one day of me coming out to destroy all of what I worked for. I still want my benefits. I still want the military to pay for my college when I get out."

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips ordered the Pentagon to stop enforcing the 17-year-old ban on openly gay troops. The military promised to abide by the order as long as it remains in place, but gay rights advocates cautioned service members to avoid revealing their sexuality in the meantime.

The Air Force officer was at work on his military computer when news of Phillips' ruling flashed up on CNN. A friend who knew his secret ran in and said, "You can come out of the closet now."

"I had to push him out and kind of laugh it off with the other person there in the office," the officer recalled. "It made me really, really nervous at first, because my first thought was, `Oh, crap. I just was outed, and I know that the policy is probably coming back. What do I do?'"

For the rest of the day, the officer – co-founder of a support group called OutServe – was worried some other friend might inadvertently say something. He wondered if he should go home until things calmed down.

Then he thought to himself: "This is probably happening across other bases as well."

President Barack Obama has made it clear that he wants the policy to end on his watch. But he wants Congress to make the change, not the courts. And when – or even if – that might happen is unclear. Repeal legislation has passed the House but run into Republican resistance in the Senate.

Under the 1993 law, the military cannot inquire into service members' sexual orientation and punish them for it as long as they keep it to themselves.

Jarrod Chlapowski, co-founder of Servicemembers United, said his office has received dozens of calls from closeted gay military members since Tuesday's ruling.

"We've had people calling us asking us, `What should I do? Can I come out now?'" said Chlapowski, a former U.S. Army Korean linguist who decided not to re-enlist because of the policy. "All the organizations, including ours, are cautioning service members not to come out of the closet, because everything is still in flux. This injunction could be stayed or not be stayed and it probably will be stayed. We just don't know when."

Even before Phillips issued her order, the Air Force had agreed to delay the discharge of Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach.

An F-15 fighter pilot from Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, Fehrenbach sued in August to block his discharge. Given his legal challenge, he said he doubts the Air Force will be able to discharge him before his retirement next year, but he wants to see the policy buried for the sake of others.

"Ever since this started in May 2008, ever since my discharge hearing in April 2009, ever since I went public, I've been in the same squadron, doing the same job, with same people, with absolutely no detrimental effect to morale, good order and discipline, or unit cohesion," he said Friday.

"My presence every day here at work proves 'don't ask, don't tell' is obsolete," he said. "I'm living in a post-don't ask-don't tell world already."

Emboldened by the court ruling, Omar Lopez – discharged from the Navy in 2006 after admitting his gay status to his military doctor – walked into an Army recruiting office in Austin, Texas, this week and asked if he could re-enlist. He was up front, even showing the recruiters his Navy discharge papers. He was turned away.

"They just said, `I can't let you re-enlist because we haven't got anything down from the chain of command,'" Lopez, 29, told the AP in a telephone interview. "They were courteous and apologetic, but they couldn't help me."

Dan Woods, the lead attorney in the Log Cabin Republicans' case that led to the injunction, sent a letter to the Justice Department, suggesting that recruiters who turn away gays could be cited for contempt.

In a court filing Friday, Woods said the Obama administration has given the federal judge no good reason to temporarily freeze her order, and the government should be ashamed for seeking to preserve the policy.

Government attorneys are asking Judge Phillips for a temporary stay on the ruling while it appeals.

Woods' client, the Log Cabin Republicans, won the injunction after suing the government to stop the enforcement of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

The Defense Department has said it will comply with Phillips' order for now.

The soldier from Fort Bragg said he believes the ban is on its way out. But until then, he plans to continue "living a lie."

"The day that that does happen, then that's when I'll walk out of the darkness and say, `This is who I am. I've been serving my country for seven years, and I've done it just fine – being who I am,'" said the 23-year-old, who returned last weekend from a nine-month tour in Iraq. "I just want to shout out to America to open your eyes and know we DO serve America. We DO fight for your freedom."

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Witte reported from Annapolis, Breed from Raleigh, N.C.. Associated Press writers Anne Flaherty in Washington; Gene Johnson in Seattle; and Julie Watson in San Diego also contributed to this report.

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07:33 AM on 11/11/2010
If they cant kick you out for being gay because thats on hold.....then what adverse reactions could happen if a member said something?
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Siebenstein
99% -Don't do what they tell you !
04:06 PM on 10/26/2010
Pentagon To Gay Troops: Stay Silent Or Trouble Could Find You


Sorry to say, but one could exchange G@ y Tr00 ps with all sorts of other groups and still come to the same conclusion.

DADT and g@ y people are @b v sed by politicians, so are many other groups, and yet, Americans roll over and stay silent. They do exactely what the sad excuse for a government asks them to do.
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Siebenstein
99% -Don't do what they tell you !
04:05 PM on 10/26/2010
Pentagon To Gay Troops: Stay Silent Or Trouble Could Find You


Sorry to say, but one could exchange Gay Troops with all sorts of other groups and still come to the same conclusion.

DADT and gay people are abused by politicians, so are many other groups, and yet, Americans roll over and stay silent. They do exactely what the sad excuse for a government asks them to do.
07:35 AM on 11/11/2010
what you said can be applied to so many more issues americans are aware that the government is deceiptful and they willing let themselves be blinsighted and just settle for whats on their plate...i wonder what will it take to wake people up or will we just become empty drones with little media devices running our everyday lives....
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LynnW49
"A great democracy must be progressive." TR
10:06 PM on 10/18/2010
Rcahel Maddow reports that Judge Phllips might issue a decision tonight or tomorrow in response to today's hearing on the Obama DOJ's request for a stay of her injunction against DADT. Meanhwile the military is obeying the injunction.

So far not a word here on HuffPost, and yet "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is alleged to be News So Big It Deserves Its Own Page.

If Phillips maintains the injunction, the ever vigilant Obama DOJ will protect and defend the right of the military to enforce what has been ruled an unconstitutional law by appealing that decision to the 9th District Court, and right on up to the Supreme Court if necessary. It seems the Obama DOJ doesn't mind the collateral damage to gay soldiers at risk -- already folks are accidentally outing people because they misunderstand that even if DADT is suspended by Phillips, it might well be reinstated. If only the DOJ cared as much about investigating war crimes as it does about protecting unconstutional laws that deprive people of equal rights.
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LynnW49
"A great democracy must be progressive." TR
05:48 PM on 10/18/2010
Judge Phllips is hearing the Obama DOJ case for staying her injunction right now. The hearing was scheduled for 2:30 PM Pacific Time.

The Washington Post is covering this (HuffPo isn't at the moment, or at all so far today):
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/10/dont_ask_court_hearing_schedul.html

Elsewhere Paintiff's Attorney Dan Woods has said:
"[T]he heart of the government’s argument in its application [for a stay of the injunction] is to bemoan the administrative and rulemaking burden that would supposedly be placed on the military if the Court’s injunction remains in place, and to plead that the current military Working Group be allowed to complete its 'orderly,' if ponderous, research and recommendations project without interference from courts fulfilling their constitutional function," Woods wrote. "Homosexual servicemembers are fighting and dying today in two wars for their fellow Americans’ Constitutional rights; their own Constitutional rights should not be held hostage to an uncertain bureaucratic process that wants time to develop educational and training materials."

Secretary Gates claimed that the injunction would have "enormous consequences," which makes one wonder about his readiness for war if he thinks the military cannot handle this. But The Palm Center is tracking the impact of the injunction so far on
http://www.enormousconsequences.com/.

Big surprise! No problems so far. The DOJ continues to put servicepeople in danger, so there's not much "telling" so far. But it seems unlikely that Gates was even remotly correct.
11:32 AM on 10/18/2010
Stop throwing tax money to the Pentagon. They obviously ignore the investment and training expense, and throw talented individuals to the wind,in order to appease the homophobes. For everyone that they discard,take the lost money out of their next appropriation.
09:29 AM on 10/18/2010
This whole argument's stupid!

Military's UCMJ and protocol is clear: keep your private life OUT of the military!

Second, military accommodates off-base or on-base living quarters for you and your immediate family, as it is determined by civilian custom, military is subordinate to civilian rule. And right now, that means your WIFE or HUSBAND; not your "progressive" commune, same-sex partner or animal companion.

Military is NOT a "progressive" social engineering laboratory.

Get the picture??

Until the cultural norm changes, military stays the same.
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talkstocoyotes
10:33 AM on 10/18/2010
You'd have said the same about the military's "social experiment" of racial desegregation 50 years ago.

"Second, military accommodates off-base or on-base living quarters for you and your immediate family, as it is determined by civilian custom, military is subordinate to civilian rule. And right now, that means your WIFE or HUSBAND; not your "progressive" commune, same-sex partner or animal companion"

Good reason to stop the legal insanity and legalize same-sex marriage nationwide. But the usual comparison of same-sex relationships is noted. Why are homophobes so obsessed with that? These are people you wouldn't want petsitting for you. Seriously.
11:28 AM on 10/18/2010
Same sex marrage is defeated everytime does that give you some hint as to what the American public thinks of it?
12:28 PM on 10/18/2010
To your first point, yes, the military is NOT a social experiment; however, segregation has never been Federal law; and Truman after WWII announced non-discrimination as a policy for the armed forces, ending de facto segregation events (EG, Tuskegee Airmen, all-black companies & quarters, etc.), appropriate since the military follows civilian customs and norms.

I am not for "legalizing" or promoting same-sex marriage, that's a private affair; I'm for the government and state conferring the PRIVILEGE of a marriage license to same-sex couples, conferring automatic community property recognition, as it is in society's interest to support the historical and natural core of a family, the union between a man and a woman. Same sex couples, groups, whatever can reap the same community property and legal benefits through the law and their own efforts; but not a license.
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Peter Noble 2
11:04 AM on 10/18/2010
The Military Stays The Same?

Gays are "out" under cultural norms, except in the armed forces. And no one wanted segregation to stop in the army but it was simply eradicated by presidential order. So much for not being ahead of the cultural norm. Back then they still had Rosa sitting at the back of the bus.
12:32 PM on 10/18/2010
Like I said, as far as the military goes, keep your private life OUT of your duty, the military is NOT a social engineering experiment.

Rosa sitting on the back of the bus as a cultural norm needed to be worked out in the civilian, not the military, world, as it should.
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Js420
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08:58 PM on 10/17/2010
I wish they would all just come out at once. 1- to see exactly how many there are 2- what the govt would do. The only reason gays are a target is because of other peoples religion. And thats not right
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dubbleplusgood
turned off CNN, turned on CurrentTV
08:28 PM on 10/17/2010
i've got an idea. how about every single gay person quits the forces tomorrow? that would destroy national security in one day. call it a general strike on the generals. you might see DADT repealed by tuesday morning.
07:53 PM on 10/17/2010
So, let me get this right ... The President is so opposed to "Don't Ask/Don't Tell" that he is actually willing to go to court to make sure that it continues to be enforced. And, just to make sure I am understanding this correctly, the President has told the Pentagon to go easy and "not ruin the lives unnecessarily" of soldiers who do not out themselves, but are outed in other non-job-related ways. Our President and his administration are taking dishonesty and hypocrisy to heights that even the Republicans would be hard-pressed to match. The sheer dishonesty of going on TV (or having one's press secretary go on TV) to announce that you oppose DA/DT while suing to protect it is pretty bad. But, acknowledging in a statement that DA/DT needlessly ruins lives while making the conscious decision that you will continue ruining lives in some cases is even worse. The President should be ashamed of himself. He has always had the power to stop the discharges under DA/DT by executive order, and he should use it without any more false and insulting and ridiculous announcements like those of the past week!
10:16 PM on 10/17/2010
NOPE.
You didn't "get this right".
The President is seeking a stay in immediately stopping the enforcement of DADT to prevent chaos and to prevent soldiers from coming out until DADT is truly ended and it's truly safe for them to come out.
The review of how to safely and responsibly implement the end of DADT is due December 1st.
In order to protect the lives and well-being of gay soldiers from the potential violent backlash to allowing gay soldiers to be openly gay, DADT needs to be ended with care.
I can assure you that there are PLENTY of servicemembers who have strongly anti-gay feelings. There is a real potential for a violent response to incorporating openly gay servicemembers into the military.
That means it needs to be done in a slower and more careful way than some would like, but I believe safety first is the best way to proceed.
This policy has been in place for years and waiting another month for the review to be finished is nothing to be in a rage about.
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David Rozgonyi
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08:45 AM on 10/18/2010
If a service member gives a violent response for a fellow soldier coming out, it is HE that must be courtmartialed and dishonorably discharged, instead of the soldier coming out. Simple as pie.
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JimR
09:27 AM on 10/18/2010
Fanned and faved. Glad somebody gets it.
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Peter Noble 2
07:39 PM on 10/17/2010
Stay quiet is typical advice but sadly required while we have a president who is determined to assist bigots and Generals to old to change or too straight to care. Obama is not required to appeal this decision and given the likely gains by Republicans he owes it to the Gay and Lesbian community who worked hard for him from the get go.

I still think the best idea is for all the Gay and Lesbian troops to TELL on one day. The Pentagon will be forced to accept. I have a suspicion that there are a lot of Gay and Lesbian members of the armed forces. It's time for the this to end as Congress and Obama have the majority but allow their Blue Dogs or their "moderate" Senators to side with Republicans.

And Obama wonders why we our discouraged and just plain angry? Obama stepped over a line by appealing this. With his Right of Center politics and his corrupt Democrat majority he has no right to try and overturn this and expect us to vote Democrat.. as Congress will clearly not address this even if the Democrats win. When it comes to Gay and Lesbian rights they will only act when it is convenient to them to do so or it does not matter.

So sad we treat our troops as second class citizens.
11:33 AM on 10/18/2010
"Obama is not required to appeal this decision"

Actually he (by way of the justice department) is. Being the representative of the "defendant" (US government), the Justice Dept. is obligated to appeal rulings, especially one where, although it's disagreeable, even to the President, the authority of the Executive or Legislative branch (in ways of laws legally passed), is being questioned. It has to be appealed.
GlennInVenice
Progressives suffer taxation without representatio
05:14 PM on 10/17/2010
Yes, the threat is still very real.

You must continue to deny who you are and cover-up the details of your life.

If you slip up and let somebody know who you are, you will be fired.

This is America.

You wouldn't know it sometimes.
04:59 PM on 10/17/2010
You d@mned well bet it will, if the Chr!st!an Right Evangelicals completely take over the running of this country.
GlennInVenice
Progressives suffer taxation without representatio
05:15 PM on 10/17/2010
Or if Obama's Justice Dept. fights to have the decission appealed as they are the DOMA and Prop 9 decissions.
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Peter Noble 2
07:41 PM on 10/17/2010
Hey it's Obama who insists on appealing this. He does not have to. And the Democrats control both houses but you'd never think so.
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dubbleplusgood
turned off CNN, turned on CurrentTV
08:34 PM on 10/17/2010
control? have you seen the obstructionism and record-breaking unprecedented filibustering from the Republicans? there has NEVER been a minority party like the one that took office in jan 2009 - NEVER.
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JimR
09:36 AM on 10/18/2010
Realistically, he does have to appeal this. This is not the way to end DADT.
jerryatthebeach
Till Death Do You Barrier Island...
10:49 AM on 10/17/2010
I'll be voting a straight Republican ticket on Nov. 2nd. They're moving to the center and realize we can make or break an election. 2008 Promises were not delivered by Democrats...
01:11 PM on 10/17/2010
By what indication are Republicans "moving to the Center"?
jerryatthebeach
Till Death Do You Barrier Island...
02:05 PM on 10/17/2010
By Gay Republicans working since 2004 to have DADT repealed to allow all Americans to serve openly, which is fine by the public might I ad...
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dubbleplusgood
turned off CNN, turned on CurrentTV
08:34 PM on 10/17/2010
in some dreamworld obviously.
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HJS2010
01:32 PM on 10/17/2010
I have lost hope in this country from people like you! No forward thinking.
jerryatthebeach
Till Death Do You Barrier Island...
10:39 AM on 10/17/2010
Promises. promises that were made in 2008. We won't forget. I urge every Gay American to vote a sraight Republican ticket. They are moving to the center and realize we can make or break an election.
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dubbleplusgood
turned off CNN, turned on CurrentTV
08:30 PM on 10/17/2010
wow i want what you are smoking. the dems may be slow but who do you think has been leading the fight against gays? most certainly the republicans and i cant believe i even have to explain this to you.