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Oldest Galaxy Discovered From 13.1 Billion Years Ago, Astronomers Say (PHOTO)

AP/Huffington Post   First Posted: 10/20/10 03:15 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:05 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AP)— Astronomers believe they've found the oldest thing they've ever seen in the universe: It's a galaxy far, far away from a time long, long ago.

Hidden in a Hubble Space Telescope photo released earlier this year is a small smudge of light that European astronomers now calculate is a galaxy from 13.1 billion years ago. That's a time when the universe was very young, just shy of 600 million years old. That would make it the earliest and most distant galaxy seen so far.

By now the galaxy is so ancient it probably doesn't exist in its earlier form and has already merged into bigger neighbors, said Matthew Lehnert of the Paris Observatory, lead author of the study published online Wednesday in the journal Nature.

This undated handout image provided by NASA, taken by the Hubble Space Telescope, shows a small smudge, center, that astronomers believe is the oldest thing they have ever seen,light from a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. (AP Photo/NASA)

"We're looking at the universe when it was a 20th of its current age," said California Institute of Technology astronomy professor Richard Ellis, who wasn't part of the discovery team. "In human terms, we're looking at a 4-year-old boy in the life span of an adult."

While Ellis finds the basis for the study "pretty good," there have been other claims about the age of distant space objects that have not held up to scrutiny. And some experts have questions about this one. But even the skeptics praised the study as important and interesting.

The European astronomers calculated the age after 16 hours of observations from a telescope in Chile that looked at light signatures of cooling hydrogen gas.

Earlier this year, astronomers had made a general estimate of 600 to 800 million years after the Big Bang for the most distant fuzzy points of light in the Hubble photograph, which was presented at an astronomy meeting back in January.

In the new study, researchers focused on a single galaxy in their analysis of hydrogen's light signature, further pinpointing the age. Garth Illingworth of the University of California, Santa Cruz, who was the scientist behind the Hubble image, said it provides confirmation for the age using a different method, something he called amazing "for such faint objects."

The new galaxy doesn't have a name - just a series of letters and numbers. So Lehnert said he and colleagues have called it "the high red-shift blob. "Because it takes so long for the light to travel such a vast time and distance, astronomers are seeing what the galaxy looked like 13.1 billion years ago at a time when it was quite young - maybe even as young as 100 million years old - Lehnert said. It has very little of the carbon or metal that we see in more mature stars and is full of young, blue massive stars, he said.

What's most interesting to astronomers is that this finding fits with theories about when the first stars and galaxies were born. This galaxy would have formed not too soon after them.

"We're looking almost to the edge, almost within 100 million years of seeing the very first objects," Ellis said. "One hundred million years to a human seems an awful long time, but in astronomical time periods, that's nothing compared to the life of the stars."

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WASHINGTON (AP)— Astronomers believe they've found the oldest thing they've ever seen in the universe: It's a galaxy far, far away from a time long, long ago. Hidden in a Hubble Space Telescope...
WASHINGTON (AP)— Astronomers believe they've found the oldest thing they've ever seen in the universe: It's a galaxy far, far away from a time long, long ago. Hidden in a Hubble Space Telescope...
 
 
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10:23 AM on 11/19/2010
Since we know that the Galaxies (almost all) are moving away from us, at what speed might this most distant galaxy be moving away? If it is drifting away at a speed approaching that of light, we would be seeing it in very slow motion rather than in real time. Then wouldn't this be the cause of the 'red-shift'? I would like to posit that the 'red-shift' is more indicative of the speed at which the object is moving away from us rather than how distant it is, although it can also infer a distance for the object.

If I am right, it would imply that the 'Big Bang' is a false theory and the universe is far larger than we will get to know as galaxies moving away from us at greater than the speed of light will never be detected from our galaxy and the size of the universe can be assumed to be beyond knowing.

Any thoughts?
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hdohighdesertobserver
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05:23 PM on 10/25/2010
How can they tell, from a smudge of light, how long it took the light to arrive?
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Joffan
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12:37 AM on 10/26/2010
What they might be doing is looking at the absorption lines, which are in characteristic places for the different elements. As the light has traveled across the expanding universe, these lines get red-shifted further and further across the spectrum. Measuring the difference between the lines recorded from the galaxy and the same lines from something nearby like the Sun, they can calculate how much shifting has happened to the light on its way from the distant galaxy and therefore how much expansion and how much time the light has experienced since those absorption lines were cut into it by the gases around the stars that generated it.
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StephenJK
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07:45 AM on 10/25/2010
Probably been swallowed by a super massive black hole by now. I envision the outer edges of the universe are littered with SMBHs that are sucking all matter outward in every direction at faster and faster rates.
03:00 AM on 10/24/2010
13.1 Billion years old? That birthday was yesterday (in universal time)!
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tobynsaunders
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06:05 PM on 10/23/2010
I love looking off Earth at night... I live 50 miles from the busiest airport on Earth & the planes get in the way, but it's always rather profound! Like, "who might be looking back in this general direction?"...
06:47 AM on 10/22/2010
I'm from the church - don't read this. Close your eyes. Run away, run away.
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TakeSake
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12:20 AM on 10/22/2010
Many years ago I visited the lab of a friend whose job it was to laser-scan photo plates. These glass plates were perhaps 16" square, and were taken by a telescope. At first glance, they were covered with a speckling of stars.

Upon closer look...

There were no stars that could be seen. They were all galaxies. Tens per square inch, 250 square inches per plate. Hundreds of plates. Through a near-sighted telescope looking through hazy Earth-bound air, into just a small part of the sky.
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blurredmolly
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05:23 PM on 10/23/2010
We are so, so small.
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tobynsaunders
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06:06 PM on 10/23/2010
I'm 6 ft.
05:13 PM on 10/21/2010
Since the Milky Way is estimated to be more than 13 billion years old, what reason is there to conclude that this distant galaxy is any older, much less the oldest? Also, the Hubble photos show a YOUNG galaxy, not an old one. Look up in the sky at night and you will see a much older galaxy, the one we live in.
04:42 PM on 10/23/2010
You need to learn a little bit of basic cosmology.
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Bogstomper2
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05:17 PM on 10/23/2010
"Since the Milky Way is estimated to be more than 13 billion years old..."

What's your source for that? The Wiki article on the Milky Way says that there's at least on star in the galactic halo that's estimated to be more than 13 billion years old, but the disk is estimated to be about 8.8 billion years old.

"Also, the Hubble photos show a YOUNG galaxy..."

Of course they do, because the light we're seeing from that galaxy is from a time when that galaxy was young.
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04:29 PM on 10/21/2010
Ya see, if you had a Science Section, there would be a great place to put these type of stories, as they may not necessarily be Green articles.
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notdarkyet
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11:30 PM on 10/21/2010
Yes. I keep saying this. How is astronomy green? What about the archeological find in Egypt? They are trying to fit a false concept into their own warped categories. We need a Science Section. When the arctic ice melting story first came up today first it was in tech.
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MaybeMilo
"You can't fight in here. This is the War room!"
12:04 PM on 10/22/2010
Jeez, you're right: there is NO science section!

...and yet they have a religion section?

How comforting.
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12:32 PM on 10/22/2010
Maybe they think that Dr Laza would be insulted for not having his blogs posted in the Science Section if they had one- i know they love him and allow all manner of author-modding on his pseudo-science posts.
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donaldinks
and so it goes...
11:53 AM on 10/21/2010
"When you look out into the night sky, and you see the stars far away, you're seeing them because of the light that has traveled from them to you.

But it takes time for the light to travel here. So what we're doing is seeing the stars as they were in the past, in the amount of time it has taken for the light to reach us. The further, and further away the stars are, the further back in time we're looking.

Now we're seeing a star that, let's say, is 6,000 years ago. Imagine somebody on that star looking at us. They would be seeing us as we were 6,000 years ago.

Which of those two is "now"?

So space and time are linked together. We are looking across the space, we are looking back in time."

Frank Close
02:31 PM on 10/21/2010
so...if we're looking at a star 6,000 light-years away, we can see the creation?
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donaldinks
and so it goes...
11:20 AM on 10/22/2010
No.

No One Can.
12:15 PM on 10/24/2010
Of that particular star...sure.
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04:40 AM on 10/21/2010
gravity propagates at 10,000x the speed of light,
expaining away the problems of quantum entanglement
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StephenJK
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07:41 AM on 10/25/2010
Are you talking black holes or what?
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05:23 AM on 11/01/2010
in general. funny thing about these 'theoretical' black holes- shoot an austin powers type laser next to one (at the speed of light of course) and what is claimed to happen? the black hole will BEND the light? trouble is - when pulling , or bending the light, that is an ACCELERATION, and therefore making the laser light beam go faster then it was - which is a big no no. oh well back to the drawing board
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Joffan
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
12:44 AM on 10/26/2010
Sez you. Unfortunately for you, the tests that have been done on the speed of gravitational propagation, for example by Gravity Probe B, prove you wrong.
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07:37 AM on 11/02/2010
i was unaware that either gravity probe A or B was attempting to independently measure the propagation speed of gravity, nor can i find it in any documentation. i thought it was to
measure relativistic effects of gravity and 'prove einsteins theories correct'
(nothing like announcing the results beforehand)

you may be interested in some links that einstein didnt come up with either of 'his'
relativity theories first, the energy mass equivalence was established in 1900, a better
and full lorentz relativity equation in 1904, even using the term relativity before
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_disputes

sadly , though NASA cant even get Newtons own word and ideas correct,
as their website incorrectly states Newton said gravity is an attractive force
(in the gravity probe B nutshell page)
http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/168809main_gpb_nutshell-0506.pdf

of course everyone knows in the Principia Newton strongly hints at gravity being a PUSHING force. here are interesting links for gravity 'push' and speed of gravitational propagation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sage%27s_theory_of_gravitation
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zelda777
transcend the B. S.
11:06 PM on 10/20/2010
Hubble Telescope pictures have intrigued me for years. The classic one above was published in the National Geographic with the following information:

The little dots of light in this picture are not mere stars, but entire galaxies.

This picture represents a piece of the "sky" that would appear, from a human point of view from Earth, to be the size of a mere grain of sand...held out at an arm's length. In other words, in one little grain of sand are contained countless galaxies.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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notdarkyet
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11:32 PM on 10/21/2010
I have been fascinated by the hubble since the first pictures. Wonder where god lives.
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rambot02
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10:51 PM on 10/20/2010
There is not truth whatsoever to the rumor that a McCain For Congress bumper sticker was observed orbiting within this galaxy.

=^..^=
10:26 PM on 10/20/2010
12/21/2012 GAME OVER.
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garder54
07:56 AM on 10/21/2010
Plus or minus 60 days
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StephenJK
All your consciousness are belong to us
07:42 AM on 10/25/2010
Trust me, the earth desperately needs that reset button...
10:04 PM on 10/20/2010
The first thing what came to mind is that God must be a very, very old man / woman if or when he created this galaxy so many many billion years ago.
In other words, how in sciences name can anybody teach "intelligent design"?

I second that the HuffPo needs a science section.
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notdarkyet
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11:33 PM on 10/21/2010
3rd.
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TakeSake
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12:06 AM on 10/22/2010
2^2'd.