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'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Extended Indefinitely By Federal Appeals Court

LISA LEFF   11/ 1/10 08:33 PM ET   AP

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Lt. Dan Choi, pictured, is among the openly gay servicemembers expelled from the military under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

SAN FRANCISCO — A federal appeals court on Monday indefinitely extended its freeze on a judge's order halting enforcement of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, heightening pressure on the Obama administration to persuade the U.S. Senate to repeal the law before a new Congress is sworn in.

A divided three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals granted the U.S. government's request for a stay while it challenges the trial court's ruling that the ban on openly gay service members is unconstitutional.

The same panel, composed of two judges appointed by President Ronald Reagan and one appointed by President Bill Clinton, on Oct. 20 imposed a temporary hold keeping "don't ask, don't tell" in place.

Monday's decision means gay Americans who disclose their sexual orientations still can't enlist in the armed forces and can be investigated and ultimately discharged if they already are serving.

"We continue to warn service members that it is unsafe to come out as long as this law remains on the books," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network.

In an eight-page order, two judges said they were persuaded by the Department of Justice's argument that U.S. District Court Judge Virginia Phillips' worldwide injunction against the policy "will seriously disrupt ongoing and determined efforts by the Administration to devise an orderly change."

"The public interest in enduring orderly change of this magnitude in the military – if that is what is to happen – strongly militates in favor of a stay," Judges Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain and Stephen S. Trott wrote in their majority order. "Furthermore, if the administration is successful in persuading Congress to eliminate (the policy), this case and controversy will become moot."

Another reason they gave for imposing the freeze was decisions by four other federal appeals courts that cast doubt on whether Phillips exceeded her authority and ignored existing legal precedents when she concluded gays could not serve in the military without having their First Amendment rights breached.

Judge William Fletcher entered a partial dissent, saying he would have preferred the panel had heard oral arguments before granting the stay. Fletcher said he thinks "don't tell, don't tell" should not be used to discharge any existing service members while the case was on appeal.

"Defendants would not be required during the pendency of the appeal to change their recruiting practices, to change their personnel manuals, or, subject only to the requirement that they not actually discharge anyone, otherwise to change their practices," Fletcher said.

President Barack Obama repeatedly has said he opposes "don't ask, don't tell" but favors ending it legislatively instead of through the courts. Over the summer, he worked with Democrats to write a bill that would have lifted the ban, pending completion of a Defense Department review due Dec. 1. The legislation passed the House but was blocked in the Senate.

The president has pledged to push for another vote during Congress' lame duck session after Tuesday's elections.

"The president claims to want to see 'don't ask, don't tell' ended. It is time that he stop talking and start working to make a real difference for gay and lesbian Americans by pushing for repeal when Congress returns," said R. Clarke Cooper, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans, the gay rights group that sued to overturn "don't ask, don't tell" in Phillips' court,

The court ordered the government to submit its brief in its broader appeal by Jan. 24 and gave Log Cabin Republicans until Feb. 22 to reply. It did not schedule oral arguments in the case.

"For the reasons stated in the government's submission to the appellate court, we believe the stay is appropriate," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.

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Associated Press Writer Julie Watson in San Diego contributed to this report.

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Bob Wood
A.T.C.G...(sigh)
07:13 PM on 11/05/2010
DADT is wrong, was wrong, gonna be wrong until it's done away with. There are gay people, always have been, always will be. They are just human beings like the rest of us great apes. When we accept or reject people for any other reason than the quality of their character...we lose. These men and women have always been in the military and most all have served honorably. It is the 21st century and the attitudes indoctrinated into us all by the ancient texts of mythology and superstition are no longer valid (They never were). We need reason today...and reason dictates that there is no reason to deny LGBT people there human rights. It is time for humanity, compassion...and just doing the right thing...(sigh)
08:59 PM on 11/03/2010
The combat portion of the military is comprised of young men and women from the red states and the military votes in the majority for Republican candidates. You should thank them for being their to give you the right to express your many uneducated opinions. Question -- how many of the experts on solving the issues of the military have ever served in the military?
04:51 PM on 11/03/2010
for an "inside" look at this issue, go to "www.dontaskdotellonline.com"
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Mark Morlock
Justice is blind I think God is too.
06:55 PM on 11/02/2010
I don't think that the Obama administration is going to have to worry too much if Congress goes to the Republicans. I don't support "Don't ask, Don't tell" because it's discrimination but the way things are going it's just a matter of time before the freeze on it is overturned. I hate to say it but that's what I foresee.
06:06 PM on 11/02/2010
The ascension of the republicans means progressives have to not only work hard but also work smart!
As I read through some of the posts, I realize we have to get up to par a lot faster. Attacking the one president who will work for repeal of DADT does not help.
What does help is the many post on here from people explaining why this is so important. Believe it or not, it moves many of us to question or selves and a commitment to equality.

I'm about action. The first step is to build the coalitions ( that has already started). The second is a good strategy with ground game. Moving the masses IS what changes things. People with no skin in the game generally don't see the importance of an issue.

We all have issues that are in doubt should the repubs take over, so vote and lets get moving on the strategy. The one thing President Obama taught the world was how to organize. Don't let the Tea Party beat us at our own game.
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JayJonson
07:40 PM on 11/03/2010
I am also about action, but Obama is just about "studies" and stalling so he can suck up to Gates. If our President is in favor of ending DADT, he has certainly gone about doing so in a way designed to make sure that it will not be done. No wonder no one trusts Obama to do anything he says he wants to do.
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erehwon2
05:33 PM on 11/02/2010
I'd really like to know about this "orderly change" which the military insists it needs. Once the law is changed, I doubt there will be droves of gays signing up to serve, so there would be no huge influx of gay recruits. So do they think the gays currently in the service will suddenly leap out of the closet and shout "Boo!"?

I understand that morale can be a delicate thing, particularly in a time of war. But recent surveys show most service people and their families have no objection to gays serving openly. The rest should be tough enough to deal with it.
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10:37 PM on 11/02/2010
The military did not come up with the "orderly change" argument.

It is the Obama DOJ lawyers arguing their case that the injunction be stayed.

They have to say something. (Even though it appears they did not want to.)

Does anyone know AG Holder's whereabouts? Is he cringing in shame at this ridiculous WH dissimulation? If so, he should RESIGN. Then I would respect him.
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JayJonson
07:41 PM on 11/03/2010
Yes, Holder should resign. He has been a disaster.
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Turtlenews
02:59 PM on 11/02/2010
Some of the misinformation on here : Has my head shaking
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PitBull6
02:54 PM on 11/02/2010
Ah some sanity. Maybe the Stewart thing had an effect after all.
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02:29 PM on 11/02/2010
he pair of judges who ruled in favor of the Govt don't realize that DADT caused such havoc that Gates and his secretaries had to take over its enforcement.
The Secs of the various services presumable have more important things to do than serve as the DADT arbiters. How many wars are going on now?
Obama's frivolousness and political calculation is typical of his party, and why DEMS lose elections. What does he stand for? He certainly is eloquent, but it's a gift he misuses. Maybe because he wants to keep quiet about what he really believes.
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jeremyfive
01:48 PM on 11/02/2010
This is a very dark time for America. It is impossible to "support the troops" under the pathetic and bigoted terms by which the American military is run. It is a disgrace that we are criminalizing our brightest and best volunteers who desire to serve their country.

Will the military ever emerge from the pathetic and weak state that it is now in?
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01:56 PM on 11/02/2010
The military is under civilian control. Blame the civilians for abdicating their responsibilities.
04:19 PM on 11/02/2010
Absolutely. If it was the other way around we would be electing Aung San Suu Kyi to our congress and we would be in Burma.
04:20 PM on 11/02/2010
And we would all be in jail.
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Turtlenews
02:54 PM on 11/02/2010
All Gay Troops should Come out in Mass
01:24 PM on 11/02/2010
I've gotta go vote straight Dem because someones gotta try to keep these garbage baggers from wiping their butts with the Constitution.

Later
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
01:17 PM on 11/02/2010
DADT defenders can relax. From here I see ultimately no executive, judicial or legislative opposition to the status quo. And don't get me started on DOMA.
01:16 PM on 11/02/2010
I am amazed that people actually believe the President when he says that DADT will end on his watch after he has done practically everything he can to ensure it won't.
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
01:25 PM on 11/02/2010
I think it's called denial.
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01:46 PM on 11/02/2010
He is not in denial. It's him being a prima donna.
01:42 PM on 11/02/2010
Not surprisingly, you don't have a clue.
01:51 PM on 11/02/2010
I obviously have a enough of a clue that you couldn't refute what I said.
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jasev01
12:46 PM on 11/02/2010
and I guess that guy is tossed out again.
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behindEnemyLines
Put down the talking point pamphlet.
12:44 PM on 11/02/2010
Good job Mr. President. You could have let this ruling stand while it was worked out in the Senate. You did not have to appeal. There is no rule no law compelling you to appeal. You did so because you wanted to. You care more about getting the full credit for this than doing what’s right.
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zenlikejen
It's alright, I'll call the waambulance....
12:51 PM on 11/02/2010
Yeah, insisting it be a full Dog & Pony show is ridiculous....you're probably right on this one.
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01:02 PM on 11/02/2010
The President's ego gets in the way of doing the right thing again and again. Good thing Presidents have term limits.
01:13 PM on 11/02/2010
Americans will vote to ensure he is limited to one term.