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Parents Are Biggest Obstacle To Pot Legalization: Survey

First Posted: 11/02/10 06:51 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:10 PM ET

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UPDATE: California voters have rejected proposition 19, according to exit polls. The White House drug czar released a chest-thumping statement. "Today, Californians recognized that legalizing marijuana will not make our citizens healthier, solve California's budget crisis, or reduce drug related violence in Mexico," said Gil Kerlikowske in a statement. "The Obama Administration has been clear in its opposition to marijuana legalization because research shows that marijuana use is associated with voluntary treatment admissions for addiction, fatal drugged driving accidents, mental illness, and emergency room admissions."

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Pot smokers hoping that Tuesday's California election will finally bring an end to marijuana prohibition are running into a familiar enemy: parents.

Proposition 19, which had been leading through much of the campaign, is now trailing in every survey. Support has declined fastest and hardest among those aged 40-49, the age demographic most likely to have children old enough to be thinking about -- or already -- smoking pot.

When those parents answered the survey earlier in the election, pot legalization was more idea than reality. As an idea, voters between 40 and 49 supported legalization by a 15-point margin of 53-38 in a survey released by the Field Poll, the gold standard for public-opinion research in California, in September. At the end of October, as the idea came closer to becoming a reality, that demographic flipped. A 15-point margin turned into a 13-point deficit. Nine percent remained undecided in both surveys. The unheard-of 28-point swing among a fifth of the electorate explains roughly half of the overall drop in the polls. Support among baby boomers aged 50-64 stayed constant in the survey. Among those aged 18-39, support fell from 59-33 to 54-38 over the course of a month. And those 65 and older backed away from the initiative as well, where support dropped from 36-29.

People in their 40s are most likely to have children who are teenagers. The question then for those parents when they head into the voting booth is, who they are thinking about: their kids or themselves?

The Field Poll is conducted by live interviewers, but an automated SurveyUSA poll shows a less pronounced decline among those who would be likely to have teenagers. Perhaps the shift in support in the Field Poll is a random statistical deviation, but frightened parents were the major driver of the anti-pot backlash that began in the late 1970s and paved the way for the ramp-up of the war on drugs.

Automated polls have been starkly different than live surveys in the polling around Proposition 19, with live interviewers finding support much lower, leading observers to conclude that voters are for some reason or other not inclined to express support for legalizing pot over the phone.

Organizers are hopeful that high youth turnout will carry Prop 19 over the objections of their elders. Tom Angell, a spokesman for Yes on 19, said that youth turnout is so high at the polling location at San Diego State University that the station ran out of provisional ballots by the morning.

The Prop 19 campaign provided the following memo, which outlines its case for why the measure can still prevail:

To: Interested Parties From: Chris Lehane and Dan Newman Date: October 31, 2010 Re: Election Day Report

With Election Day just days away, Proposition 19 is looking history in the eye and not blinking.

Proposition 19 is where it is today because of the support, energy and commitment this campaign has received from every corner of the state. Proposition 19 reflects the mosaic that is California -- Democrats, Republicans and Independents; Labor and Business; people of all colors and creeds; north and south; east and west; and even Dodgers, Angels, Padres and Giants fans.

And like the San Francisco Giants - we are focused on making history.

Many politicians are talking a good game when it comes to change but Proposition 19 shows that for real change to happen we the people must lead -- and then the politicians will follow.

In the context of Election Day, polls that are all over the map and countless stories discussing the impact of Proposition 19, we wanted to provide you an update on the campaign's strategy and game plan as we close out this election.

Strategically, while 19 is a "Yes" vote, and therefore has the burden of proof to make its case, there is a "No" element to the initiative - and that is to pose the question to voters as to whether they believe the current prohibition approach has worked.

Provocative "Yes" campaigns have historically won by framing the issue with an effective closing argument. On this issue a large majority of voters already agree with the final premise, because they share the perspective that the current system of prohibition is a failure.

The closing argument is being made by compelling voices including law enforcement and moms that are focused on four messages:

1. Prohibition has not worked and reform is needed;
2. 19 will allow us to fight the drug cartels by taking away the black market;
3. 19, by treating marijuana like alcohol, will make it harder for kids to get marijuana; and
4. 19 will generate massive new revenue for the state.

In addition, the campaign benefits from a few key dynamics endemic to this subject:

Youth Energy

California is likely to have the largest turnout of voters under 40 out of all the states, an effect being driven by this initiative. Traditional predictions of the mid-term electorate makeup will not apply to California this time because of the unprecedented excitement surrounding Prop. 19. President Obama benefited from the so-called first time Obama Voters in 2008 -- and Prop 19 is going to benefit from people turning out to vote because this initiative is on the ballot.

Sophisticated GOTV & Campus Effort

With partner organizations like Courage Campaign, Drug Policy Alliance, Students for Sensible Drug Policy, NORML, Just Say Now, California Young Democrats, and California College Republicans, etc, phone banks are running across the country and calling thousands of voters. We are additionally partnering with coordinated field efforts, including active teams across 25 major California campuses.

State of the Art Technologies

The campaign's predictive dialer lets us reach 5x more voters than traditional phone banking. A series of statewide, telephone town halls have allowed us to reach tens of thousands of undecided voters in the comfort of their own homes while allowing them to pose questions directly to the campaign. At our last town hall, support surged 17 points over the course of the call.

Yes on 19 continues to dominate in social networking, e.g. on Facebook we have 225,000 followers, more than any other political issue or candidate in California.

Great Silent Majority

Pollsters' 'likely voter' models undercount first-time, young and occasional voters who are most excited about 19.

Voter Frustration

Voters have increasingly become angrier and angrier at the establishment, and this is the most anti-establishment initiative nationally this cycle.

Early Voting

20-25% of the vote happened in the first ten days of absentee voting, when polls indicated 19 was ahead (and the banked votes presumably would reflect those polls).

Paid TV

Our first TV ad aired this week targeting women in the LA market and youth, African-Americans and Latinos elsewhere. It has received over 100K views on YouTube as well as coverage in all major media outlets, including MSNBC and Fox News Channel. Internal polls show the ad swings votes 8 points in 19's favor. Recent polls were all conducted prior to our going up on the air.

Polls Undercount Support

Respondents are less forthright on controversial issues and 19 performs significantly better in automated surveys than with live interviewers. Pollster Nate Silver has documented this 'reverse Bradley effect.' Support will be even higher in the privacy of a voting booth.

Historic Precedent

There is documented reality that marijuana reforms always under-poll and over-perform. In 2008, a Massachusetts decriminalization initiative received 14 more points in the actual ballot box than polls indicated just one week earlier.

Together these factors put 19 in a better position to win on Election Day than is indicated by the mainstream media narrative.

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UPDATE: California voters have rejected proposition 19, according to exit polls. The White House drug czar released a chest-thumping statement. "Today, Californians recognized that legalizing marijuan...
UPDATE: California voters have rejected proposition 19, according to exit polls. The White House drug czar released a chest-thumping statement. "Today, Californians recognized that legalizing marijuan...
 
 
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ver1tas
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04:55 PM on 11/03/2010
oh god here we go again....

when I was in high school there were a few kids, rich white priviledged backgrounds, 4.0 straight A students, bunch of extracurricular activitied, the type to gey voted "most likely to become president of the US" senior year crap... They got HIGH as a kite before EVERY test they took & said they wouldnt have the grades they do if it weren't for pot because of their test taking anxieties .. Also kids were getting stoned by the masses for their ACTs and SATs..

& prop 19 isnt about making pot legal in the workplace.. employers would still have the same rights to their anti-alcohol & anti-drug policies so dont spin it into something its not
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ver1tas
One nation under surveillance.
05:00 PM on 11/03/2010
sorry, this should have been a reply to "liberalpolicysucks" but it didnt post that way for some reason.. my phone sucks!
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ver1tas
One nation under surveillance.
04:15 PM on 11/03/2010
Just a bunch of parents wanting everyone else to do their parenting for them.
12:59 PM on 11/03/2010
Parents, let's keep in mind that if our kids DO get a little off track and get caught with a little pot, there are people who want to put them in jail with the sexual predators. Let's not let that happen! Let's get marijuana out of the criminal justice system and let parents work with their kids at home, and not have to visit them in jail! (To say nothing of watching their college financial aid get destroyed).
10:17 AM on 11/03/2010
It makes me really wonder what sort of path this country is going to where people aren't educated enough to think critically for themselves. It seems most want someone else to think for them and give them a premade perspective on things. For shame America!

"The Obama Administration has been clear in its opposition to marijuana legalization because research shows that marijuana use is associated with voluntary treatment admissions for addiction, fatal drugged driving accidents, mental illness, and emergency room admissions."

Wait, lets see here.. let me change this up a little bit because I think i've seen this before somewhere else.

"The Example Administration has been clear in its opposition to alcohol legalization because research shows that alcohol use is associated with voluntary treatment admissions for addiction, fatal drugged driving accidents, mental illness, and emergency room admissions."

See what I did there? I find it funny that Obama mentions how research shows its associated with voluntary treatment admissions for addiction. But that is a specific view on the facts. Those numbers for voluntary rehab admissions mainly come from the court system. Which in fact requires anyone caught with marijuana to voluntarily sign up for rehab for marijuana, or go to prison by not meeting the terms of your probation. So in essence, the large numbers of people seeking treatment arent really seeking it, but forced into it against their will by ways of serious consequences otherwise. And that sure makes research numbers look good.
12:48 PM on 11/03/2010
Good points. I have known a ton of pot smokers, and none of them have ever felt the need to seek treatment. Now - the people I have known who had alcohol problems? They are either hopeless drunks or in and out of rehab.
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DougDeWitt
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03:40 PM on 11/03/2010
Only one fan, and so astute in your observational skills? Allow me to claim the #2 position...

The Obama Administration to which Mr. Kerlikowske alludes here, would include Eric Holder, US Attorney General, attached to the Justice Department, and therefore in Mr. Obama's cabinet. By definition, he is within the Executive Branch, and the President's "dog".

Prop 19 was riding high in the polls until Mr. Holder announced to the world that the Justice Department would aggressively prosecute even small-time at-home users if California passed Prop 19: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/15/eric-holder-to-prosecute-_n_764153.html

In the course of his threat, AG Holder stated that "legalizing recreational marijuana would be a "significant impediment" to the government's joint efforts with state and local law enforcement to target drug traffickers, who often distribute pot alongside cocaine and other drugs." No, stupid... if you remove pot from its place alongside cocaine and other drugs, those who want to smoke pot will not have some dealer "pushing" the REALLY dangerous "other drugs" in their inventory... leading to a dramatic decline in their use.

Also contradictory, the growing body of evidence confirms that cannabinoids such as THC reduce the incidence of so many different kinds of cancer (the latest being breast cancer !! See: "Could Legalizing Marijuana in California Help Cure Breast Cancer?" here: http://realneo.us/content/pres-obama-research-proving-cannabinoids-part-bodily-system-play-mitigating-role-breast-canc )
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07:50 AM on 11/03/2010
"Automated polls have been starkly different than live surveys in the polling around Proposition 19, with live interviewers finding support much lower, leading observers to conclude that voters are for some reason or other not inclined to express support for legalizing pot over the phone. "

I love this part :-)
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07:40 AM on 11/03/2010
But, but...you told us that the cellphones will save us :-)
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yasunari
Video meliora, proboque, deteriora sequor
06:08 AM on 11/03/2010
"The Obama Administration has been clear in its opposition to marijuana legalization because research shows that marijuana use is associated with voluntary treatment admissions for addiction, fatal drugged driving accidents, mental illness, and emergency room admissions."


I'd like to see those "research" work...
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liberalpolicysucks
Government IS the problem
06:05 AM on 11/03/2010
I really don't see what the big deal is.

If I owned a company in California, and workers came in high, I'd fire them,

Lack of performance...

"but weed is legal now, you can't fire me"

well, so is alcohol, you come in drunk your gone as well...

Pot leads to people sitting around too much and not working.
08:54 AM on 11/03/2010
I'm in college, most of my campus is full of pot heads, all the pot heads I know are good students. don't give me that Reganomics anti-pot propaganda.
01:06 PM on 11/03/2010
Seriously. My husband is a legal MMJ patient, runs his own very successful business and is one of the hardest-working people I have ever met. And an awesome spouse and father.
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liberalpolicysucks
Government IS the problem
06:19 PM on 11/03/2010
well, I'm in college too, and there are a descent amount of pot heads,

and some make good grades

most don't

and the fact is, I wouldn't want anybody working of the influence of any drug
12:55 PM on 11/03/2010
For some reason, my previous reply wouldn't post. All I want to point out is that "Pot leads to people sitting around too much and not working." is a myth. You are surrounded everyday by people who smoke and live normal productive lives. They just know there is a stigma attached to smoking so they don't talk about it with nonsmokers. I have known countless business owners, lawyers, doctors and other very responsible members of society who smoke when not at work. It isn't the scary thing that some people think it is.
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liberalpolicysucks
Government IS the problem
06:22 PM on 11/03/2010
that's the thing, when not at work

If you read my comment, I said came to work high, nothing about outside of work...
05:52 AM on 11/03/2010
How hard do parents think pot is to get? Sigh......
Also no matter how hard they think there right and pound there chest in Washington it doesn't change the fact that Alcohol is 20x worse. Or how about everyone knows this just had todo with rope making policy in the early 1900's (government corruption) yet we still uphold this dumb prohibition.
12:59 PM on 11/03/2010
Seems to me that parents should be first in line to vote for legalization. Do you want your kid going to some creepy dealer (because the ones that deal to kids are creepy)? Or do you want them to smoke something that may be laced with something nasty? Think people.
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LaPlacaRifa48619
05:31 AM on 11/03/2010
Look for excuses, if you must.
But, it's time to acknowledge defeat, move on, and rethink what cost the proposition the chance to become law. Then with that knowledge, begin drafting the next chapter in this battle.

For this is a battle that will never end--for neither side has any stake in compromise.

And as for "parents being the problem."
Without your parents actions, kiddoes--you wouldn't even be here!

Face the facts--the end result is...your side lost!
What you do next will determine if you can reverse the trend, and gain what you want...or suffer yet another political take-down from not learning how to rectify your mistakes.

Excuses don't matter, nor does delusion about "voter fraud" that I have seen on other websites.
What matters now is to learn from this, redraft your next attempt--and take it from there!

Simple, is it not?
--RKJ
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bud812
05:06 AM on 11/03/2010
Well when your kids end up in jail for trying pot and their future is upended by a conviction maybe then these people may change their minds about pot!
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sunnybunny
10:29 AM on 11/03/2010
No they'll blame pot.
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iuriggs6
Sure thing. Shoot, Timmy.
12:05 PM on 11/03/2010
My kids will no better.
01:00 PM on 11/03/2010
or will they know better? Do they no how to spel?
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ver1tas
One nation under surveillance.
05:03 PM on 11/03/2010
Hah.. Yeah that's what most parents think...
04:51 AM on 11/03/2010
Propaganda won out on this one. It is too bad too.

I don't think parents really thought about this one. Keeping illegal makes it easier for children to get. Prohibition did not work in the 20s with alcohol and lead to the largest increase in crime then anything before. It allows for a black market that fuels murderous drug cartels to keep power.
04:47 AM on 11/03/2010
As long as the folks that smoke out would move to California, I'd be all for it. Maybe then other states could crank up their drug possession sentencing penalties just to give the cannabis-deficient a bit more incentive to load up the truck and move to Beverly. Hills, that is........
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GG NV
Define the Future by Learning the Past
03:53 AM on 11/03/2010
Finally common sense prevails in not legalizing pot.
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A Thomas
04:41 AM on 11/03/2010
How is the hell is that common sense? Its Legal in several countries in Europe. This why America is not exceptional its dysfunctional, believing the Wars On Poverty, excuse me Drugs is a failure but doesn't want to solve it with a simple law overturning 30+ years of DEA control of access to drugs which is largely allowed.

You FAIL, go back to the end of the longest line.
08:57 AM on 11/03/2010
Prohibition didn't work with alcohol and its certainly not working now with pot, its the easiest thing in the world for a 13 year old to get a hold of and thats because its illegal. legalize it, regulate it, and call it a damn day. idiots.
03:29 AM on 11/03/2010
Pot is illegal (I dont even smoke it)
Gays have a lesser status and cant get married
Health care for the poor/middle class is often non existent
Wages are stagnant for the last two decades, yet the upper classes are getting richer
Television can not broadcast nudity nor profanity, even in late night, but TV and video games can show violence continuously.

I do not identify with the country of my origin
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A Thomas
04:42 AM on 11/03/2010
As I said this proves America is not exceptional, its DYSFUNCTIONAL.