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Extended Unemployment Could Outlast Extended Unemployment Insurance

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First Posted: 11/05/10 12:03 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:10 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- The government announced Friday morning that the unemployment situation barely changed in October. The unemployment rate has been stuck above nine percent for a year and a half as nearly 15 million people are out of work. They will remain so for the foreseeable future, according to most estimates.

People who lost their jobs more recently may get less of a cushion than people laid off at the beginning of the recession. That's because Congress may lose its appetite for reauthorizing the extended unemployment insurance it created in 2008 and 2009.

According to the Labor Department, 6.2 million people -- 41.8 percent of all unemployed -- have been out of work for longer than six months. State governments provide jobless benefits for layoff victims for those first six months, and the federal government traditionally picks up the rest during recessions.

To fight the worst recession since the Great Depression, Congress has given the unemployed in hardest-hit states an unprecedented 73 weeks of additional benefits. During the second-worst recession in the early 1980s, Congress provided 55 weeks. It didn't begin to take them away until unemployment dropped to 7.2 percent.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told HuffPost on Thursday that reauthorizing the 73 weeks is her third priority in the upcoming lame duck session, after dealing with the expiring Bush tax cuts and providing a $250 cost-of-living benefit for Social Security recipients.

But once Congress reconvenes on Nov. 15, Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will have just two weeks before the extended benefits expire at the end of the month. Republicans and conservative Democrats held up the previous reauthorization for nearly two months.

The progressive Economic Policy Institute estimates that keeping extended unemployment benefits through 2011 would create 723,000 jobs at a cost of $65 billion, or 1.7 percent of the White House's projected $3.8 trillion budget for that year. Most economists regard unemployment insurance as among the most economically stimulative fiscal policies.

It will be extremely difficult for lame-duck Democrats to get such a lengthy reauthorization. The previous four efforts each lasted for a few months at a time. If the next reauthorization is similarly short, that means it will come due on the watch of incoming House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), who will probably not be amenable to tens of billions in deficit spending specifically requested by President Obama. Congressional Democrats have refused to compromise on offsetting the cost of unemployment benefits, which are traditionally given an emergency designation.

"Congress doesn't have to be a lame duck -- it can make a huge impact now by renewing for another year the jobless benefit extensions that expire on November 30th," said Christine Owens, director of the National Employment Law Project, in a statement Friday. "If Congress fails to act, two million workers will be cut off next month alone -- in the heart of the holidays -- and any brief stopgaps will still put millions at risk of cut- offs next year. Congress simply cannot pull the plug on families and businesses if it has any realistic intention to turn things around."

There are lots of people who are still unemployed after 99 weeks of benefits (though nobody knows how many). It's unlikely they'll get any more help from Congress.

President Obama said Friday in light of the bleak employment situation that part of his strategy to create jobs includes "extending unemployment benefits to help those hardest hit by the downturn while generating more demand in the economy."

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WASHINGTON -- The government announced Friday morning that the unemployment situation barely changed in October. The unemployment rate has been stuck above nine percent for a year and a half as nearly...
WASHINGTON -- The government announced Friday morning that the unemployment situation barely changed in October. The unemployment rate has been stuck above nine percent for a year and a half as nearly...
 
 
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LiberalOutlaw
Yes I am and NO you can't watch
05:19 PM on 11/10/2010
The thing is there are only 3 types jobs out there that are truly (for the most part) secure:

1) Healthcare

2) Technology (and even this can be outsourced particularly the computer related jobs)

3) Business

And if you aren't in any of these fields...well I hate to break it to you, but your job is dispensable...and the company you work for probably views you as dispensable too.

If you are resourceful enough to start your own business, that might just be the way to go in this economy.

Also nurses, doctors, and medical specialists have it made right now, particularly because the boomers are aging.

The big problem is, most of these careers involve going back to school, which is time consuming and expensive.

The same people who are complaining about "lazy unemployed bums who won't go to school" are the EXACT SAME PEOPLE who will be spazzing out when thousands of people are so buried in loan debt, the only way to get them to start spending again is to forgive the loan debt.

STUDENTS are the ones who are going to contribute to society by using the skills they learned in college. Corporations only contribute to their own bottom line, and of course they occasionally buy a private jet or two.

In my humble opinion, we need to give STUDENTS a bailout not big evil corporations.

But that's just me, a lowly college student. What do I know?
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angry in ct
They speak English in What?
11:12 AM on 11/09/2010
As a long term unemployed individual (and 99er to boot), I always got angry when I would read comments attached to article like this one that ask "how long are we supposed to extend benefits" or "at what point do we continue to fund the unemployed". However, as time has gone on, I am beginning to see that unemployment in this country is no longer an "emergency" situation but a chronic one, and as such I am starting to see the logic of what these and other folks are saying (and this is coming from a 99er mind you).

If all of the key economists in this country are correct about the unemployment rate staying where it is now and for the forseeable future, what will change after, say, 20 weeks from now compared to where we are today? If the EUC is extended again after November 30 until say June or July of 2011 (with a possible tier V or long tier IV weeks), what will be different in July 2011 that is current in November 2010?

The only thing that needs to happen is that if UI is extended again, there has to be a job creation/tax break bill attached to it (much like the one Debbie Stabenow of MI had tried to introduce in late summer). I do not want to spend the rest of my life on UI, and putting a band aid on a broken leg won't cut it anymore.
04:26 PM on 11/14/2010
Kudos for having the courage to examine a position that is against your immediate short-term interests. That puts you far ahead of the vast majority of today's politicians.
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angry in ct
They speak English in What?
05:26 PM on 11/14/2010
Thanks for the reply, but please understand something.

Like many 99ers who are in my shoes, I will not refuse any additional weeks either tacked on an existing tier IV or via a tier V should that become available. What my broader point was is that there needs to be a 30, 60, 90 and 120 days or longer plan to stimulate or create jobs IN ADDITION to any present or future extension or reauthorization of benefits.
12:36 PM on 11/08/2010
come on there are jobs!
it's just that they pay less than a baby sitter and are taxed, and part time
those people with jobs are on the edge so they don't spend, the unemployed don't spend and the ultra rich are buying gold?
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dragonladywaltham
politicians are SUPPOSED to serve Americans
10:30 PM on 11/06/2010
No kidding. There are millions of us that are proof. We are now running out of "cake".
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ligligl
feelthy liberal! ...and not just a pretty face!
09:32 PM on 11/06/2010
Talk about radicalizing the underclass. Remember Communism? Want to see it come back as a populist mnovement? You're doing a great job .
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LiberalOutlaw
Yes I am and NO you can't watch
07:38 PM on 11/10/2010
Any time somebody tries to tell me that socialist democracy is an oxymoron, all I have to say, is that I have three words for you:

1.) Denmark

2.) Switzerland

3.) Netherlands
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ragtag
11:19 AM on 11/06/2010
Not "could", but "will"...
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Downrivers
Siskiyou Mountains
12:29 PM on 11/06/2010
no doubt. EUC is toast.
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dimplesmile7
09:58 AM on 11/06/2010
Technically the government really is not losing money by doing the extension. All of the money will be recirculated back into the economy.
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ragtag
10:34 AM on 11/06/2010
That doesn't make a lot of sense.

The only thing the government gets back are the taxes paid on the unemployment benefits. The rest of the money (unless spent on some kind of other government run business) goes into the private sector. A lot of it ends up in grocery stores and the pockets of big oil...
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dragonladywaltham
politicians are SUPPOSED to serve Americans
10:32 PM on 11/06/2010
Who contribute to paying taxes. If the unemployed did not purchase items, more businesses would lay off and go under.
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OSCPJ
Want it? Work 4 it. No 1 has ever drown in sweat.
08:43 PM on 11/06/2010
So if we gave everyone a Billion each, it would be a net zero for the govt?
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batmancw
Turn fear against those who prey on the fearful
09:54 AM on 11/06/2010
So, what exactly IS a "workable" solution? Considering that we need about 6 years of 400,000 jobs created per month to get the levels back down to 5-6%, I cannot imagine continuing to pass extension after extension. At the same time, I cannot imagine leaving folks without the help that UI provides while they are waiting for the job growth to catch up with demand. So, as there's a lot of smart folks who post here--suggestions?
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ragtag
11:21 AM on 11/06/2010
The argument from the right has been the same forever. If you increase the taxes on the rich (>$250K), then they stop spending money which in turn affects hiring. That's basically bull$hit. What they do with their new found windfall is usually bank it and let it do its thing while they do something else. Why mess with a new employee when you can be lazy and do basically nothing beyond plopping it in an account somewhere while you do something else like vacation or play golf?

So, give them the tax credits for the value of "new hires" only.

Make them put their money where their mouths are...
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dragonladywaltham
politicians are SUPPOSED to serve Americans
10:36 PM on 11/06/2010
The Government should start projects to improve our infrastructure like in the 30's. Faster rail transportation, repair bridges and roads etc. The more people working. the more demand on business, the more need for increased employment.
09:13 AM on 11/06/2010
As someone who faced long term ( 6 month) unemployment when benefits ran out at 13 weeks with NO extensions, I know first hand the damage it does to a person's well being.

The big difference between then and now is the numbers of people in the same unemployed boat have removed the stigma of being unemployed. For too long the first quested asked was "what did you do?" Often the person did nothing, just worked for a poorly managed company that was looted by those dwelling above the glass ceiling.

We are in for a very rough two years as the "winners" of the recent election try to hold to the "CUT SPENDING" motto as millions stay unemployed and the poverty overtakes the once mightly middle class.

Many candidates are as clueless to the nature of governing as the majority of voters. It was interesting that in my district thousands of voters vocally announced their opposition to any sitting candidate. A local dog garnered more than 3,000 votes for a seat on the city council.

People may be fed up. But, if you don't offer real solutions you only make the problem worse.
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ragtag
11:24 AM on 11/06/2010
"if you don't offer real solutions you only make the problem worse."

Too true!
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angry in ct
They speak English in What?
11:28 AM on 11/06/2010
It's almost like we are reliving that old axion from the 60's: if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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time4change2009
09:12 AM on 11/06/2010
The Pubs would rather Americans JUST STARVE !
Pathetic !
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ragtag
10:35 AM on 11/06/2010
A lot of people voted for their own economic demise...
11:15 PM on 11/07/2010
You got that right and they are not even smart enough to know it.
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dimplesmile7
09:09 AM on 11/06/2010
I believe the benefits should be extended and more money should be poured into the economy for job training, job creation and tax breaks for companies that hire the unemployed.
earth4all
Hillary 2016
08:17 AM on 11/06/2010
These benefits should be extended; however, a real JOBS program is what is needed. Time to be bold on both sides of the aisle if we are to believe your saying job creation and economic growth is the first priority. Rep. you cannot have it both ways.....eventually people will catch on to your double speak and once again the pendulum will swing against you and resoundingly.
05:48 PM on 11/09/2010
Finance has decided against that. They are the ones behind the "no more stimulus" message- it was their money that won the Repubs their victory.

To them, the U.S. is just any other 3rd World country. If we have a permanent underclass- so what? As long as the underclass isn't violent and out of control it's no big deal...
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rel77
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused
03:01 AM on 11/06/2010
It is worth noting that the countries we are often asked to compare ourselves to are countries like India and China, countries that are doing very well in certain segments of the economy. What is always unsaid in these comparisons is the fact that these countries also contain grinding poverty, which we can barely imagine, let alone endorse. This begs the question: do we really want to emulate China or India? Do we want a nation of haves and have nots that approaches that scale? Because if we don't, we need to get used to the idea that profits are not everything, that there is a real and brutal cost to wanting nothing more than whatever you can get, regardless of the human cost.
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mtracy9
05:35 AM on 11/06/2010
China and India are at much different stages of development than the U.S. No one that I know advocates that the U.S. follow these countries economic policies. That said, these two countries' grinding poverty becomes less all the time as more and more of their citizens enter the new middle class.
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ragtag
11:25 AM on 11/06/2010
Thanks in large part to "US"
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dragonladywaltham
politicians are SUPPOSED to serve Americans
10:40 PM on 11/06/2010
We are headed toward corporate slavery as we all have to accept less money for our labor in order to stay alive!!!!
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rel77
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused
02:38 AM on 11/06/2010
We are in a desperate situation, and it has happened because corporations wanted it and we have approved it. The American economy has depended for years on a business model that relied on consumer spending from the upper middle class and profits from the super rich financial sector to bolster our economy. Anyone with any common sense could have seen that this model was unsustainable, that over time we would be unable to keep our comfortable lifestyle without a strong base of good paying jobs across the economic spectrum. What we did instead was abandon education and watch our young people, especially black and latinos who depend on public schools, drop out. We let this happen with no plan for what jobs they might be qualified for, unlike the 20th century, which had plenty of jobs for unskilled, uneducated workers in factories or other manufacturing based jobs. So now we have an economy that only has jobs for college graduates, but more than half our population don't even go to college, let alone graduate. In short, we are screwed. We have been unwilling for decades to pay the taxes that provide for a sustainable society, and instead opted for more disposable income to pay for the luxuries we somehow felt entitled to. We have blown it, and now the piper has come for his pay.
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ragtag
11:27 AM on 11/06/2010
Right on many levels...
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dragonladywaltham
politicians are SUPPOSED to serve Americans
10:43 PM on 11/06/2010
Please, there are college grads AND MBA's unemployed. It is the lack of education of VOTERS that is the problem.
CorpTreason
Fascism... it's what's for breakfast
12:31 AM on 11/06/2010
The stock market has returned high profits over the last two years, even as unemployment has climbed. Corporations are known to be sitting on large stockpiles of cash, but not hiring. We are in this situation because these corporations, which we have given all the same rights and powers as people, are in fact citizens of no nation. They represent an international wealth elite that pledges allegiance only to that borderless "nation." They are traitors to any nation other than that true "fatherland." And the Australian running Fox News is the biggest traitor among them. Unemployment in America will not fall until corporate treason is recognized as exactly that, and all true lovers of their nation band together to force our elected representatives to in both parties to 1) stop accepting campaign contributions from corporations, 2) end all tax breaks for corporations sending jobs abroad, and 3) tighten the rules for granting H1B visas and require that anyone hired with such a visa be paid the same rate and benefits as their American peers so that no cost savings is gained for the employer. Legislation will be needed before any of this happens, and constant public pressure coming from both the left and right is the only thing that is going to force our "leaders" to do anything about a system that they currently owe their power to.
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ragtag
11:29 AM on 11/06/2010
Like I've been saying...www.nosoul-nosay.com
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dragonladywaltham
politicians are SUPPOSED to serve Americans
10:46 PM on 11/06/2010
Exactly right. F&F