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Missile Over California: Pentagon, NASA Experts Say Mystery Plume Was Plane

JOHN ANTCZAK   11/11/10 03:36 AM ET   AP

Missle Over California

LOS ANGELES — The Pentagon and NASA experts have determined that a billowing contrail seen streaking into the skies above Southern California was likely caused by an airliner and not a missile.

The phenomenon recorded Monday evening by a TV news helicopter created a media sensation and a vapor trail of commentary across the Internet about the possibility of a secret missile firing. But the military insisted it knew of no rockets launched in the area.

Defense Department spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said Wednesday that officials were satisfied it was an airplane contrail distorted by camera angle, winds and other environmental factors including a setting sun.

Military experts studied the video and talked to all government agencies that might have been involved in a missile launch and none reported having launched one, Lapan said.

The conclusion was independently supported by Al Bowers, associate director of research at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center in the Mojave Desert, and Patrick Minnis, a senior research scientist at NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia, who studies remote sensing of the atmosphere and Earth's surface.

"A missile would look like that," said Bowers, whose 27-year career has included stints as chief or lead engineer on such programs as the SR-71 spyplanes turned over to NASA by the Air Force.

"It could potentially have a contrail that shape," he told the AP. "(But) the motion looks a little suspect to me, and my conclusion would be that, yeah, it's most probably an aircraft."

KCBS-TV cameraman Gil Leyvas told the Los Angeles Times he spotted the phenomenon northwest of Catalina Island as he was shooting the sunset from the helicopter about 5:15 p.m. local time Monday.

At Langley Research Center, Minnis and colleague Doug Spangenberg analyzed a sequence of infrared images of the area collected between 5 p.m. and 6:45 p.m. Monday by GOES-11, a geostationary operational environmental satellite.

At 5:30 p.m., "suddenly there is contrail extending horizontally from the left side of the image ... that bends toward the (northeast) pointing directly at Catalina Island," Minnis said in an e-mail to the AP.

The contrail had to have started 15 to 45 minutes earlier and become quite wide to be visible to the satellite, he said.

Minnis accounted in his analysis for earlier and later contrails, conditions that would cause a contrail to persist, movement of the contrail, and nearby clouds.

Missile and satellite launches are routine along the California coast.

The area of ocean perceived as the seeming liftoff point Monday night is in the vicinity of a Navy ocean range where missiles are often launched from vessels, platforms and San Nicolas Island.

Up the coast is Vandenberg Air Force Base, where satellites are lofted into polar orbit and intercontinental ballistic missiles are launched on unarmed test flights to targets thousands of miles away in the Pacific Ocean. Three ICBMS were launched between June and September.

Many of these launches are invisible to the metropolitan area, shrouded by the layer of moist marine air that often rolls in from the Pacific. Others are lost in the brightness of daytime.

But launches on very clear nights or at twilight sometimes trigger numerous calls to media or authorities reporting unusual sky sightings from hundreds of miles away, even from neighboring states.

No such spontaneous public response occurred Monday night in the nation's second-largest city, suggesting that the image captured by the airborne camera was not apparent to ground observers.

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AP Science Writer Alicia Chang contributed to this report.

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07:52 AM on 01/04/2011
Of course that's what they said. But anyone who has ever been in the military or lived on a military base knows otherwise.

Some of us may have been born at night, but very few were born last night.
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00BTB
It's just a ride...
10:06 AM on 12/08/2010
Yeah plane contrail...
2+2=5
06:06 PM on 11/18/2010
Here's part of a comment on the missile thread at abovetopsecret.com:

"It takes a very big man to do what I am about to do.
You may wanna listen up cuz u might not hear it
again for a very long while

After very careful scrutiny of the pics of Rick Warren
in a photo editor I have come to a new conclusion.
The pics are authentic indeed. I found no traces
of tampering or overlaying all the way down
to the pixel level. Other than a few anomolies
which I could attribute to shutter speed and/or
digital imaging flaws they are flawless.

My sincerest apologies go out to Rick Warren
and Contrail Science. From the evidence I saw
in the original pics, their work on the flight path
of UPS902 was flawless. I will have to say
good job to them. I even saw the puke brown UPS
color on the plane (no, I didn't say that, lol)."

It goes on for several more paragraphs. The person calls himself boondock-saint. What we have is a person willing to accept new data and admit they're wrong. The rest is here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread631078/pg7#pid9952677
06:24 PM on 11/18/2010
Oops, should have said boondock-saint calls him or herself...

My bad.
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
08:27 PM on 11/15/2010
DAY 1:

"Colonel Dave Lapan, speaking for the Pentagon, said: "Nobody within the department of defense that we have reached out to has been able to explain what this contrail is, where it came from. So far, we've come up empty with any explanation.""

DAY 2

"Do you believe Americans will buy that it was an airline contrail?"
"Hey, if they bought Saddam's WMD's (up to 80% did), they can buy anything! And those who don't we'll simply tar and feather. Actually we don't even need to do that, as the same gullible Americans who believe anything we say will do it for us!"
"Brilliant!"

DAY 3

"It was an airliner contrail, and whoever says otherwise is a crazy_conspiracy_nut!"

The rest of the world, as usual, rolling on the floor laughing at us.
08:33 PM on 11/15/2010
"The rest of the world, as usual, rolling on the floor laughing at us."

Actually, they're laughing at folks like you:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tomchivers/100048711/california-missile-is-it-a-bird-no-is-it-a-plane-yes-obviously/
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
08:44 PM on 11/15/2010
LOL LOL LOL

The Daily Telegraph is owned by Murdoch. No doubt your bible.

Thanks for proving my point.
08:34 PM on 11/15/2010
Oh, and by the way, this is just a rant, nothing more. Not detailed analysis and no link to one either.
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
08:44 PM on 11/15/2010
Actually, DAY 1 and DAY 3 are FACTS. DAY 2 is the obvious speculation of anyone who wouldn't just believe anything the Pentagon and its shills say, like you and all of America's conservatives.
07:23 PM on 11/15/2010
Wow, Proud to be found one link to somebody who thinks its a missile. And ignores the links on her link to folks who don't. Massage your data much?
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
08:03 PM on 11/15/2010
Those who believe the contrail fantasy are either people who work for the Pentagon or people like you who don't know anything about missiles but just take them on blind faith, despite the ridiculous lies and contradictions they've been caught in.

Try and read the international press. Only in America people have bought the contrail story. Just like with the WMD's.
08:24 PM on 11/15/2010
As I said before (with one revision in parenthesis):

Please tell me your missile expertise in detail. If it's as good as you say, please post (or link to) an analysis as detailed as the one at contrailscience.com showing that it is indeed a missile and not UPS902 which was photographed exactly where it should have been at the end of the contrail according to radar data. If you can't, we just have your little rants to go on. The fact that you are getting more and more shrill is telling. Nothing you have offered, not your stating the obvious re V2s, etc., nothing is evidence that this was anything more than an aircraft.
04:36 PM on 11/13/2010
"This was a contrail and the evidence is overwhelming."

"Too bad no one has been able to provide any. You just CHOOSE to believe that it is. But remember, you're entitled to your opinions, you're not entitled to your facts.
But I bet you're one of those people who believe Bush lied about everything, but when it comes to 911 he told the truth and nothing but the truth."

The burden of proof is on you Miss. You've failed to offer any evidence except for your own misguided contention that this is anything other than a contrail.

As for 911, you've missed the mark again.
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
08:25 PM on 11/13/2010
"The burden of proof is on you Miss."

Not really. The government provided an explanation without details. Anyone who's worked around missiles knows I'm right. I have, you haven't. And if you chose not to believe me (it's typical of conservative to distort reality to accommodate their fantasies), you can believe Jane's Missiles and Rocket's Senior Editor. And your qualifications to talk on this subjects are? Riight, you believe the government never lies.

"As for 911, you've missed the mark again."

I had no doubts you believed fire alone made WTC7 collapse. And, once again, you're certainly not an engineer. Just because the government said so and therefore it MUST be true.
10:40 PM on 11/14/2010
Operation Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Passage_to_Freedom
06:28 PM on 11/15/2010
I have got to buy me some Alcoa stock.

Why does the contrail match the UPS flight to the minute? Why is this missile so slow?

Present some evidence that it is indeed a missile or give it up. Other than your opinion, there is none.
04:31 PM on 11/13/2010
Here is a real rocket launch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVWojuY4A_U

Notice the speed. Compare that to the contrail video.

There are plenty more of these on youtube.
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
08:26 PM on 11/13/2010
Once again, you're ignoring the viewing angle. But then again, it's pretty clear you know nothing about rockets.
06:29 PM on 11/15/2010
Pot, meet kettle.
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09:27 AM on 11/13/2010
seriously though, who are they going to blame next years EMP on?
whitebeach
Hey, buddy, can you spare a micro-bio?
11:35 AM on 11/13/2010
Gotta be Canada. A bunch of socialists right there on our northern border, and yet Obama does nothing.
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04:43 AM on 11/13/2010
I have seen aircraft contrails even more dispersed and unusual in formation. I do most of my observing at night as an amateur astronomer.

I think you would get the same response from any professional pilot.

This is in my opinion a way overblown story for the conspiracy theorists!
12:20 AM on 11/13/2010
Looks like this guy nails it:

http://contrailscience.com/

The "missile" follows the UPS flight track exactly. How devious of them.
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
02:05 AM on 11/13/2010
Except that yesterday he was adamant it was flight 808. How about tomorrow?
whitebeach
Hey, buddy, can you spare a micro-bio?
02:17 AM on 11/13/2010
He wasn't "adamant" yesterday. He called it as an 80-20 probability. Approximately the odds of filling a four-flush to a flush on the fifth card in five-card stud poker. Something that happens pretty regularly.

See, what's happening here is that some people are gathering information. Other people are simply claiming that their original perception is all that matters. It's sort of like science versus biblical fundamentalism.

What new info do you have to offer, BTW?
02:18 PM on 11/13/2010
So, do you ignore new data? That would make you a Republican.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
06:45 AM on 11/13/2010
Remembering that the split between choosing between two different aircraft, and an iranian submarine-launched missile is the key point, I would be surprised if it was the UPS flight descending towards oceanside for ontario. It continues to make a vigorous trail as it approaches, despite both a likely idle power setting, and warming air along its track.
12:13 AM on 11/13/2010
Hmm, looks like it was the UPS flight. The contrail is being blown to the south and the aircraft is crabbing to the north to compensate for the crosswind.
11:16 PM on 11/12/2010
Here's UPS #902 on NOV 8th as reported by what I'll call the OG blogger.
http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

This is the flight info from UPS.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS902/history/20101108/2055Z/PHNL/KONT

Flight 902 is a regular 5hr flight into LA/Ontario & hasn't deviated more than 15min since the event of the 8th.
Keeping weather conditions in mind someone out there is sure to have a reason as to why it wasn't visible tonight.
http://www.cargolaw.com/lax_we bcam2.html

Identical images from the same time/area are reported by the OG blogger on the 9th to support the flight 808 theory. I'm guessing it was weather conditions preventing us from seeing 902 tonight?

In any case Flight 902 was listed as landing at 6:02pm PST on 11/8.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS902/history/20101108/2055Z/PHNL/KONT

If this is the flight we saw in the web cam images at 5:15pm PST why is it sill in the air? If this was the same flight the next day shown at 5:54pm PST why is it in the air at an estimated 160mi off the coast when UPS reports it landing at 6:02 PST?

The reported speed is near the speed of sound. No doubt it would've slowed to land. But would it have taken less than 10 minutes to land and make it to the UPS loading dock?
07:57 PM on 11/12/2010
Here's a link to the LAX webcam overlooking the Pacific. 808 should be popping up over the horizon pretty soon.
http://www.cargolaw.com/lax_webcam2.html
08:08 PM on 11/12/2010
Except according to US Airways sight the flight appears to be approaching south of LA, south of Long Beach in fact, and headed towards Laguna Niguel.
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightTracker/flightTracker.do?id=208879513&airlineCode=US&flightNumber=808
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:04 PM on 11/12/2010
No missile tonight then.
08:18 PM on 11/12/2010
The first blogger, having seen the same photo I did from the LAX camera on Nov 8th, has figured out the UPS flight was a more likely candidate.
http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

Does UPS have duplicate flights as well? I didn't see it in my link above. So what did we see in his webcam shots from Nov 9th?
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
07:52 PM on 11/12/2010
In 1960, President Eisenhower got on television and lied to America that a weather research aircraft had crashed in the Soviet Union. No doubt if the USSR hadn't exposed our government for the filthy_liars they were, people would still believe him. From then on, it's been one giant whopper after another. Do I really need to make a list?
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Christian Buhl
01:08 AM on 11/13/2010
Conspiracy theorists are so sad.
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
02:03 AM on 11/13/2010
Yes, because obviously what I said never happened. Ridiculous jingoists who put their heads in the sand are the true sad people and the very reason we're in this mess.
whitebeach
Hey, buddy, can you spare a micro-bio?
02:48 AM on 11/13/2010
I was pretty young then, but I remember clearly how disillusioned I was with Ike and with America when it turned out that we lied about the U-2. No, you don't need to make a list. I know them all. But where your error comes in is exactly at the point where you go from the knowledge that the government sometimes or even often lies to the assumption that it therefore always lies. I have very little reason, for example, to imagine that NOAA and the NWS are lying when they tell me that there's a cat 4 hurricane in the Gulf heading toward me with a 95 percent chance of landfall in my immediate area within the next 24 hours. From your apparent viewpoint, however, they'd simply have to be lying, and I'd probably be well advised to plan a beach party.

Similarly, when I see photos of what is very probably a jet contrail and the government says that these photos are very probably of a jet contrail, while it might make sense to hold out some small doubt, it would be pretty absurd to insist that the obvious and commonplace explanation must be wrong simply because the government says that this explanation is probably right.
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
02:52 AM on 11/13/2010
"Similarly, when I see photos of what is very probably a jet contrail and the government says that these photos are very probably of a jet contrail"

The government first said they were not sure what it was. After a couple of days, they were adamant it was an airliner, and yet they refused to disclose any detail. This isn't how someone who doesn't have anything to hide operates, not in a democratic country.
06:46 PM on 11/12/2010
On the spiraling plume. I've seen contrail from twin engine jets spiral around each other. Vortexes sometimes form behind planes.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:02 PM on 11/12/2010
Vortices always form behind planes. One centered on each wingtip, rolling down in the center - there's no lift otherwise.