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SNCF, French Railroad, Apologizes For Holocaust Role Before Florida Bid

Sncf Holocaust Apology

ELAINE GANLEY   11/14/10 11:32 AM ET   AP

PARIS — France's state-run railroad has for the first time expressed "sorrow and regret" for its role in the deportation of Jews during World War II. But the mea culpa is confined to its English language Web site and part of a bid to secure a lucrative U.S. rail contract.

The railroad, known as the SNCF, won an appeal in 2007 of a French lawsuit over its role in the Nazi deportation, and now is trying to convince Floridians of its good faith.

The SNCF is bidding on a $2.6 billion high-speed rail project that would connect Tampa and Orlando, but has run into resistance from Holocaust survivors there. The project would be the first high-speed tracks in the United States.

SNCF Chairman Guillaume Pepy said in a statement posted Nov. 4 on an English-language Web site that the railroad "wants to convey its profound sorrow and regret for the consequences of its acts" during World War II, when France's Vichy government collaborated with the occupying Nazis.

The statement concedes that the SNCF's equipment and staff were used to haul 76,000 French and other European Jews to Germany, where they were sent on to death camps. Fewer than 3,000 returned alive.

However, the railroad reiterated its contention that it was requisitioned for the Nazi war effort and therefore had no choice.

"The Nazis the their French (Vichy) collaborators directed these terrible actions, determining the composition of the trains, the types of wagons, and even the train schedules," Pepy's lengthy statement said.

The SNCF's World War II role could also complicate any bid for California's $45 billion high-speed rail project. California lawmakers passed a bill this year that forces companies hoping to compete to disclose whether they transported Holocaust victims.

It was only in 1995 that France acknowledged a direct role in the tragedy, when then-President Jacques Chirac said the French state bore responsibility. That was a dramatic break with France's long-held position that its Vichy regime was not synonymous with the French state.

That stance was bolstered last year by the first legal acknowledgment of the French role, by the nation's highest administrative body, the Council of State, which said the state "allowed or facilitated" deportations.

Since Chirac's speech, deportees and their families have won special state pensions and other compensation for their suffering. Some euro500 million has been paid out by a state commission established in 2000, Nazi hunter Serge Klarsfeld said at the time.

The SNCF chief said the railroad "fully embraces" Chirac's stance. However, the company had argued in a court case in France that it, too, was a victim of the state, unable to resist state orders to transport Jews. In 2007, a Bordeaux appeals court overturned a ruling that the railroad should compensate families of deportees. The SNCF had argued it was acting under requisition orders.

Some U.S. Jews are seeking reparations for their families and some in Florida oppose giving a contract to a railroad company with a role in the deportations.

Pepy said, as part of its outreach program, the company would help entitled U.S. citizens and residents seeking reparations from existing state programs.

"As a French company new to America, we understand there will be questions about us," Pepy's statement said. As part of its effort to win over Americans, the SNCF has created a "heritage" site on the Internet explaining the circumstances surrounding its actions in World War II.

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Online:

http://www.sncfhighspeedrail.com/heritage/

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PARIS — France's state-run railroad has for the first time expressed "sorrow and regret" for its role in the deportation of Jews during World War II. But the mea culpa is confined to its English...
PARIS — France's state-run railroad has for the first time expressed "sorrow and regret" for its role in the deportation of Jews during World War II. But the mea culpa is confined to its English...
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12:45 PM on 11/22/2010
Where was the Kreisau Circle before the invasion of Iraq? Where were the good Westerners of conscience while a half million Iraqi children died from a lack of clean drinking water?

How can everyone be so sure they would have stood up to the Gestapo in the 1930s and 1940s? The tepid opposition to the Bush Administration, which had the Patriot Act instead of the Wannsee Conference shows that the same people who criticize the Germans and everyone else under Nazi control are not really honest about what they would do to oppose a totalitarian regime a thousand times more brutal than Bush/Cheney.

The United States is literally on the brink of beginning World War III by going to war with Iran. Only Obama and some people in the defense establishment stand between the bloodthirsty militarists that are itching to pull the trigger on Teheran from the safety of their bunkers in Washington, DC.

In the meantime, the peace-loving countries of the world focus on feeding their populations, finding alternative sources of energy, educating their students and providing health care for all. The United States is held hostage to the whims of the Military Industrial Complex and the right-wing Israelis/American Jews that are laying the groundwork for increased pressure on our best hope for peace, Barack Obama. People who question the Lobby are written off as anti-Semites careers are destroyed, and a group that lacks familial military traditions dictates the activities of the Armed Forces.
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thewirah
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05:09 AM on 11/16/2010
I did a little research since this post. It turns out there probably won't be any high speed trains in the US because the GOP now has the power to disrupt Obama's rail plans. So much talk for nothing.

http://www.npr.org/2010/11/10/131223230/not-so-fast-future-for-high-speed-rail-uncertain
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02:44 AM on 11/16/2010
For all who think french people were all collaborators and didn(t do anything to save Jews during this time :

http://www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/statistics.asp

It seems that the Frenchs weren't so collaborative with the nazis.

And for those who speak French :

http://www.yadvashem-france.org/qui_est_juste/ (at the end)

There are only two communities of people who are among the righteous and one is French.
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tinyrainbows
10:23 PM on 11/15/2010
Is that little Georgie Soros carrying bags for people?
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exflatlander
09:46 PM on 11/15/2010
.There has been a franco-phobic bias in American culture since...oh, the late 18th century. That is, not long after they turned the tide against the Brits in the Revolution. It's been documented in textbooks for American schools, and in the media for a very, very long time - before WWII. i wish I had a buck for every time I heard some swaggering fool say,"We had to save their sorry asses in WWII." Often that same fool has never seen combat, let alone seen his town, his state, his income, and his family destroyed.
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SaulBloodworth
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05:13 PM on 11/15/2010
Of course, American high-speed train building companies should also banned from doing business in Europe because of the complicity of Union Pacific in the slaughter of the Great Plain Indians ... oh, wait, there aren't any American high-speed train building companies.
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thewirah
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06:00 PM on 11/15/2010
What about Boeing expressing regrets for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and for the napalm dropped on little kids in Vietnam?
08:41 PM on 11/15/2010
How about China? As far as I know, it is still the (abhorred by US) Communist Party running a dictatorship over the country...
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SaulBloodworth
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05:06 PM on 11/15/2010
The solution is pretty simple: Let the best company, may it be French, German, or Japanese, build a high-speed train in Florida, and everybody who cannot bear it simply takes Amtrak or Greyhound.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
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12:52 PM on 11/15/2010
During the '30s, Herbert Walker was one of the largest suppliers of arms to Nazi Germany.

His daughter married Prescott Bush, who went into his new Dad's business. When the US realized that Germany was their enemy, they enlisted Bush because of his inside knowledge. He went into the spy business, his son followed, later became head of CIA, and of course President.

The real Bush money came from Herbert Walker and his dealings with Nazi Germany, reflected in the two Bush Presidents middle names, Herbert Walker and Walker.
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Tara Dass
12:37 PM on 11/15/2010
There were so many companies, banks and the Catholic Papacy who were complicit, they are only making a big deal this time because they love to give the French a hard time...
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theuniversalcollective
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03:19 PM on 11/15/2010
who's they?
04:42 PM on 11/15/2010
Scroll down and you'll find a sample of "they".
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Tara Dass
12:35 PM on 11/15/2010
wow every comment I posted about Florida Gov. Jeb's own family ties to the same atrocity was censored, guess those kind of relevant facts are just not allowed.
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theuniversalcollective
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03:19 PM on 11/15/2010
look above, it's been allowed
11:58 AM on 11/15/2010
Boy!
There are sure o lot of experts on railways and their histories, here all of a sudden!
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gavrielle
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11:41 AM on 11/15/2010
So, what they're really sorry about is that they might not get a lucrative contract. Otherwise, they wouldn't be the least bit sorry at all. No wonder they collaborated. What a bunch of quislings!
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Tara Dass
12:39 PM on 11/15/2010
they were under control of an occupying army wtf do they have to apologize for?
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01:34 PM on 11/15/2010
Yes, and if every Frenchman who claimed his family helped save or hide Jews during the war had actually done it, no French Jews would ever have been killed by the Nazis. There's doing your job because you are forced to do it, and then there's whistling while you work and doing it. The company aligned itself with the Vichy government. Which means it supported the Vichy, not that it was an unwilling participant in events.
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theuniversalcollective
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03:20 PM on 11/15/2010
That excuse didn't work at Nirenberg and it is still no an acceptable on to this day.
01:33 PM on 11/15/2010
What an id!ot you are.
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01:47 PM on 11/15/2010
An incredibly thoughtful and intelligent response. Name calling: always the first and last resort of an immature person.
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11:36 AM on 11/15/2010
Money talks - again.
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11:42 AM on 11/15/2010
Yeah, but did it say anything anyone in Florida wants to hear? I doubt it. Too little, too late.
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thewirah
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11:15 AM on 11/15/2010
I will be honest, if you want a spacious and comfortable train, go for the German ICE instead of the TGV (Unless people in Florida have something against German trains as well).
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11:44 AM on 11/15/2010
It's not the trains, it's the company that collaborated and made money off the misery of others. Cattle cars are pretty spacious too, you know. Unless you're crammed in by the thousands with no food or water while being shipped off to a concentration camp.
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thewirah
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12:16 PM on 11/15/2010
As if the SNCF today had anything to do with the SNCF back then. Singling out one company isn't going to achieve anything.
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SaulBloodworth
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05:08 PM on 11/15/2010
How would you know?
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10:56 AM on 11/15/2010
Given that no one working there was involved, what are the Holocaust survivors protesting, the letters "SCNF"? If everyone at SCNF stopped working at SCNF and created a company with a different name and did the exact same work that they're doing at SCNF, would they suddenly be absolved of what they didn't do in the first place?
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12:24 PM on 11/15/2010
Thinking about it some more, they are actually guilty of something: Not apologizing on the company's behalf earlier, and more prominently. So while as individuals, none of them are guilty of doing anything in the Holocaust, the executives are guilty of trying to erase their company's past rather than address it.
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03:24 PM on 11/15/2010
Yep. Got it in two. But you came to the right assessment after all. Bravo.