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Ciudad Juarez Bar Massacre Kills 5, Wound 9

11/14/10 10:39 PM ET   AP

Ciudad Juarez Shooting

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — Gunmen burst into a bar called "Desesperados" in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez and opened fire on Sunday, killing five people and wounding nine others, authorities said.

Assailants also killed the state's prisons director and his son in a second attack in the area, which has turned into a deadly battleground for warring drug cartels.

Gunmen opened fire on the vehicle carrying Chihuahua prison director Gerardo Ortiz and his son in Chihuahua city, the state capital, located south of Ciudad Juarez. The state's prisons used to be the site of frequent battles between gangs, but deaths in such disputes had appeared to decline over the last year.

Authorities offered no motive for the attack in the "Desesperados" – or "The Desperate Ones" – bar early Sunday. The nine wounded were listed in serious condition at hospitals in Chihuahua state, were Ciudad Juarez is located, according to state prosecutors' spokesman Fidel Banuelos.

More than 4,000 people have been killed in Ciudad Juarez in drug-related violence in the last two years, giving the city one of the highest murder rates in the world.

Also Sunday, police in the Pacific coast resort of Acapulco found the bound, bullet-ridden bodies of five men on the outskirts of the city, according to police in Guerrero state, where Acapulco is located.

Also in Guerrero state, detectives reported they had found the bodies of two more men buried in a clandestine gave in a coconut grove where 18 bodies had been unearthed last week.

The 18 were among 20 men from the western state of Michoacan who were kidnapped Sept. 30 while visiting Acapulco. Two men remained to be found.

The two badly decomposed bodies had been buried for about five weeks at a site near the first grave, characteristics that would suggest they are the missing Michoacan men.

Fernando Monreal Leyva, the director of the state detective agency, said experts will have to wait until the bodies are identified by relatives, possessions or DNA tests before they can confirm their identities.

Police began digging at the site after a video appeared on Youtube in which two men – their hands apparently tied behind their backs and answering questions from an unseen interrogator – say they killed "the Michoacanos" and buried them in the area.

Two bodies wearing the same clothes as the pair seen in the video were later found on top of the first grave, along with a sign reading: "The people they killed are buried here."

In the video, the two men say they killed the "Michoacanos" in an act of revenge against La Familia, a drug cartel based in Michoacan.

The families of the 20 missing men say they were mechanics in the state capital of Morelia who saved up money to take a vacation together.

It was unclear whether the men were mistaken for cartel members, or were killed simply because they were from the cartel's home state.

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CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — Gunmen burst into a bar called "Desesperados" in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez and opened fire on Sunday, killing five people and wounding nine others, authori...
CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — Gunmen burst into a bar called "Desesperados" in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez and opened fire on Sunday, killing five people and wounding nine others, authori...
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b525
10:39 PM on 12/27/2010
The Rio Grande River which runs through the above mentioned city of Ciudad-Jaurez and it's American sister city El Paso is the 5th longest river in the United States. It's now RUNNING DRY in many sections and only 1/5 of it's original flow/water even reaches the sea anymore. (the Gulf of Mexico).

This is because desert agribusiness and cities along the river are withdrawing river water from the Rio Grande faster than melting snowfall in the Colorado mountains, where the river originates, can replenish the river

The water aquifer below these two cities (called the Hueco-Bolson aquifer), which provides almost all the drinking water for 3 million people, is projected to run dry by 2020!!! because the aquifer's water is being withdrawn faster than the 7 inches of yearly rainfall that these two cities recieve can refill/replenish it.

Much Rio Grande River water is retained upstream behind large dams/dam reservoirs. Some of these larger dams are the Cochiti Dam, the Elephant Butte Dam, the Caballo Dam, the Amistad Dam, the Falcon Dam, the Anazalduas Dam, the Retamal Dam and others.

Becuase of the dams and river water irrigation withdrawals for agribusiness much of the river and it's fisheries/eco-system have been completely destroyed and also heavily polluted by agribusiness chemicals, synthetic fertilizers, sewage, and factory pollutants from Mexican, as well as American manufacturing along the river.

Dams on the Colorado River in the U.S. have almost completely destroyed the downstream Colorado River delta.
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snapshot1940
"We have met the enemy and he is us"
01:18 PM on 11/16/2010
Relax, people! There's still a dried up riverbed between them and us.
04:14 PM on 11/16/2010
Snap
 
The US govt has the power and the ability to fight this fight - secure the border, patrol it with drones and put the manpower on it. There is no reason the mexican drug cartels should be allowed to access the US market.
Only problem is getting washington to focus on the problem - they are still too busy chasing down underwear bombers and all those bogeymen in the caves of middle east desert wastelands -
And our Homeland Security headed by Janet Napolitano is worse than useless.
  
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10:32 AM on 11/16/2010
What is a bigger threat, Mexican cartels, or Afghan terrorists on the other side of the planet?

just sayin'.
12:33 PM on 11/16/2010
Wild turkey
 
Is our country bankrupt or not?  They are expanding operations in Yemen today, they have Iran in the cross hairs, they just gave Afghanistan another 3 Billion for "building" which never happens - Afghans take the money and start construction and then walk away with the money EVERY TIME and still they give them another 3 Billion. It's so insane and ushc a waste.
 
But mexico is a whole different story - the Feds have choosen to ignore the problem and prefer to allow the drug cartel access to our country. It's a bloodbath in  towns on both sides of the border. 
 
The mexican govt is struggling valiantly and America's govt prefers to waste trillions in a desert wasteland where tribemen haven't changed in the last 1000 years. There is no winning anyhting there. Even now as taxpayers dollars are being thrown away - the Chinese are happily buying the mines in Afghan. And America's govt look like the biggest pack of fools ever - spending us into a sinkhole of debt with NOTHING to be gained. And we would ahve so much to gain by partnering up with Mexico - defeating the drug cartel and restoring the country to peace and helping it achieve prosperity - a totally winnable war with much to be gained.
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the964kid
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12:08 AM on 11/16/2010
Anybody going into a bar in Juarez called "Desesperados" probably should've known better.
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06:55 PM on 11/15/2010
I used to love going to Mexico, but now its too dangerous. I miss crossing the border into Reynosa and bartering in the markets.
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Barringtonmorr
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06:29 PM on 11/15/2010
These drug-cartels are really destroying Mexico right now. They don't understand how far-reaching their decisions are. Tourism is dead. People are afraid. Culture is being destroyed. I bet people there feel very powerless right now.
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rowdybrowngirl
05:51 PM on 11/15/2010
Americans really need to start recognizing, understanding and accept responsibility for the roll we play in Mexico's problem.

Now before people start screaming like a bunch of banshees, I am not saying we are the cause of ALL their issues. But in regards to drugs we are a good part of the issue. We need to decriminalize drugs in this country and we need fair & appropriate immigration reform.

"Securing the border" is a fantasy that is never going to happens. Walls never stay up for long.
Gasparilla
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06:39 PM on 11/15/2010
Actually, the Clinton administration built a secure fence along the California Mexico border. It's worked quite well.
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rowdybrowngirl
06:55 PM on 11/15/2010
It works so well that people are still yammering away for border security.
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Rational Voice
A voice of reason in a world gone insane
07:06 PM on 11/15/2010
I think you're being sarcastic... Worked well in what regard? It's created an eyesore, and cost a bunch of money -- true ... but beyond that? We can't measure success by how much something costs to build. It's got to be effective at doing what it was designed to do.

Fences, walls, trenches, rivers, etc. -- None of them have EVER worked. It doesn't matter if you put in a mine field, with 30 rows of fences, separated by 30 moats, populated by alligators with lasers on their heads -- the economic incentive to TRY and cross it is still too great. You just can't stop someone who has nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

The fact remains -- the grass is still greener on the Amerijuana side of the border.

All puns intended. :-)
12:36 PM on 11/16/2010
rowdy
 
you might be surprised to know that most countries do secure their borders - it can be done and it should be done - but, yes - we need to do more for our southern neighbors on all fronts... for their security and prosperity and our own.
12:56 PM on 11/16/2010
oh, and one of those countries is Mexico - they have secured their own southern border...
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rayzrface714
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04:36 PM on 11/15/2010
Kind of kills that old romantic notion of just going down to Mexico for a cheap vacation for awhile and doing all those things you saw in old westerns and gangster movies! When the reality is that your life is so cheap you could be killed or just shot for being who you are? A rich gringo,who is not very popular to a people who have so much reason to hate and resent the American treatment of them?In 1985 I was homeless in the Santa Monica area of L.A. and when the wife and I strayed too far into the wrong areas it did not take too long to figure it out and beat a hasty retreat and get the hell out of there! Beautiful all along the coast but there are some places where you just do not go! Like when you go to the zoo,you do not have a picnic in the middle of the lions habitat!
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Max Shaw
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04:27 PM on 11/15/2010
More than 4,000 people have been killed in Ciudad Juarez in drug-related violence in the last two years...

Thats over 5 people a day on average! They need to shut this city down on all ends--no one in or out-- and work their way into the center removing all the cartels in a systematic and diligent fashion. This is way too out of control..I dont understand what is taking them so long to make a dent in the murder rate..
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Jesse P. Steinberg
est un habitant.
05:52 PM on 11/15/2010
Thats a ton of man power. Plus they will need at least a dozen UAVs running 24/7 to see whats going on within the city and who is approaching the city from miles away.
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TStringfellow
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03:44 PM on 11/16/2010
Don't forget the fact that, in general, cartel members aren't stamped with the label "Gangster" on their forehead.
04:07 PM on 11/15/2010
Can we legalize weed so we can de-fund these thugs please?
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the964kid
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12:11 AM on 11/16/2010
Weed isn't the only drug these criminals are selling.
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Ale
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02:44 AM on 11/16/2010
No, but it is the main thing
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Rational Voice
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04:03 PM on 11/15/2010
Get used to it, folks. This won't stop -- it will only continue getting worse. It's just a matter of time before it spills even further over the border.

This is government sponsored insanity at it's absolute finest.

Legalization IS happening -- it's just a question of how many more lives will be wasted, and how many more perfectly good tax dollars will be pissed away before it's done.

Cannabis is safer than alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, and many of our over-the-counter medications. There is absolutely no reason to continue this madness.
03:03 PM on 11/15/2010
More than 4,000 people have been killed in Ciudad Juarez in drug-related violence in the last two years, giving the city one of the highest murder rates in the world.
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Are any of the other cities non-Spanish speaking?
04:26 PM on 11/15/2010
New Orleans, United States; Moscow, Russia; Cape Town, South Africa; and Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea

All of these cities are non-Spanish speaking and have similarly high murder rates. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/09/28/the_list_murder_capitals_of_the_world
05:26 PM on 11/15/2010
That is so bad. I thought Bogota was still top.
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Texan POd
02:56 PM on 11/15/2010
"The Texas Armoring Corp. of San Antonio reports a near quadrupling of its Mexican business over the past five years and a strong demand for rush deliveries."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-11-15-bulletproof15_ST_N.htm
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jasev01
02:56 PM on 11/15/2010
ok 5 is not a massacre seriously
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DSOTM
Legalize it, now!
02:57 PM on 11/15/2010
Over 9000 is and that is how many have died this year in Mexico from drug violence.
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jasev01
03:05 PM on 11/15/2010
Right, exactly.  hence 5 is not.
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Phalanxman
Everything in Moderation
04:08 PM on 11/15/2010
Why are these events continually referred to as "drug battles," "drug violence," or other such misnomers. It's a friggin drug WAR, and it's time to call it that. It's also a civil war in Mexico, as it is a challenge to government soveriengty by the drug organizations. And, judging by the numbers involved, the drug organizations have a good deal of popular support. Even Al Capone was never this powerful.
03:25 PM on 11/15/2010
Are you quibbling over human bodies?
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Max Shaw
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04:26 PM on 11/15/2010
Seriously I agree,..any amount of murder, IS TOO MUCH MURDER!!