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LA: Plastic Bags BANNED In Parts Of Los Angeles County

NOAKI SCHWARTZ   11/16/10 07:19 PM ET   AP

Plastic Bags

LOS ANGELES — Parts of Los Angeles County have joined other California communities in banning stores from using single-use plastic bags.

County supervisors approved the measure 3-1 on Tuesday in hopes of preventing billions of bags from polluting neighborhoods and waterways. It bans stores from giving customers single-use plastic bags and would require them to charge 10 cents for each paper bag.

The ordinance, which goes into effect next year, would apply to unincorporated parts of the county where an estimated 1.1 million people live. It does not include the 88 cities within the county, such as the city of Los Angeles, which is apparently looking at the county's findings to craft its own proposed ban.

Supporters erupted in clapping and cheering when the ban was approved. The audience included an activist draped in hundreds of plastic bags.

The vote was especially meaningful for Assemblywoman Julia Brownley, D-Santa Monica, who tried and failed to pass a statewide ban in August. Brownley has been an outspoken critic of the use of plastic bags, saying only a very small percentage are recycled and that they take hundreds of years to decompose.

"This is just the beginning of a wave of bans against single-use plastic bags across California," Brownley said.

Opponents who spoke at the meeting urged supervisors to vote against the ban, saying it would cause residents to lose much-needed jobs and that the fees for reusable and paper bags would be an unfair burden on residents in poorer neighborhoods.

Velma W. Union, pastor at The Lord's Church in southwest Los Angeles, said the supervisors seemed more concerned about saving the environment than people.

"There's clearly an environmental push here," she said. "Where's the balance? I don't see that anywhere."

Proponents hope that this will spur other cities to adopt similar measures. Malibu, San Francisco, Palo Alto and Fairfax have also banned single-use plastic bags.

Other California communities such as Santa Monica, Marin, San Jose and Santa Clara also are considering bans this year.

Longtime clean water advocate Mark Gold, with the environmental group Heal the Bay, called the vote a "huge win."

"The cost of convenience can no longer be at the cost of the environment for centuries to come," said Gold.

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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:36 PM on 11/18/2010
Is it just me, or are you Americans RADICALLY behind the times? We use biodegradable bioplastics here in Canada and this for YEARS! Not everywhere yet, but soon.
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thereisonlyoneparty
more amazing than you
01:30 AM on 11/19/2010
Biodegradable is not better necessarily.  It can ruin recycling streams and may encourage people do litter was the bag will eventually degrade.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:48 PM on 11/22/2010
The key here is BIOplastic. It's polymers made from cornstarch. They break down into organic molecules that can be absorbed by microbes and plants, because they come from plants in the first place. They don't pollute the food chain at all.
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deweydecimal
@DeweyMai on Twitter
12:52 PM on 11/19/2010
We've also had plastic bag bans for a while now.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:30 PM on 11/18/2010
OMFG they are after our freedom again. Sea turtles love those bags!
02:25 PM on 11/18/2010
I think it's wonderful. I hope many more areas of the country follow suit. It's really not the hard to buy and keep track of reusable bags - most places I've been sell them for $0.99 or less. I know it's such a horrible inconvenience for some people to care about anything outside of themselves, but eventually they'll find something else to whine about.
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thereisonlyoneparty
more amazing than you
01:31 AM on 11/19/2010
Yeah, $0.99 cent bags that contain lead are better than plastic bags that may or may not end up as litter.

That is a trade off I want.
11:47 AM on 11/19/2010
From what I can tell, the lead content in those bags is below the "standard" safety limit. I personally don't know how safe that really is but I personally use cloth bags, and it was to those I was referring. I suppose I should have qualified. They're just as inexpensive and just as easy to obtain, without the lead badness.
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marshallastor
10:48 PM on 11/19/2010
Is there somewhere in the language of the ban that requires people to voluntarily use bags that contain lead?
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Minolta
01:01 AM on 11/18/2010
LA, what can we say. Cut them off from the federal dollars. Stop bailing out California with Chinese money our children will have to pay back.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:31 PM on 11/18/2010
Predictably dense.
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deweydecimal
@DeweyMai on Twitter
12:55 PM on 11/19/2010
California has the biggest GDP by far of any US state, I'm sure they will be glad to stop supporting the welfare red states.

States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:

1. New Jersey ($0.62)
2. Connecticut ($0.64)
3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
4. Nevada ($0.73)
5. Illinois ($0.77)
6. Minnesota ($0.77)
7. Colorado ($0.79)
8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
9. California ($0.81)
10. New York ($0.81)

California's economy is the largest of any state in the US, and is the eighth largest economy in the world. As of 2008, the gross state product (GSP) is about $1.85 trillion, which is 13% of the United States gross domestic product (GDP).
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marshallastor
10:49 PM on 11/19/2010
If anything we should stop carrying the other 49 states on our back.
05:41 PM on 11/17/2010
Hurrah!
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wbcoc
My micro-bio is empty
05:10 PM on 11/17/2010
I remember when the environmentalists were pushing to get rid of the paper bag in order to save trees. They brought about the use of plastic bags and supported it as being more recyclable.
I guess if we wait another twenty years we will see the plastic bag again pushed by the environmentalists.
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Minolta
01:13 AM on 11/18/2010
Yes, it was once a terrible thing to hurt a tree. Now the environmentalist say "chop em down burn em".

Of course they once told us that the earth was freezing because of mans pollution and we had to do something to stop the next ice age.

Same old socialists, same old games, let us tell you how to live, you must accept our socialist agenda.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:32 PM on 11/18/2010
Heavens to Betsy you should lose those plastic bags. Freedom smells a lot like serfdom these days.
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RutherfordLaser
Would rather have a macro bio.
09:51 PM on 11/18/2010
You should take the plastic bag off your head. The lack of oxygen is making you say some really silly things.
01:46 PM on 11/18/2010
Actually, I think what this really demonstrates is the futility of trying to find better ways to maintain our wasteful habits. The truth is that there are no good disposable options. It's the whole "disposable" mentality that needs to change.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:32 PM on 11/18/2010
Actually, corn starch based polymers are great. But I agree.
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marshallastor
10:51 PM on 11/19/2010
Agreed. Disposable culture is an illusion. The individual is simply passing the responsibility of their waste on to the society as a whole.
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Forester
Foresters do it in the woods.
04:16 PM on 11/17/2010
As someone who does periodic voluntary beach cleanup in northern California, I can testify to the fact that these plastic bags are the single most common item I dig out of the mud. I have seen dead harbor seals choked on wads of plastic, so I know it is part of the "food" chain. But that is probably just another inconvenient truth to be ridiculed.
Bladernr1001
Vote Libertarian
04:32 PM on 11/17/2010
So now it will be just a differnt kind of bag. many grocery bags get reused. I personally use them for lunch bags, trash can liners and picking up dog crap....now I will have to simply find a substiute bag for these things. So you are going to get a lot of simply substituting one product for another.

I think you are still going to get the occasional animal that chokes on some kind of waste. Banning one specific product is not going to eradicate that.

This all seems driven by a kind of myopic PC mentality...not by people assessing the big picture and considering all the pitfalls and benefits.
05:09 PM on 11/17/2010
You make a valid point, but if you really want to look at the "big picture" you have to understand that plastic never goes away. It doesn't decompose, it simply breaks down into smaller and smaller pieces over many millenia. As it breaks down it is consumed by any number of creatures and enters the food chain, ultimately being consumed by us.

We just have to get beyond the disposable mentality... whether it's trash can liners, lunch bags or grocery sacks. And it's not because of the "poor animals" or "the planet" or any of the other external concerns that the "PC mentality" often professes. It's because when we damage the eco systems we hurt people. We're all connected in this "web of life" and whether you want to see it or not, the words of Chief Seattle (c. 1784-1866), are as true today as they were when he uttered them. "What we do to the web we do to ourselves."
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Forester
Foresters do it in the woods.
06:16 PM on 11/17/2010
Paper bags break down in weeks, plastic bags in decades. Plus plastic bags in the water column appear like prey (jellyfish). I know these facts are not relevant to the "something else will cause problems" approach you advocate, but this specific problem - which also impacts pelagic fish and sea turtles - does have a solution if people actually give a c ra p about anything beyond themselves. Besides, political correctness is not necessarily a bad thing if bother to actually think about it.
04:10 PM on 11/17/2010
After dancing around it for years, I finally made a commitment to use only re-usable bags. Here are some tricks I learned along the way to make it easier:

1) Get more bags than you think you need. For our small household we use about a dozen bags.
2) Keep them in the car. If you can get into the habit of keeping them in the car you never have to worry about having a bag when you stop at the store.
3) Get a variety of sizes and styles of bags. The ones with longer handles are easier to sling over your shoulder, while short handles are much easier for carrying by your side. Canvas are easier to wash, but don't stand up as well on their own. It's much easier if you have a variety to choose from.
4) Keep one on your person at all times. You could get one of those net or nylon bags that folds up really tiny and keep it in your purse or pocket. I've switched to using a canvas bag with pockets as a purse. All of my purse stuff goes in the pockets, and the bag itself is always free for small purchases or whatever. I also keep a half dozen re-usable produce bags in my purse/bag so they're always available when I need them.

Once you form new habits, it's really much easier than disposable!
Bladernr1001
Vote Libertarian
04:33 PM on 11/17/2010
Sounds like a logistical nightmare....glad I live in the OC.
04:53 PM on 11/17/2010
OC?
05:01 PM on 11/17/2010
Ahhhh yes, because it's so much better to poison the oceans and pollute the food chains than to suffer the slightest inconvenience, isn't it?
03:55 PM on 11/17/2010
I thought th purpose of going to plastic was TO SAVE THE TREES.
04:10 PM on 11/17/2010
I fear it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Re-usable is the only way to go!
02:11 PM on 11/17/2010
I beleive Prop 26 may render this law void. Prop 26 passed Nov. 2 requires a 2/3 vote by voters to impose any new tax or "fee". The Sups are imposing a fee of 10 cents for stores to provide paper bags. Since this was not voted on and approved by 2/3 of the voters, it could very well be tossed out in the courts, meaning to impose this fee will require approval by voters. This may not last very long. A lawsuit is comming.
03:42 PM on 11/17/2010
that would be very sad
04:16 PM on 11/17/2010
Prop 26 took effect Nov. 3. Since the LA County Board of Sups didn't follow the law, this can be expected. They should have put it on the ballot for 2012 or called a special election and hope they could get 2/3 approval.

As to whether or not it is sad, I guess really depends on which side of the fence you are on.
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marshallastor
12:10 PM on 11/17/2010
Can we please ban the sale of water and other drinks in single-use plastic bottles next?
Bladernr1001
Vote Libertarian
04:35 PM on 11/17/2010
The slippery slope in action.....why don;t we just all kill oursleves...problem sovled.
02:21 PM on 11/18/2010
Good idea. Thank you for volunteering.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:34 PM on 11/18/2010
You're likely doing it already. Just don't drag me down too, ok?
04:37 PM on 11/17/2010
That would actually have much more impact.
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thrugreeneyez
11:31 AM on 11/17/2010
hooray! It's about time! Plastic bags cause massive permanent pollution and kill marine life. I hate plastic bags and haven't used one in 5 years! Simply use a reusable one, it's EASY!
12:00 PM on 11/17/2010
I too carry my own bags to the market, but on rare occasion, I am found wanting and sometimes take home the plastic bag, which I then re-use as a trashcan liner. Although I appreciate these saving on trashcan liners, I'm not sure that having them conveniently at hand when I'm forgetful outweighs the cost of these plastic bags to our environment. Besides threatening life, what an eyesore they can be - I remember driving through Cambridge recently and seeing plastic bags flying like flags from trees in the medians. What were people thinking when they let those loose?
03:38 PM on 11/17/2010
A natural grocery chain in my area recently stopped offering bags of any kind at any price (except re-usable ones of course). They strongly encourage the use of re-usable bags but also make cardboard boxes available for people who forget (the boxes that the food came in). Seems like a great ideat to me... the boxes get re-used and no disposable bags at all!
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IsabelRingin
You can't await your own arrival...
10:38 AM on 11/17/2010
Good, I hate those plastic bags. I hate ending up with about 40 of them when the same amount of groceries could be put in two paper bags. And I do try and recycle them, I'll carry my lunch to work in them or line a trash container or whatever I can think of. But I'd rather just not get them at all. And that's not even getting into the environmental concerns.
09:59 AM on 11/17/2010
It was very rewarding to see Latinos come out in full support of reducing plastic bag pollution in our communities, rivers, and ocean:

http://www.economicrefugee.net/latinos-at-forefront-of-largest-plastic-bag-ban-in-u-s/

Recyling alone does not tackle the enormity of the problem, communities cleanups alone do not solve the root of the problem; we need GOVERNMENT action as well ... enough with putting off doing something about it!
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LBCityGirl
Go ahead, make my day.
09:14 AM on 11/17/2010
Saving the environment is saving the people.
Bladernr1001
Vote Libertarian
06:58 PM on 11/19/2010
The problem is...banning plastic bags is not "saving" anything.
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marshallastor
10:46 PM on 11/19/2010
And how is it not?