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Ireland Bailout May Be Near As U.K. 'Stands Ready' To Offer Aid

GABRIELE STEINHAUSER   11/17/10 02:52 PM ET   AP

Ireland Bailout

BRUSSELS — European officials geared up to travel to Ireland and lift the lid on just how bad the country's banking woes are, as EU finance ministers struggled Wednesday to come up with a rescue plan that will keep bond market turmoil from spreading to Portugal and Spain.

Irish and European Union officials had vowed the day before to stabilize the banks at the center of the country's financial crisis to restore confidence in the wider 16-nation eurozone, but fell short of agreeing on a bailout. On Wednesday, Britain – which has made savage austerity cuts to avoid a debt crisis of its own – also offered help to protect Ireland's heavily exposed banks.

Ireland insists it does not want a bailout because it has enough money through the middle of next year and is wary of the strings attached to a rescue by the International Monetary Fund.

But EU countries are worried that the turmoil is spreading to affect other highly-indebted countries like Portugal and threatening the stability of the common euro currency.

A euro750 billion ($1 trillion) backstop – set up this spring by eurozone countries and the International Monetary Fund – stands ready to help Ireland and other nations that run out of money, EU officials stressed again Wednesday.

Representatives of the EU, the European Central Bank and the IMF will be in Dublin on Thursday to examine both the government and banks' accounting books. Irish Finance Minister Brian Lenihan said there wouldn't be a decision on whether to request aid for the banks before then.

"The engagement now takes place, that's what's important. It begins later this week," Lenihan said. "Let's look at the facts and make our decision based on that."

Europe's debt troubles have been weighing on stock and bond markets and attracting investor concern well beyond Europe.

In Washington, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said U.S. officials "continue to believe, as we did with Greece, that Europe has the ability to deal with the crisis in Ireland and possibly in other countries."

British Finance Minister George Osborne Wednesday offered support on top of any that might come from the eurozone, saying his country "stands ready to support Ireland" in whatever it needs to do to stabilize its banking system. The U.K. is a member of the EU but not of the eurozone.

Ireland has nationalized three banks and is expected to take over more in a bailout that has already reached euro45 billion ($61 billion) and likely will push the nation's 2010 deficit to a staggering 32 percent of GDP – ten times the level allowed under EU rules.

In addition to the government bailout, Irish banks are also drawing billions of euros from the European Central Bank's liquidity support program, but EU monetary affairs chief Olli Rehn suggested that additional funds might have to come from other sources.

"I am quite confident that it will be very difficult for the ECB to go further than now in the providing of liquidity to some banks in the member states," Rehn said.

The priority for European leaders is containing the Irish woes from spreading to other vulnerable countries in the eurozone, and many think a concrete response is the only solution.

Underlining the importance of a decision on Ireland for the banking sector in the wider eurozone, Josef Ackermann, the chief executive of Deutsche Bank AG, also attended Wednesday's meeting of finance ministers.

"A breakout of any state on the markets right now would lead to contagion and we want to avoid this with all means," Ackermann said. "We have to do everything to catch every country that runs into trouble."

Behind Ireland stands Portugal, one of the eurozone's smaller members with 1.8 percent of its economy but one that is considered by some to have done less than the Irish to bring debt and deficits back under control. Next comes Spain, with a proportionally smaller debt burden but a dead-in-the-water economy that is so big – 11.7 percent of eurozone output – that it could present a much larger challenge if it needs help.

Governments struggling with debt – built up during the recession and in some cases over years of living beyond their means – have slashed spending and raised taxes. But such austerity measures threaten to undermine desperately needed economic growth, in turn making it harder for nations to repay their debts.

In afternoon trading, the interest rate, or yield, on Irish 10-year bonds slipped to 8.16 percent from 8.22 percent at the open, but was still way above what Ireland would be able to pay when it returns to the market next year.

The yield on equivalent Portuguese bonds also inched down slightly, to 6.69 percent to 6.76 percent. However, Germany, Europe's strongest economy, only has to pay 2.6 percent. Bonds being dumped must pay higher rates, while those in demand pay out less.

An Irish bailout would mean humiliation for the government ahead of possible national elections early next year. Ireland would lose some control over its finances in return for loans, which could mean being forced to give up the country's rock-bottom corporate tax rate – a key attraction to businesses that annoys other EU countries that have much higher rates.

The low tax rate helped Ireland become one of Europe's fastest growing economies over the past decade, transforming it from a resident of Europe's poorhouse into a "Celtic tiger." But when the boom collapsed in amid the financial crisis of 2008, Dublin was forced to rescue its banks, which had grown massively in recent years.

Should Ireland request aid after all, it wouldn't take long to raise the necessary money, said Klaus Regling, who runs the European Financial Stability Facility, the eurozone's portion of the euro750 billion financial backstop. It would issue bonds backed by eurozone governments.

"If one of our shareholders requests financial support, then the EFSF would be able to go to the markets very quickly," Regling said. After that, it would take five to eight working days to raise the money, he added.

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Associated Press Writer Shawn Pogatchnik contributed from Dublin.

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BRUSSELS — European officials geared up to travel to Ireland and lift the lid on just how bad the country's banking woes are, as EU finance ministers struggled Wednesday to come up with a rescue...
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smokeystover39
12:05 AM on 11/18/2010
I'm just so-o-o confused. Let's see if I understand Ireland's dilemma: The private sector developers and speculators, with the help of the 3 Irish banks - as I understand it - also in the private sector created huge debts which would have gone mostly unnoticed until the housing market took a hit. Once the collateral became next to worthless the government of Ireland said "Hold on buckos - we'll take on that debt." Big bucks were pumped into the banks which were finally nationalized. Now instead of the banks, their bond and share holders, getting flushed down the crapper through bankruptcy - the entire country is on the hook for the debts. At this point I simply don't understand why taking on MORE debt whether from the ECB or IMF makes the first indebtedness go away. Wouldn't one think that the Irish people will now owe MORE. In our lives we consolidate debt to get a lower interest rate with the hope of an early retirement of our debt. Would we look foolish if we borrowed more without somehow reducing the original debt? Of course. Why then are the Irish smart in loading up on ECB or IMF debt? I think the simple answer is THEY ARE NOT!
07:36 AM on 11/18/2010
I believe you understand the problem, but I dont believe the banks can be said to have been nationalized.
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09:08 AM on 11/18/2010
The banks have been nationalised. The Irish government currently controls 75% of Anglo Irish Bank and it effectively has a controlling share of Allied Irish Banks (AIB). The only major bank not nationalised is Bank of Ireland.

As for why this IMF and the ECB get involved, its because the fear that the government will not have enough capital to function. However the government has said that it has the funds to run the country until the middle of next year.

As an Irish citizen still living in Ireland I can tell you there is a very nervous atmosphere. No one is sure how it will effect the everyday people on the street but we all know it will affect us in one way shape or form. Our economic independence is being threatened because of the ignorance of the people, the risk takers of the country and the fools in power
10:32 PM on 11/17/2010
It's ok to use foreign currency symbols. £€, see it's pretty easy.
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obelis kreative
10:02 PM on 11/17/2010
In all of this I wonder when it became a given that life could not possibly continue without banks to sustain it.
08:48 PM on 11/17/2010
DEAR RICH FOLKS: SUCK IT!

Sincerely, your lowly subjects.
08:46 PM on 11/17/2010
From an angry American- GO IRELAND. I hope they keep firm, refuse this bankster-l­oan-sharki­ng of a bailout and let the banks burn. Ireland will pick herself up without the EU and without the world bank cartel. Either way, we common folk will suffer. Time to adopt a scorched earth policy.

Keep in mind this is the exact doom speak that our American legislators and finance gangsters used to weasel the massive bailouts for the rich. "OH NO! MARTIAL LAW IN THE US IF WE DON'T DO A BAILOUT" "OH NO! THE EU WILL CEASE TO EXIST WITH THIS MASSIVE CORPORATE WELFARE BAILOUT THINGY AND FAST!!"

Again, let them all burn in hell.
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Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
10:30 PM on 11/17/2010
The people that are really suffering in Ireland are not just the banks, the suicide rate is huge, so many people out of work .. you may not like the bail out but it is going to happen ...
09:52 AM on 11/19/2010
If the banks go, they take the common people with them. That's the way the system's rigged. There have been calls to charge some of the bankers with treason, it's sounding better by the day.
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05:10 PM on 11/17/2010
Many aspect of the European integration have been a success, but this bail out spiral is just wrong. The responsible countries shouldn´t have to be bear the burden of the debts of less responsible and dare I say more corrupt nations that have certainly at least helped their own downfall. After ireland it´s Spain, then who knows. I say throw `em out as they fall, and the Euro-zone would be getting stronger and more competitive with each ejection.
06:42 PM on 11/17/2010
It's not about irresponsibility. It's about arbitrary deficit and debt targets and the fact that EU countries can't finance themselves like real countries can. The whole game is rigged for neoliberal torture. That's what's going on now. It's gruesome. The EU system is evil.
09:14 PM on 11/17/2010
It is impossible. It is not about Ireland or Portugal or Greece. No british or german politician is interested in rescueing these states. They want to rescue their banks. If these countries blow up, the big banks in the UK, Germany, France would collapse and with that, the whole economies. That is why they are all so nervous.
07:38 AM on 11/18/2010
Ireland is the UKs largest trading partner, greater than China anyway. Thats why they dont want the Irish economy to go down the crapper.
07:45 AM on 11/18/2010
Well the BBC were saying it was but the figures I'm seeing put i 3rd or 4th depending, still more than China at least.
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deluk
hot mess...
04:20 PM on 11/17/2010
The USA should bail it out, they've treated it like some cute family pet for the last century, the Bo Obama of nations.  Pay it's vets bills.
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Whinger
I'm Just Me!
04:18 PM on 11/17/2010
Getting into more debt to pay for existing debt doesn't seem like a clever option.....

The poor will suffer even more and the fat cats will carry on regardless!
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DD2005
03:05 PM on 11/17/2010
This too funny!! The Irish can't pay back their exisiting debt. What makes the Brits so sure that they will be able to pay back this additional aid? When will anyone learn that you can not solve debt issues with more debt. Let them fail for their fiscal irresponsibilities just like all those that were irresponsible in the United States and around the world are paying for their bad choices by having their homes taken away.

The rule should be simple.....people, Governments etc must learn to accept the consequences of their actions. Good or bad. Who learns any lesson when they are bailed out by the guy next door?

If I was a British taxpayer I would be fuming!!! How long before IRA starts to feel threatened again about their independence and everything turns violent again?
03:27 PM on 11/17/2010
Wow, you're certainly the expert on the Euro. Have you any idea of how stupid you sound.
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DD2005
05:14 PM on 11/17/2010
Enlighten me. Tell me how this flawed currency can possibly survive if one nation, Germany, seems to be bearing the brunt of all the irresponsible nations within the union?

I also fail to see how one can sound stupid when stating that people and nations must face the consequences of their actions.

The Debt of these PIIG nations is too much to overcome. Whether it be today, tomorrow or next year, something dramatic is going to happen with regards to the Euro. I know more about the Euro than you think.
09:24 PM on 11/17/2010
The consequence would be, that the British and German banks would collapse. That is the only reason, why the UK and Germany are involved in that. They don't give the money, because they are so worried about the Irish people.
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09:28 PM on 11/17/2010
Hello, Alexander-there was no reply button on a response that you kindly wrote to me on another thread, so I shall address you here:

You said that another holocaust was more likely in the US than in Europe.

You are right, which is why good people should never stop talking about holocaust and genocide.

You may have never heard of  "The Turner Diaries". It's the bible of the American right wing-you should look it upl

Best wishes to you.
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DD2005
11:07 PM on 11/17/2010
And that would be a product of their greed and as such would need to deal with the consequences. Actually, the German plan is much firmer and would kill the private equty investors and is a plan that should be adopted. The free lunch is over. Banks, Governments and society in general has to realize there are no more free lunches. If Ireland goes broke so be it...the deserve it. If I mismanage my funds and go broke...too bad for me. It is unfortunate for honest hard working citizens but Ireland clearly says they don't want the bailout and don't need it. It is being shoved down their throats....they will lose any independance they had left. Something they fought so hard to get.
03:00 PM on 11/17/2010
The Irish banks borrowed heavily from other banks, the two biggest groups of creditors being German and UK banks at around £40 Billion each. The biggest of the UK creditors is RBS, which is owned by the British government, after it was bailed out of its own problems by the British taxpayer. The taxpayer has a stake in other creditor banks as well.

So, what George Osborne probably has in mind is not sending suitcases full of cash over to Dublin, more a restructuring of that inter-bank debt. If the Irish banks and economy go completely down the tubes then the debt will have to be wholly or partly written off anyway, so this is pure self interest.
12:15 PM on 11/17/2010
Another one of many shoes....
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12:09 PM on 11/17/2010
What's this? I've always heard the conservatives crow about the economy in Ireland! That they're doing so well because the corporate taxes are so low. Everyone is moving there!

Gee... I can't understand what happened here?
12:02 PM on 11/17/2010
I wonder who is going to bail out the UK and Germany after they bail out the rest of Europe.
09:18 PM on 11/17/2010
No one. Next step would be a huge inflation and at last a currency reform with the result, that former savings would be worthless. In the last 100 years that happened here in Germany twice (1923 and 1946).
The US with their huge debts are also on the best way to that situation.
11:47 AM on 11/17/2010
The UK offer aid? What is this? Austerians stand together? I thought there was nothing left, Mr Osborne. If this is being contemplated, please, please, please British media, please tell the British people what austerity has done to Ireland?
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Ron Broxted
11:21 AM on 11/17/2010
The Irish government is wary as the EU will not permit the decades old corruption and nepotism to go unchecked. Still, what does one expect of a parliament led by and for the mediocre?
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deluk
hot mess...
11:30 AM on 11/17/2010
That cannot be, Ireland has the blarney stone and leprechauns and craic and honest folk with cheery smiles.
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Ron Broxted
01:17 PM on 11/17/2010
If you kiss the Blarney stone it tastes of tourists lipstick. As Behan said "Mother Ireland, Mother Ireland, get of my ***king back."