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Critics Blast Obama On Faith-Based Hiring Rules

Obama Faith Office Criticism

First Posted: 11/19/10 08:51 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

By Adelle M. Banks
Religion News Service

WASHINGTON (RNS) A day after ordering a host of changes to the White House's faith-based office, President Obama is facing mounting criticism for keeping in place Bush-era policies that allow faith-based social service providers to hire and fire based on religion.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers on Thursday (Nov. 18) voiced frustration that he has yet to hear administration plans to change those policies. He and other lawmakers were disappointed that no White House officials attended a subcommittee hearing on the faith-based office.

"This isn't a matter of one branch of government drawing a veil over a subject of this immediate importance and we have to guess or try to figure out what and why and when something further is coming," Conyers, D-Mich, said at the hearing.

"The president explicitly campaigned and made many remarks about this, not only as a candidate but as a senator, and we don't propose to wait any longer."

Obama's executive order on Wednesday was based on recommendations from a blue-ribbon advisory council that was told early on by the White House that the hiring question would not be part of its portfolio.

At issue is whether religious groups that receive federal grants can hire and fire employees based on religious affiliation. The Bush administration supported that policy, but Obama campaigned against it.

The White House said such questions will be handled on a case-by-case basis by the Justice Department.

"The administration looks forward to continuing to work with Congress and organizations from across the spectrum to ensure that federal faith-based initiatives are grounded in sound law and policy," said White House spokesman Shin Inouye on Thursday.

The Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told lawmakers that it is "ethically and legally wrong" for a religious group to consider religion in hiring when a job is funded with public money.

"In my experience, a Baptist does not ladle out rice in a soup kitchen differently than does a Buddhist," he said.

Douglas Laycock, a scholar on religious liberty at the University of Virginia, said the changes advocated by Lynn and others would tie the hands of religious groups.

"It uses the power of the purse to coerce religious organizations to become less religious and more secular," he told lawmakers. "This committee should not try to force the administration into doing it."

The Rev. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, said the attention on Capitol Hill should send a signal to the White House officials that they cannot ignore a thorny legal question that has raised concerns among supporters and critics alike.

"It was a warning, almost, that the administration is leaving an important constitutional issue unresolved and it is time to resolve it," he said.

Obama's executive order was generally welcomed for clarifying the rights of people who receive services from federally funded groups, and for promising greater transparency about who receives such grants and the rules they must follow. But activists from across the political
spectrum chided Obama for not tackling what Lynn called the "800-pound gorilla in the room."

"This admittedly divisive issue cannot be kicked down the road forever," said J. Brent Walker, executive director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty. "The president missed an opportunity on this point. It's simply wrong for the government to subsidize religious discrimination."

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il cane pazzo
09:36 AM on 11/29/2010
"Faith-based" is a misnomer, pure bull sheet. What these groups are is dogma-based and discriminatory by design.
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gunthli
05:05 PM on 11/28/2010
Get rid of the office altogether - it doesn't belong in the White House and should have never been created. Then there will be no fights over who can fire whom.
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WarriorLemming
Willard Romney, "runs-with-scissors".
04:40 PM on 11/28/2010
QUOTE:
"President Obama is facing mounting criticism for keeping in place Bush-era policies that allow faith-based social service providers to hire and fire based on religion."

The Repugs want to cut funds to other Social Services what does one do when you have no religion and the programs you would normally rely on as a safety net are cut. Would you be forced to use the religious social services who might resent you for not following their ways?

My husband, who was born and raised in Poland, says that it happened there--food was distributed through the churches and of course the church faithful got first choice.
12:33 AM on 11/28/2010
The Rev. Barry Lynn says,

"In my experience, a Baptist does not ladle out rice in a soup kitchen differently than does a Buddhist," he said.

Here is the difference:

Luke 17:34-35 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”
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il cane pazzo
09:32 AM on 11/29/2010
So you are advocating that only the rapture eligible be be hired by religious groups? What if the group running the show is of anther religion? You'd have to agree then that it would be okay for that group to exclude rapture eligibles. Wouldn't like that, would you? You cross worshipers are all so silly.
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Vangennep
11:31 AM on 11/29/2010
Then it would make sense to staff with people who are more likely to finish their shift.
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themodernleader
09:36 PM on 11/27/2010
   To claim that Obama is a spend-off of Bush is full of supporting examples.    Religion must be kept separate from politics.  Religion is a question of faith----a personal matter.
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WarriorLemming
Willard Romney, "runs-with-scissors".
04:43 PM on 11/28/2010
I agree wholeheartedly, themodernleader. If these extreme religious right ever have their way and try to combine the two there will be h3ll to pay.
cynt77
Stop The MADNESS!
08:38 PM on 11/25/2010
Isn't this like an ALL WHITE country club? They don't receive public funds, tho, are still frowned upon. They aren't even faith-based. A faith-based group can run their organization as their faith dictates, but should not include unreasonable discrimination - unless public funds are NOT utilized.
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WorkhelpWorkhelp
Control your money locally. Charter banks now.
04:36 AM on 11/25/2010
Someone else mentioned this a while back but it bears repeating.
Many large hospitals are faith based, and an across the board repeal might cause interruptions.

Measure twice. Cut once.
07:45 PM on 11/24/2010
The best way to get around this as an issue is to replace all faith based charity personnel with automated machines and dispensaries.
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
05:55 PM on 11/24/2010
"It uses the power of the purse to coerce religious organizations to become less religious and more secular,"
Listen, Buddy, when that money comes from my taxes, I want it to be secular! At least, to the extent of fair and unbiased hiring and employment practices, and to just distribution of help.
10:35 AM on 11/24/2010
Why do Republicans and the Right hate him so? I think Obama makes a fine Republican president.
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WarriorLemming
Willard Romney, "runs-with-scissors".
04:48 PM on 11/28/2010
haha, sometimes I wonder. Mostly it because he's an African-American. Those mouth-breathing, southern whites don't take kindly to a black man leading the way or having any dominance over them. I'm sure it was spoken more than once down there since President Obama won the election, "I'm glad mother/daddy didn't live to see this!" lol
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Sam Badger
05:06 PM on 11/21/2010
I'm fine with faith groups getting public money to do good. I'm NOT fine with faith groups getting public money while refusing to hire gays, heathens, apostates, and other that they don't like.

If they want to discriminate, fine by them, but they should NOT BE GIVEN TAXPAYER MONEY. Ever.

Obama, listen to your constituents for a change! We don't want Catholic firing gays and Muslims firing Hindus if they are using PUBLIC MONEY.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:21 PM on 11/22/2010
I have been fighting this battle with a fundie over at change.org. If an institution wishes to discriminate against those of whom it does not approve, then let them forgo federal funding. I am getting sick to death of the fundies wanting it both ways. If you discriminate, do not accept federal funds.
04:09 PM on 11/21/2010
Enough. Taxpayers and the government should not be funding Faith based initiatives period.

Churches in this country are a business with tax exemptions. If they want to fund programs with the money they keep from donations and their tax exempt stautus--great. No more tax dollars to fund discrimination or to push a religious agenda.

We need to be done with this.
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WarriorLemming
Willard Romney, "runs-with-scissors".
04:49 PM on 11/28/2010
Agreed! f&f ;)
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03:27 PM on 11/21/2010
Oh he//, no soup for me!!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:23 PM on 11/22/2010
If I was hungry and homeless (have been both) and a soup kitchen or shelter wanted me to say I was sinful or would be willing to accede to their conditions for a meal or a bed, they sure as hell better not be getting federal funds because if they are, I'm going after them in court.
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Hillbilly49
Don't tell me you are a Christian; let me guess.
02:56 PM on 11/21/2010
"Some of you say religion makes people happy. So does laughing gas."
— Clarence Darrow
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rgilley
07:16 AM on 11/21/2010
"The administration looks forward to continuing to work with Congress and organizations from across the spectrum to ensure that federal faith-based initiatives are grounded in sound law and policy," said White House spokesman Shin Inouye on Thursday."

Well then perhaps the administration should take a quick look at

Article VI "...no reigious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any office or public Trust under the United States"

ANy "faith based" eg church based organization should never get federal funds period. Obama is simply courting the religionist vote. It's time we got religion out of politics or take the tax exempt status away from "faith based" organizations. Religious right gave us Bush...who gave us THIS:

The Lost Decade
Census Data Out lines
Bush Era Set backs in
Poverty, Income, and
Health Coverage

• Income and Jobs: Inflation-adjusted incomes fell further under George W. Bush than
under any president since reporting began. Unemployment rose 81 percent.

• Poverty: The poverty rate jumped 17 percent from 2000 to 2008, with over 8 million
more Americans living below the poverty line.

• Health Coverage: The number of uninsured Americans increased over 20 percent
to an all-time high of 46.3 million, including a dramatic 157 percent increase in the
population of uninsured Americans over the age of 65.

http://www.dlc.org/documents/TheLostDecade.pdf