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Economists Take Aim At Bonuses For Teachers With Master's Degrees

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DONNA GORDON BLANKINSHIP   11/20/10 03:09 PM ET   AP

SEATTLE — Every year, American schools pay more than $8.6 billion in bonuses to teachers with master's degrees, even though the idea that a higher degree makes a teacher more effective has been mostly debunked.

Despite more than a decade of research showing the money has little impact on student achievement, state lawmakers and other officials have been reluctant to tackle this popular way for teachers to earn more money.

That could soon change, as local school districts around the country grapple with shrinking budgets.

Just this week, U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan said the economy has given the nation an opportunity to make dramatic improvements in the productivity of its education system and to do more of what works and less of what doesn't.

Duncan told the American Enterprise Institute on Wednesday that master's degree bonuses are an example of spending money on something that doesn't work.

On Friday, billionaire Bill Gates took aim at school budgets and the master's degree bonus.

"My own state of Washington has an average salary bump of nearly $11,000 for a master's degree – and more than half of our teachers get it. That's more than $300 million every year that doesn't help kids," he said.

"And that's one state," said Gates, the co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, at a speech Friday in Louisville to the Council of Chief State School Officers. Gates also took aim at pensions and seniority.

"Of course, restructuring pay systems is like kicking a beehive," he acknowledged.

As of 2008, 48 percent of public school teachers in this country had a master's degree or above, and nearly every one of them got a bonus of between $1,423 and $10,777 each year, according to research from the University of Washington.

Most school budgets have been tight for years, with districts trimming everything from printing to teachers.

Michael Podgursky, an economics professor at the University of Missouri, said the economic downturn may force payroll reform in some places where the political will has been lacking. And they don't have to blow up the old system to do it, he said.

"We're experimenting now," he said, noting pay-for-performance experiments in New York City, Houston and Nashville.

Ninety percent of teachers' masters degrees are in education, not subjects such as English or math, according to a study by Marguerite Roza and Raegen Miller for the Center on Reinventing Education at the University of Washington.

Their colleague, research professor Dan Goldhaber, explained that that research dating back to a study he did in 1997 has shown that students of teachers with master's degrees show no better progress in student achievement than their peers taught by teachers without advanced degrees.

Goldhaber said his findings were criticized vehemently in the 1990s, but repeated studies since then have confirmed the results.

Roza and Miller found more than 2 percent of total education spending in 13 states – Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Minnesota, Nevada, New York, Ohio and South Carolina, plus Washington and Nebraska, where the dollars topped 3 percent – went to masters degree bonuses.

The American Federation of Teachers, the nation's second largest teachers union doesn't oppose changes in the way teachers are paid and is willing to talk about just about any reform idea, said Rob Weil, deputy director of educational issues.

"We're not opposed to looking at compensation systems and making sure our compensation moves forward and changes with the times," he said. But, he adds, "Change for change's sake isn't what we ought to be doing."

Weil said the problem is that most school districts don't know what they want to do instead of the traditional salary schedule that gives teachers more money for years of service and additional education.

"I go into school districts all the time and say, 'What do you want to pay for?' and that's when nobody's home," he said.

The National Education Association, which is the nation's largest teacher's union, has floated the idea of paying higher starting salaries for teachers to attract more and better teachers to the profession. Others have suggested rewarding teachers for student achievement gains.

American teacher pay has been structured the same way in every state since before World War II. Before then, high school teachers were paid more than primary school instructors. Establishing one pay rate was a feminist issue since teachers in the younger grades used to be mostly women and most high school teachers were men.

Even in states where teacher pay is set by the school district according to market factors, the pay schedule has been the same way for many decades, Podgursky said.

Debating a change could be more controversial and unpopular than cutting chocolate milk from the school cafeteria menu.

But education economists believe this idea can't be ignored forever, because teacher pay is the biggest part of education budgets and the salary schedule drives that spending.

Erick Hanushek, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, said this kind of contract change would be difficult but not impossible, despite teachers unions being among the most influential lobbies in many state capitols.

School districts won't save much money because they won't be able to cut teacher pay overall, but they could start redirecting cash to the most effective teachers, as measured in ways other than what degrees they have earned, he said.

Teachers may need to accept a two-tiered system at first to grandfather in those getting the bonuses. The biggest losers will be university education schools, because they make a lot of money on master's degrees, Hanushek said.

"There's a relationship between education schools and teachers that is not particularly healthy," he said.

Hanushek said the University of Washington estimate of the $8.6 billion annual cost of master's degree money is low.

"It's what you would call free money, but not from a political standpoint," he said.

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GreenKate
12:36 AM on 12/06/2010
So glad to see Mr. Gates cracking down on that 11 grand for teachers. Disgusting. I will keep using this old apple laptop until the hinges fall off.
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ThomasPaine1776
Left is right; Right is wrong
12:11 AM on 11/28/2010
Everyone wants to rip on teachers. That's OK. Keep doing it. Just don't lower our pay. If you lower our pay, we will STRIKE. When we STRIKE, the streets will be filled with UNRULY teenage MANIACS that you CAN NOT CONTROL. There will be CRIME IN THE STREETS, CHAOS, MAYHEM and DESTRUCTION on a scale SO HUGE that only JERRY BRUCKHIEMER or IRWIN ALLEN can possibly imagine.
11:55 PM on 11/27/2010
So they are advocating...pay teachers less...encourage teachers to be less educated and then is supposed to raise achievement and attract better teachers. The teaching profession already struggles to attract the most talented and intelligent candidates since they can make much more in other professions (which ahem ahem pay more at least to start for more education). I know I am only a lowly teacher but it doesn't make sense to me. As it is, teaching has become the fall back job for people that failed at their first major or career under the assumption that anyone can do it. They usually come in through an alternative program with little education in EDUCATION and dollars + time is wasted on giving them the training they should have had before they started. Surely, there is some benefit to being minimally competent at your job when you start. Yes, we will surely attract better teachers with less pay....makes perfect sense.
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Retrofuturistic
see things as they really are
05:24 PM on 11/27/2010
Part of the problem is that teachers who get "master's degrees" by going to the Ramada Inn every Saturday morning for six months get the same benefits as those who go to more academically rigorous universities.
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Brokenduck
The Loyal Opposition.
09:55 PM on 11/26/2010
I am a substitute teacher who is completing a single subject credential in Social Studies and English. It was my dream to get a master's degree in history, as I couldn't imagine teaching a subject in which I couldn't show more than a basic knowledge. Of course, I have had to shelf that plan, as I have been told by everyone, including a faculty member at the school I am currently attending, that a master's degree will mean "unemployment".

Education is the latest issue in which I hear the echo, "shock doctrine....shock doctrine". Yes, I am referencing Naomi Klein's excellent book by that title. I cannot imagine any more than two reasons why this issue of teacher pay has become so salient: privatizing schools and destroying teacher's unions. I expect this sort of thing from the Republicans, but having to hear members of Obama's own cabinet declare war on teachers by fiat, without convening a congress of experts from every state and every type of school...anything resembling a meeting of great minds.....this upsets me to no end. In education, Obama has been as much of a disaster as George W. And on this issue, no one cannot blame W. for this performance thus far.

All of you teachers out there, take notice: in this day and age, what you give up will never be won back. That is a fact.
02:04 PM on 11/26/2010
What is referred to as a "bonus" is the education system paying for what it says it values: an education. It is hard to tell students that an education is valuable and maintain a straight face, if the school systems do not pay their employees for their own education.
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GreenKate
12:40 AM on 12/06/2010
Someday maybe the community will also value top students as much as star athletes.
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Lam56
Sic gloria transit Monday.
10:51 AM on 11/26/2010
I am a social studies teacher with a Master's in history. But that is really not here or there. After being a second-career teacher for more than 20 years, I have become convinced that the best teachers are the "naturals," those who were just born to be teachers. Of course methods classes are helpful, but learning how to make lesson plans won't help if you can't naturally command a classroom; and I don't mean acting as a dictator. The fact is if the kids who walk into your class don't believe you know what what you are doing, if they're not engaged, forget about teaching them.

There is a teacher at my private school who once just walked in the door. He had a degree in engineering but couldn't find a job. He asked the then principal if there were any teaching jobs open, admitting he had never been a teacher; the principal took him into a classroom filled with kids, asked the teacher in charge to take and seat and told this "applicant" to teach the kids something. The applicant proceed to do a lesson on ancient Egypt that has the kids enthralled. He was hired on the spot, and has now taught at the school for 35 years. He never got a single teaching credential, but the kids and parents love him--as do his fellow teachers.

The problem is this: How do you find these teachers and put them in our country's classrooms?
09:47 AM on 11/26/2010
Mybe we should use the wonderful "market-oriented" approach to salary/bonus that is used on Wall St. Run the schools into the ground and then take multi-million dollar bonuses and receive loads of praise and be given even more control as a result. Is that what our corporate masters would prefer?
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teacher39years
Educational Reformers need to be "Reformed."
10:36 AM on 11/26/2010
When Walmart (the Walton Foundation) is involved in School Reform, I'm very suspicious. They wrote the book on cheap labor.
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BlueGreen55
Capitalism w/o Morals is like Faith w/o Works-dead
12:43 PM on 11/26/2010
I agree and also take everything the American Enterprise Institute proports with a least a case of salt.
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mburgh
Come Back Samuel Gompers
02:56 PM on 11/25/2010
The problem is that teachers take teaching MAs intstead of MA's in a subject that would make them more proficient in their area, or any area, really. Also, the test-infected world of America needs to be lanced badly. I would never teach in an environment that forced me into teaching students to pass a meaningless test that has no bearing to life or learning. You want education: 1. teaches who have a knowledge of a subject not education. 2. Higher teacher pay to attract more accomplished people. 3. Smaller, smaller, smaller, classes. 5. Abolish all testing.

I've been teaching since 1984, and the group of college students coming from the NCLB era are the most helpless and rude I've ever taught.
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teacher39years
Educational Reformers need to be "Reformed."
10:49 AM on 11/26/2010
If you've been teaching since 1984, you have seen the longitudinal effect of school reform. I wonder why the reforms don't keep "data" on their own progress.
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mburgh
Come Back Samuel Gompers
12:25 PM on 11/26/2010
if I had my druthers, educational reforms would be marked as toxic waste.
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kitkat7
In a progressive country change is constant
12:53 AM on 12/06/2010
Sorry, but #3, although intuitive to us teachers, has not been shown to have statistically significant results on student achievement either. Not entirely sure about #1, but my gut is that it hasn't either. I'd say that it might be true for 9-12, but not so much for K - 8. Merit Pay schemes, including the much vaunted "value added" measures being implemented in so many states today, are as "unproven" as the current education and experience based career ladders in place today. And when something claims to be "research-based" you still have to take the claims with a grain of salt. Many states have been claiming fantastic gains on their state testing measures each year while the fact remains that nationwide scores on the NAEP (whose standards have been consistent throughout the NCLB years) have remained flat and even declined in some areas nationwide.

Teacher quality and retention of quality teachers is a multi-faceted problem which is not easily solved. It requires the sustained attention of not only the education field, but that of society as a whole as well. Compensation reform is definitely a part of the needed overhaul, but it it not a panacea. Anyone truly engaged in the struggle of education acknowledges this fact.
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Karen McCaughan
"Cogita ante salis."
02:11 PM on 11/25/2010
How many people in the private sector actually pay for their own advanced classes? Most corporations still offer an education benefit to their employees. Teachers are never offered that benefit...they pay for that Masters degree out of pocket. Many teachers are paid monthly not bi-weekly...so the end of the month frequently has more days than money.

Yes the system needs overhauling......but real overhauling. The school monies should not be tied to mill rate (housing tax); it should be something that won't get voters so worked up every year AND will allow some of the ideas that many people have to come to fruition.

Our teachers perform heroically on very small salaries.
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kitkat7
In a progressive country change is constant
01:16 AM on 12/06/2010
Agreed! I'm currently working on a doctorate in instructio¬nal technology (at my own cost!), and I was struck by many of the assumption¬s about training encountere¬d in my current class on effective communicat¬ion. Much of the course was grounded in business examples which had little if no applicabil¬ity to my teaching context. Yes we have teams and groups in education, but we don't have hours a day to invest in team building and facilitate¬d problem solving. The very assumption that a hired "skilled facilitato¬r" would be something available to use in the K12 arena is laughable.

Most profession¬als considered at a comparable profession¬al level to an educator have access (shared if not exclusive) to an administra¬tive assistant. None of the 30+ teachers at our school does. We have a "copy assistant" for the entire school who will make up to 2500 copies a month for us if we have the request in 48 hrs in advance. That works out to about 25 copies per student per month, or 12 front and back pages per student. That's about 3 front and back pages per week, including tests, quizzes, etc. Think about your business situation. What would happen if you received a mandate that you could only give each of your employees 3 front/back copies of informatio¬n per week. Pretty appalling, right? Or maybe each employee has computer access so it would be as big a deal. In our school, we have approximately .1 computers per student.
01:09 AM on 11/25/2010
"the idea that a higher degree makes a teacher more effective has been mostly debunked."

Debunked by what study? I'm so tired of this bs. It's just another excuse to fire qualified teachers and hire TFers and other unqualifed individual.
12:55 AM on 11/24/2010
I am so tired of reading and hearing about how over-paid teachers are in the United States. Give me a break! After working in the corporate world for ten years with just a Bachelor's degree, I earned far more than what I do now as a high school English teacher with her MA. I went from making almost 50K to 31K. I have to buy my own school supplies, supplies for my students, I spend countless hours grading, planning, and collaborating with parents and other teachers outside of the school day (for which I'm not paid). I am also expected to earn continuing credit in order to maintain my credential and yet receive no tuition reimbursement for these costs. It seems to me that our government, political leaders, and a lot of our wonderful taxpayers want education to be free. Haven't we learned by now, that nothing is free in this world? How can we expect our students, children, and nations future leaders to value education, if we as a country don't value it enough to pay our teachers higher salaries? The fact is, teachers are one of the biggest influences on future generations and yet so many Americans want to deny them decent wages, new textbooks, reasonable class sizes, and free continuing education classes. Wake up America, because your priorities will determine the future prosperity of our nation! Doing the same thing, expecting a different result is insanity! Has cutting spending on education worked in the past?
01:18 PM on 11/24/2010
In high capitalism, nothing is valued except that which can be profitable to the robber barons. The rich send their kids to great suburban public or private schools while the poor are stuck with what they get. Rich schools get great teachers because they pay well, have smaller class sizes and a lot of community support. Poor schools get either the bottom of the barrel teachers or great teachers with high hopes of changing things until they get too exhausted and burned out to care any more. My district has horrible working conditions, over crowded classes, the lowest pay in the chicago area for teachers, but the highest for the administrators, who are corrupt, self-serving (most come from out of state to grab another pension) and not connected to the community. There is misuse of funds (especially Title I), for trips, conferences and bonuses, while the students get nothing. These kids would be completely screwed if it weren't for the great teachers (about 50% of the staff) who give their all, but simply can't keep it up for 30 years. Ultimately, many give up, quit, move on, or become one of the teachers who leave a 3 everyday getting their professional satisfaction somewhere else. The rich kids get great schools, community involvement and value and support their teachers.
This is the world we live in.
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LetsGoSteve
01:59 PM on 11/25/2010
The problem with teacher pay is the lack of free market forces.
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BlueGreen55
Capitalism w/o Morals is like Faith w/o Works-dead
12:39 PM on 11/26/2010
The problem with teacher pay is people like you who think "free market forces" are ALWAYS the answer. The real problem with teacher pay is that it is too low (like fire and police) for what they put up with and do for ALL OF US everyday. I suspect you are suspicious of any scientific authority as well, when the very foundation of our Society and what has made us great is what teachers have provided - an educated population that can take advantage of the science that is known.
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kitkat7
In a progressive country change is constant
01:21 AM on 12/06/2010
Since I can never come up with as good an argument against business forces in education as a successful business man can, please read this and get back to us -

http://teachers.net/gazette/JUN02/vollmer.html
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hugatree
Retired teacher, writer
06:20 PM on 11/23/2010
Effectiveness as a teacher is dependent on many factors. One of those, especially in upper grades, is understanding of one's subject matter. I was a good teacher when I had a Bachelor's degree in my field. I was a much better teacher after I had earned my Masters. I better understood the complexities of my field and had a more global view of my subject matter. I believe I made better choices about both the what AND the how of my lessons after completing my Masters.
12:44 PM on 11/23/2010
Bonus? You've got to be kidding. Stop framing teacher salaries in Wall Street terms. Bankers and hedge fund managers get bonuses. Teachers get paltry raises.
For example, I spent over 20,000 in extra schooling for a Masters Degree for a $1000 raise.

These are the people who get bonuses:
http://us2­­.campaign­-­archive.­co­m/?u=cf­b5b­3dae0d­0b7d­a2e94­9d8d1­&id=­078f7e­fb2­2&e=2e4­c6­c94e1
12:39 PM on 11/23/2010
These are the "reformers" and "educational economists" in angst over teachers pay scales. Fair salaries for human capital is such a drag on profits.

http://us2­.campaign-­archive.co­m/?u=cfb5b­3dae0d0b7d­a2e949d8d1­&id=078f7e­fb22&e=2e4­c6c94e1

Here's a blurb from the flier:

"Last year, a group of about a dozen education reformers, entrepreneurs and investors met in snowy Sun Valley for a series of discussions on the progress of education reform and the opportunities and risks associated with private sector investment in the space. The result was three days of creative thinking and camaraderie, collaboration and planning. And of course, skiing"
04:53 PM on 11/24/2010
"Fair salaries for human capital is such a drag on profits."

F&F for that, and I'm going to quote this. Best line I've read here in awhile.