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UPDATE: TSA Will Work To Make Pat-Downs Less Invasive, John Pistole Says

JIM ABRAMS   11/21/10 09:11 PM ET   AP

Tsa Chief John Pistole
TSA Chief John Pistole

WASHINGTON — The head of the agency responsible for airport security, facing protests from travelers and pressure from the White House, appeared to give ground Sunday on his position that there would be no change in policies regarding invasive passenger screening procedures.

Transportation Security Administration head John Pistole said in a statement that the agency would work to make screening methods "as minimally invasive as possible," although he gave no indication that screening changes were imminent.

The statement came just hours after Pistole, in a TV interview, said that while the full-body scans and pat-downs could be intrusive and uncomfortable, the high threat level required their use. "No, we're not changing the policies," he told CNN's "State of the Union."

Pistole said that, as in all nationwide security programs, "there is a continual process of refinement and adjustment to ensure that best practices are applied."

Still, he pointed to the alleged attempt by a Nigerian with explosives in his underwear to try to bring down an Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight last Christmas. "We all wish we lived in a world where security procedures at airports weren't necessary," Pistole said, "but that just isn't the case."

In his earlier TV appearance, Pistole appeared to shrug off statements by President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton that the agency would look for ways to alter screening techniques that some passengers say are invasions of privacy.

Obama said in Lisbon on Saturday that he had asked TSA officials whether there's a less intrusive way to ensure travel safety. "I understand people's frustrations," he said, adding that he had told the TSA that "you have to constantly refine and measure whether what we're doing is the only way to assure the American people's safety."

Clinton, appearing Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," said she thought "everyone, including our security experts, are looking for ways to diminish the impact on the traveling public" and that "striking the right balance is what this is about."

She, for one, wouldn't like to submit to a security pat-down.

"Not if I could avoid it. No. I mean, who would?" Clinton told CBS' "Face the Nation."

"Clearly it's invasive, it's not comfortable," Pistole said of the scans and pat-downs during the TV interview. But, he added, "if we are to detect terrorists, who have again proven innovative and creative in their design and implementation of bombs that are going to blow up airplanes and kill people, then we have to do something that prevents that."

Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., who is set to become Transportation Committee chairman when Republicans take over the House in January, differed with the approach.

"I don't think the rollout was good and the application is even worse. This does need to be refined. But he's saying it's the only tool and I believe that's wrong," Mica, a longtime critic of the TSA, said on CNN.

With the peak traveling season nearing, air travelers are protesting new requirements at some U.S. airports that they must pass through full-body scanners that produce a virtually naked image. The screener, who sits in a different location, does not see the face of the person being screened and does not know the traveler's identity.

Those who refuse to go through the scanners are subject to thorough pat-downs that include agency officials touching the clothed genital areas of passengers.

Pistole was shown videos of people being patted down where the screeners touched the breasts of a woman, felt into the pants of another person and felt the crotch of a man. He said all three cases were proper and that the gloves of the screener who felt inside the pants were then tested for explosive trace residue.

Pistole added that very few people receive the pat-down. People who go through the new advanced imaging machines available at some 70 airports are usually not subject to pat-downs, he said.

Pistole said that while watch lists and other intelligence sources help the TSA pick out travelers who might pose greater risks, rules against profiling mean that some people who are less of a risk, such as the elderly or the disabled, must sometimes undergo pat-downs.

"I want to be sympathetic to each of the negative experiences. We've had extensive outreach to a number of different disability community groups, a number of different outreach efforts to try to say, how can we best work with those in your community to effect security while respecting your dignity and privacy," he said.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., appearing on CBS, said Congress would hold hearings on the "very controversial" issue of how to strike the right balance. Asked how he would feel about submitting to a pat-down, Hoyer said, "I don't think any of us feel that the discomfort and the delay is something that we like, but most people understand that we've got to keep airplanes safe."

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reveal5 05:11 PM on 11/21/2010
 Most folks are ok with the procedures. Most would rather get patted down than blown to smithereens. Some folks don't want any government intrusion, in any way, ever.  I think there should be a battalion of explosive sniffing Labs. Labs being Labrador Retrievers. Or, ask to be profiled. It isn't illegal if you request to be questioned instead of scanned or patted down. The problem  for  Read More...
11:48 AM on 12/04/2010
I'm nearly 72. On Nov 2, I willingly went through the body scanner at Houston Intl, but was forced to submit to an aggressive pat down. It was one of the worst experiences in my life. The people who claim the pat downs aren't all that bad haven't experienced recent ones. I've been patted down in Frankfort, Germany; what happened was something entirely different from that.
On Nov 12, returning to Houston, I flew from Reagan airport (within sight of the White House, Capitol, etc.). No body scan; NO pat down. Obviously, TSA isn't worried about Washington.
I've said from the get-go we needed to profile like the Israeli's do. But, this isn't politically correct. Still . . . with Al Qaida now using condom-filled explosives, how many Americans will accept a body cavity search? So, the government is protecting us using methods that are "behind the time" as well as unacceptable.
I've thought a lot about what happened to make sure I wasn't overreacting. I usually fly 6-8 times per year (often First Class). I've already paid for 2.5 trips, but plan to cancel the rest. Living in Houston, I can't get to the east coast by train (guess what? Amtrak hasn't repaired the track east of New Orleans since Katrina!), so I guess I won't be traveling there. I'm voting with my feet.
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An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind
06:02 PM on 11/24/2010
Oh, that one got through. Weird. Are their new rules for comments. Because I am posting comments WELL within the lines and they are getting kick-backed :-(
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CrazyThisIs
An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind
06:01 PM on 11/24/2010
Their equation, not mine.
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CrazyThisIs
An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind
06:00 PM on 11/24/2010
How long are comments taking from this story to get Okay'd by moderators? Is is because I disagreed with someone equating the TSA with 1930's Nazi Sypathizers?
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12:14 PM on 11/24/2010
Fire him!
11:45 AM on 11/24/2010
Time to buy stock in the latex glove industry.
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CrazyThisIs
An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind
06:04 PM on 11/24/2010
Ahh, I missed out on the duck tape/ plastic sheeting bubble. Don't want to miss out on this one :-)
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laaambchop
Cheerfulness is a sign of wisdom
09:12 AM on 11/25/2010
I wonder what will happen when someone has an allergic reaction to the latex?
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03:22 PM on 11/23/2010
I noticed that they don't change their gloves after each pat down. My son has severe allergies, asthma, and a skin condition. If the agent were to pat down, say, a person who cuddled with their cat before they left home, and then pat down my son, he would be very sick by the time we got on the plane! Also, what about other contagious things, like pink eye, herpes, flu, etc? This whole thing seems very unhygienic and invasive.
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12:52 PM on 11/23/2010
For anyone who needs more proof that this is a sham:
http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter
the actual audio of the experience:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkRPS0pSScQ&feature=player_embedded
11:14 AM on 11/24/2010
Thank you very much for your post.
11:24 AM on 11/24/2010
That took a whole lot of courage, as it also unveiled some discrepancies in their operation in the areas of jurisdiction, authority and accountability.
07:18 AM on 11/23/2010
Pistole says "very few people will ever experience a pat down..."
WRONG!
I am a 74 year old woman who has experienced it more times than I'd like to count!
Once, when I asked why I was chosen, considering I am a "little, fat, grey-haired old lady", I was told: "Your type doesn't give us any trouble.".
Well, there's trouble now!!!!!
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03:17 PM on 11/23/2010
My 5 year old was patted down last time we flew. It's ridiculous.
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02:49 AM on 11/23/2010
How are you going to grope someone's groin in a "less invasive" way?
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01:03 AM on 11/23/2010
“https://ww­w.optoutal­liance.com­/rightscar­d

For anyone flying and needing to know their rights if they end up in the scanner/pat down line!”
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
12:10 AM on 11/23/2010
Pistole and Napolitano need to go. Both have forgotten that they work for us - not the other way around.

Let them grope each other if they are so damn insistent on it....
11:51 PM on 11/22/2010
sigh, the Nigerian was coming from Nigeria, Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) was coming from London, etc...the Yemen packages came from...YEMEN! Clue up, TSA. Domestic travelers are not the issue...
09:02 PM on 11/22/2010
Saw a story on Wonkette that the TSA won't be doing body cavity searches, David Vitter and other republicans reportedly very bummed at this news.
11:42 AM on 11/24/2010
Why are they bummed?

BTW, nice choice of words: ''bummed'' lol
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CrazyThisIs
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08:51 PM on 11/22/2010
Can we all agree that this is, obviously, not the TSA agents' fault? Can we also agree not to badger the poor TSA agents who have to pat us down or lose their jobs? I am dead against this policy and quite hotly, but I have had to fly a few time this last month and many people's responses are directed wholly against the wrong people.

TSA agents are not our enemy. Do you really think there are a group of workers out there that would invite this kind of vitriol upon themselves? Congress is in control of the TSA. Unfortunately, we know that the TSA agents will hear us and we're almost positive Congress won't. Still, let's focus on making our disatisfaction heard by the Congress.

We're a group that generally prides ourselves on understanding what "others" are going through and seek to stand up for those "others". Today, those "others" are TSA agents. Don't know one, but one doesn't need to to understand that NO ONE makes enough $$$ to put up with the abuses hurled at them as of late. Lets do this right.

Thanks HP community!
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12:36 PM on 11/24/2010
Not a chance.

You're using the they-are-just-good-Germans defense.

Only the top profiteers at the top like Chertoff should be criticized? And not the ones who are going along with this insanity while drawing paychecks at the lower levels? No one is forcing them to do this. They are helping to destroy this country. They are complicit. The fact that they don't have all control over their jobs if they choose to stay is not an excuse.

They don't make enough money to do this? So they are willing to be low paid enablers.
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05:48 PM on 11/24/2010
Really!?! Na zi Ger many is what you're going to drudge up here? These are not Gas Cham bers or Concentra tion Ca mps. Allowing or being part of over-zealous security checks = allowing the capture and mur der of millions? That's the intellectual argument you'd like to put forward here?

These are people, who want to provide for their families and put food on the table. To equate them is hyperbolic and fails the sniff test by MILES. An extremely poor analogy if not a dishonest one.

I hate these new policies and think they need to be fought against, but fight the right people and the right way. Protest with your wallets and make some calls and write some emails. Talk to the people around you and suggest they do the same. If you feel that the TSA agents are supporting something as evil as the Na zis and should give up their jobs in protest, then why would it be out of bounds to suggest that someone, feeling as you do, should go and get arres ted in protest as well, giving up your livelihood and thereby making sure you're not a silent enabl er yourself.