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DADT Discharges: Pentagon Says Nobody Dismissed For Being Gay In Past Month

LISA LEFF   11/22/10 08:46 PM ET   AP

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Members of the U.S. Park Police arrest a veteran and gay rights activist who has handcuffed himself to the fence of the White House during a protest November 15, 2010 in Washington, DC. Activists staged the protest to call on the Obama Administration and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to keep their promises on repealing the 'Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell' policy, which prevented gay people from serving openly, during the lame-duck session of the Congress.

SAN FRANCISCO — No U.S. service members have been discharged for being openly gay in the month since the Defense Department adopted new rules surrounding the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, a Pentagon spokeswoman said Monday.

Under new rules adopted Oct. 21, Defense Secretary Robert Gates put authority for signing off on dismissals in the hands of the three service secretaries.

Before then, any commanding officer at a rank equivalent to a one-star general could discharge gay enlisted personnel under the 1993 law that prohibits gays from serving openly in uniform.

Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith told The Associated Press that no discharges have been approved since Oct. 21.

Smith did not know if the absence of recent discharges was related to the new separation procedures. The Pentagon has not compiled monthly discharge figures for any other months this year, she said.

Based on historical trends, however, it appears the change, as well as moves by Gates and President Barack Obama to get Congress to repeal "don't ask, don't tell," has caused discharge rates to fall dramatically, said Aaron Belkin, executive director of the Palm Center, a pro-repeal think tank based at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

"Statistically, it would be extremely unlikely if we had a month in which there were no gay discharges," Belkin said, noting that 428 gay and lesbian service members were honorably discharged under the ban in 2009. "When you require a service secretary to sign off on a discharge, you are basically saying, 'We don't want any people in this category discharged unless there is an exceptional situation.'"

A month without "don't ask, don't tell" discharges was welcome news, said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. Still, the organization continues to hear daily from military personnel who are under investigation for being gay and face the possibility of being fired.

"We have clients who are still under investigation, who are still having to respond, and in fact we have a client under investigation right now under suicide watch," Sarvis said. "So 'don't ask, don't tell' has not gone away."

Gates announced the change requiring the top civilian officials with the armed forces to personally approve "don't ask, don't tell" discharges after a federal judge in California ordered the military to immediately stop enforcing its ban on openly gay troops, declaring the 17-year-old policy unconstitutional.

An appeals court subsequently froze the judge's order until it could consider the broader constitutional issues in the case.

Putting responsibility for firing gay personnel in the hands of the three service secretaries was not designed to slow the rate of discharges, Gates said at the time. Rather, concentrating that authority was meant to ensure uniformity and care in enforcement at a time of legal uncertainty, he said in a memo outlining the new rules.

Gates since has urged the Senate to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" before a new Congress takes office in January. He said this week he plans to release a monthslong study on how lifting the gay service ban would affect the armed forces and could be carried out on Nov. 30.

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SAN FRANCISCO — No U.S. service members have been discharged for being openly gay in the month since the Defense Department adopted new rules surrounding the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, a Pe...
SAN FRANCISCO — No U.S. service members have been discharged for being openly gay in the month since the Defense Department adopted new rules surrounding the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, a Pe...
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07:25 AM on 11/26/2010
DADT does not merit major issue status. The military only discharged 428 service members under DADT in 2009. Meanwhile, nearly 15 million are unemployed, our national debit is $13.7 trillion and expected to raise another $2.5 trillion by 2020, we have about 12 million illegal immigrants, prices for basic goods are raising, and the list goes on... Oh, and our military is fighting two wars at the moment, not to mention that the Korean peninsula is not exactly stable right now.

"We're not hosting an intergallactic kegger down here." - Agent J in "Men in Black"
07:50 PM on 11/26/2010
With all respect, I suspect that those 428 people who were fired from their jobs for being gay might disagree with you on whether or not it's a major issue. And I suspect that many of the millions of gay people in the US and around the world would disagree with you. And your point about fighting two wars is exactly right, which is why we SHOULDN'T be kicking people out of the military right now.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
05:21 PM on 11/27/2010
It's not important because it's not happening to him. Maybe if it was, wed hear empathy, but nope. F&F
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USMCR
Re-elect NO ONE ! !
05:46 PM on 01/21/2011
That's the first time I've had a good laugh all day. People have no idea what it is going to cost to accommodate a truly minuscule minority of people.

On the upside. All of those civilians out there that have an opinion about how the military should be run will get a chance to find out first hand because repealing DADT will be the death of the "all volunteer" service. There are courageous Americans willing to VOLUNTEER to die or be severely wounded and disabled for their country. They just get a little pissy about who they have to die with. And because of that and the already over-burded and under-manned military. The ONLY choice they will have will be to reinstate the draft.
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Lisa Spurgeon Bullock
10:26 AM on 11/24/2010
Putting responsibility for firing gay personnel in the hands of the three service secretaries was not designed to slow the rate of discharges, Gates said at the time. Rather, concentrating that authority was meant to ensure uniformity and care in enforcement at a time of legal uncertainty, he said in a memo outlining the new rules.

WTF!!! If Obama and Gates want to prove to the LGBT public that they care maybe they should say yes we intended this to slow the rate of discharges. What an idiot. The public is screaming for the repeal of DADT and Obama shies away from any hint that his administration is for the gay public. I am so disappointed in Obama. This is not what I voted for.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
06:56 PM on 11/24/2010
It's pitiful...even when the tide is in our favour, Mr. "Fierce Urgency of Whenever" can't bring himself (and tha goes for the rest of his admin.) to say they are in favour of ANYTHING that might give us expanded rights. He is a heterosexual supremacist and needs a spine and some stones.
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Jdaddy1951
05:10 PM on 11/23/2010
Stupid policy not being enforced? Or did no one ask and no one tell?
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Ana Koenig
Truth never damages a cause that is just.
12:45 PM on 11/23/2010
Uh... when I served.. no boloney, it was about a quarter of the men and women who were gay (more guys than girls). We watched out for each other. So many of us came from profoundly disapproving families, that being in the military seemed like the only option to make our families proud of us again. It made us proud of ourselves again since we grew up in a culture of hate and bullying. I am very aware many will take offense to this post, even though it is true. It was my experience.

When I served, we had TWICE in a 6 month period, guys who were gay end up in the "fishbowl" under suicide watch. Let me tell you about the "fishbowl". It was a common room right as you reached the top of the stairs, with a hallway running down both sides of it and the "fireguard" desk in front of it. It had three walls of large windows. They got a cot and a small fabric divider behind which was a commode. Since the main hallway in front of the fishbowl was command hallway, we'd be marched by it and told to look in the fishbowl at the poor excuse for a soldier and the like, stuff I care not to remember. THAT is compassionate suicide watch in the military.
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Ana Koenig
Truth never damages a cause that is just.
01:04 PM on 11/23/2010
Wow, I wish some of my detail wasn't edited out.
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Henry Juhala
01:29 PM on 11/23/2010
Even with the detail, this is appalling. And this is what the GOP want to keep in place in our military forces? Do they even know some of the kinds of treatment GLBT service members get from the leadership in the military?
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
04:54 PM on 11/23/2010
I second Henry's post. This is appalling! I cannot imagine what pain and shame those poor men must have suffered...and multiply that by hundreds!
12:33 PM on 11/23/2010
They don't want to serve in the military. They are using the military to forward their agenda. There have been men and women for decades serving in the US military who were lesbian or homosexual and were not discharged. The man on the ground in the photo may be discharged for publicly protesting in uniform. Which is a violation of Army Regulations and the Manual for Courts Martial. Of course, if a rule or law doesn't suit them they can change it for their own preferences.
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Cori527
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12:34 PM on 11/23/2010
Look ma! Bigot at 2:00!!!
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Ana Koenig
Truth never damages a cause that is just.
12:49 PM on 11/23/2010
Would someone PLEASE send me my copy of the gay agenda everyone keeps saying I have? I mean really..
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
12:51 PM on 11/23/2010
I'm still waiting on my copy, but while your waiting, here's a copy of the *heterosexual* agenda.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,015.htm
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Angel1999
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12:52 PM on 11/23/2010
For some reason, the ",015.htm" never posts as part of the link.
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boyer37212
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12:22 PM on 11/23/2010
Here's what I would like to ask McCain:

Should we post-humously discharge the gay soldiers who fought in the Revolutionary and U.S. Civil Wars? As well as WW I and WWII? And if they're interned in a military cemetary, should we move them to a segregated site?
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
12:44 PM on 11/23/2010
Oh, now he would probably love that sort of thing. It is so sad that these people cannot let go of their prejudices and let people live.
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12:14 PM on 11/23/2010
Look at the picture above and ask yourself who defends America?
A- The doughnut patrol of Amerika's Police State
B- The soldier being arrested by the doughnut patrol.

Remember that the next time a politician sucks up to the public safety officers of the most dangerous and violent developed country in the world.
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Kris Bui
12:12 PM on 11/23/2010
It shouldn't be anyones' business which team you're on. That said, I secretly wish all military would 'say' they're gay --- just so they could ALL COME HOME!!!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
12:47 PM on 11/23/2010
It should be no ones's business, but straights show every day, in every way what team they are playing on. Wedding rings, large public weddings, PDAs with their spouse or SO, pictures of spouse and kids at work, talking about spouse or SO...the list goes on and on.
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bushitbrain
12:08 PM on 11/23/2010
Certainly a step in the right direction, BUTTTTTT....
My concern is that quietly, internally, the military will attempt to keep numbers on Who's Gay & Who's Straight (WGWS), & keep that strictly confidential. If that WGWS percentage, Yes, just that one number is leaked, & goes Viral, all hell will break loose. If it is above the 90/10 level, I think there will be some sort of reprisal & an `unwritten' version of DADT may be installed.
Genuinely hope I'm wrong, but when it comes to the military, experience has shown us over the decades that if one distrusts what they say instinctively, then one is usually right.
12:35 PM on 11/23/2010
It makes no difference what your sexual preference is. As long as you do the job expected of you. Watch, and learn. You will soon see what it is they really want. Serving in the military is not their true objective.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
12:41 PM on 11/23/2010
All the gays soldiers I know serve because that's what they want to do. They didn't join the military hoping to become a subversive element.

Got any more conspiracy theories you'd like to share with us?
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
12:49 PM on 11/23/2010
Ummmm, paranoid much? And it is not "preference", it is orientation. And OMG, how awful of us nasty GLBTs to want full equality. Better get used to it because the day IS coming when we will be equal to straights in all areas of life, including serving openly.

You have a real nice little anti-gay animus going.
12:04 PM on 11/23/2010
MEANWHILE, gay teens are being beaten and burned to death by illegal aliens, and the media doesn't want you to know about it for fear of jeopardizing the DREAM Act...

the-two-malcontents. com/2010/11/open-bordersice-puts-hold-on-19-year-old-hermilo-moralez-murder-charges-filed/
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Steamboater
Forget hope. Agitate.
12:30 PM on 11/23/2010
Gays have more to worry about from cictizens. Just ask Mathew Shephard's parents. Even if we electrifed a fece and stopped everyone from running th eborder, the risks Gays and Lesbians take every day in ths country as proud and out would never go away.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
12:51 PM on 11/23/2010
While I would like to see illegal immigration slowed, I do agree that our main problem are the haters in this country. I don't know about you, Steamboater, but this is some of the worst and most homohate-filled times I have seen in all my 39 years of being out. At least it's becoming more public.
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LeftLeanWing
Ah.. I said..Ah Said I said... Proceed Guv'nah
06:15 PM on 11/23/2010
This was just an incident......that you are trying to over generalize on two of your buggaBoos
Gays and Illegal immigrants.

And you link sux.
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nirek
Proud progressive Vietnam vet. against WAR
11:51 AM on 11/23/2010
Tis the season!
"Let there be peace on Earth"!
11:45 AM on 11/23/2010
It's not bad news, but it's not great.

We can do better.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
12:55 PM on 11/23/2010
We will finally be taking a huge step towards equality when there is no longer a need to keep track of who is being discharged for being gay and how many GLBTs got thrown out of the service. If the article is correct, though, it is nice to see one full month of no discharges.
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JayJonson
02:12 PM on 11/23/2010
Obama's DOJ said that if the discharges stopped, there would be "irreparable damage" to the military. Notice any damage? Guess they were lying about this as so many other things they have said.
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Pucifer
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11:34 AM on 11/23/2010
There are an estimated 66,000 gay and bisexual soldiers already serving in the military.

"We're here.  We're queer.  Get used to it."
11:40 AM on 11/23/2010
I think it would be great if all the g@y officers came out at once.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
12:56 PM on 11/23/2010
Yep. Or like one of my old drag queen friends used to say, "We're here. We're queer. And we're not going shopping." F&F.
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Bill J4321
11:34 AM on 11/23/2010
I had no idea there was a quota.
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duuwanye
11:19 AM on 11/23/2010
God I hate the way Huffingtonpost words things!