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Rep. Mike Pence Pushes For Flat Tax In Economic Address


First Posted: 11/29/10 01:28 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- In an address to the Detroit Economic Club billed as a "major economic speech" by his office, Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) laid out his vision for restoring "American exceptionalism" and "a prescription for a fresh start for the American economy." One of the most notable proposals was a flat tax, which is likely to endear Pence to conservative activists for a possible 2012 presidential run.

"The time, has come for Congress and this administration to take bold action to simplify our tax system and lower people's taxes," said Pence in his prepared remarks, adding, "I believe it is time that America adopted a flat tax and scrapped the current system once and for all."

Pence's call for a flat tax isn't new; he has periodically brought up the issue over the years.

The idea is also a favorite of Tea Party activists. "We want to scrap our confusing, unfair tax code and replace it with a simple flat tax of one low rate with no deductions or special interest loopholes," notes FreedomWorks on its website, which has a whole page dedicated to the flat tax.

"This is like Groundhog Day," responded Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "We keep hearing about a flat tax in spite of the fact that there is no evidence that it will be a boon to growth or has anything to do with our current economic problems. Maybe Mr. Pence is too young to remember the '50s and '60s when the economy boomed with tax rates that peaked at 70-90 percent. One would hope that he could at least remember the boom of the '90s when the top tax rate was 39.6 percent. The economic crisis was brought on by a collapse of a housing bubble -- not high tax rates."

During the 2008 presidential campaign, former Arkansas governor and current Fox News pundit Mike Huckabee prominently pushed the flat tax, which has also been heavily pushed by right-wing talk radio hosts and was developed by a group called Americans for Fair Taxation. The proposal -- which isn't really conservative at all -- would scrap the current U.S. tax code and replace it with, essentially, a national retail sales tax.

Pence also argued that the flat tax would be effective at creating jobs, and more than 20 countries around the world have one in place.

"The flat tax eliminates all of the credits and deductions and special preferences and tax loopholes that Congress and an army of lobbyists have built into the tax code over time," he remarked. "These fuel special interests and generally benefit one person, business or industry over another. Our tax system should not pick winners and losers, but should treat every business, small and large, with the same basic rules."

In remarks in Buffalo, N.Y. on May 13, President Obama commented on the work of his fiscal commission, saying he hoped members on the panel would simplify the tax code. He warned, however, about the complications of a flat tax:

The main argument, and the last point I'll make on this, on the fair tax, the main argument that people make against the fair tax is right now we've got a progressive income tax. I made a lot of money last year because my book sold a lot, and so I wrote a really big check to Uncle Sam. My rate was higher than somebody who made $40,000 a year. So we've got a progressive income tax, meaning that the more you make the higher your tax rate goes, up until a certain amount.

Now, if you have a flat tax and everybody is -- let's say everybody was -- had a -- was paying 10 percent. That means Warren Buffett is paying 10 percent. It means the construction worker is paying 10 percent. It means somebody who has got a minimum-wage job is paying 10 percent. And the question is does that 10 percent take a bigger bite out of the cashier at the supermarket than it does out of Warren Buffett? Because she is paying more of her income in food and rent and just basic necessities, and so does it make sense for Warren Buffett to be paying a little bit more?

In order to have a flat tax that was revenue-neutral, that didn't add to the deficit, it'd have to be a pretty substantial tax, but it would mean a huge tax break for Warren Buffett. And so the question is, is there a way of achieving simplification, but still having some element of progressivity and some element of fairness in the tax system? That's part of what makes it complicated.

During the question and answer portion of his appearance at the Detroit Economic Club, Pence said a flat tax could be a "major bit of tax relief" for most Americans.

Also on the issue of taxes in his speech, Pence called for a 21st-century tax system, where members of the public could file their taxes more readily. "How about a system where you could file your taxes on a Blackberry, or a system where you might even be able to file a return with 140 characters or less?" he remarked. "How would you like to tweet your taxes?"

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WASHINGTON -- In an address to the Detroit Economic Club billed as a "major economic speech" by his office, Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) laid out his vision for restoring "American exceptionalism" and "a ...
WASHINGTON -- In an address to the Detroit Economic Club billed as a "major economic speech" by his office, Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) laid out his vision for restoring "American exceptionalism" and "a ...
 
 
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06:59 PM on 12/12/2010
You aren't paying attention. This "FLAT TAX" BS has a little issue. The same little issue that Newt's flat tax, and Forbes flat tax, has.

They want ZERO tax on leverage buy outs, credit swaps, naked shorts, derivitive profit, dividends, ect. All "unearned income" they want NO tax on.

When people wake up to the real screwing on taxes --- that work is taxed so much higher -- then maybe we can do something about it.
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jimpager
11:13 PM on 12/01/2010
No chance of a flat tax...Bank of America, GE, and Citigroup all paid less taxes than I did last year (they paid $0). And I'm a retiree in the middle class. Those 9000 pages of tax law are written by K-Streeters and let me offer a clue...it wasn't to enrich the middle class. Its not American fascism...its American feudalism.
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rougebaisers
02:47 PM on 11/30/2010
Flat yes. prez no.
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Common sense for all
dare to stand up against the far right
03:45 AM on 11/30/2010
a republican with suggestions and plans that favor the mega rich, What a shocker

Want a flat tax system make it so everyones income up to 250k is taxfree and slam on 75% on everything above. there you have it. EVERYONE gets 250k that is TAXFREE cant be better no taxes at all on 98% of the people of this country and 100% of the people gets taxfree income up to 250k. But than the rich will cry and whine as they always do
hopeisalive
Old enough to know better, but young enough to try
01:06 AM on 11/30/2010
Same story, same lament, not ability to find a middle ground, just ate and ambiguity.
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The Lone Stranger
Yes, I am a lousy typist. OK!
12:03 AM on 11/30/2010
Okay lets try this flat tax: Zero tax on the first $250,000. 75% flat tax on everything over that.
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BigBadMikey47
11:16 PM on 11/29/2010
How many times have I heard some right-wing politician of some sort bringing up this issue time and again? I grow weary of hearing about a "flat tax" especially when they try to rename it.
Such a tax disproportionately affects the working poor far more than the wealthy, and the GOP knows this -- but then again, they've always been more concerned with helping the rich become richer, and letting the devil take the hindmost.
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The Lone Stranger
Yes, I am a lousy typist. OK!
12:04 AM on 11/30/2010
the problem is they do not also talk about eliminating payroll taxes which actually hurt the poor more.
07:19 PM on 12/12/2010
Big -- you are right, but you miss the hustle. On Newt's "Flat Tax," like on Forbes "Flat tax" --- and probably Pence's too --- they have ZERO tax on unearned income -- profit from stocks, for example, divicends, credit swaps, naked shorts. All that stuff..

The audacity to call it Flat, when actually the whole POINT of it is to completely shield unearned income from ANY tax, is just astonishing. Right now, as it is, unearned income is shielded from the highest tax that many millions of us pay -- FICA. Unearned income TOP rate is 15, at most. And no FICA.

No FICA on unearned income was no big deal with FICA was 2%. But now, FICA is essentially an income tax in disquise, and has been for years. As such, unearned income should have had that same lovely burdened.

It's a bit complicated, but not really. But they like it complicated to screw you. And then they want to "simplify" and make it "flat" when really, it would be flat as Pikes peak.

There is simply no line of BS these guys wont try.
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charles116
08:25 PM on 11/29/2010
Malcolm Forbes Jr trotted this out sunk.
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Bloodhound41
05:35 PM on 11/29/2010
The poor cannot afford a flat tax, the country cannot afford a flat tax, the only people who would benefit from a flat tax are the wealthy. In order to meet the country's income needs we would probably need a flat tax rate that was pretty close to what high income earners are paying at present. The only difference is, the poor and low income earners would be paying the same rate unless a large enough deduction was included to take them right out of the picture. Then we're right back where we started.
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05:06 AM on 11/30/2010
suggestion from a GOP person of course it will benefit the rich. It is the whole plan that the they will use citizens united ruling to hammer in the lie that this is good for you while it is infact only good for you if you are making over 250k a year
05:01 PM on 11/29/2010
Typical Tea Party, comforting the comfortable by pushing their pet projects. Obviously, you can vastly simplify the tax code while keeping it progressive. Indeed, it would be MORE fair to enforce real tax brackets without loopholes amd deductions.
04:22 PM on 11/29/2010
We do not have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
05:02 PM on 11/29/2010
Even if the feds never spent a cent, they would still have to make payments on the debt.
05:13 PM on 11/29/2010
And that, Mr Beef, is the problem.
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The Lone Stranger
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12:06 AM on 11/30/2010
The Bush tax cuts and his wars and his lack of vigilance prior to 9/11 are the major causes of the disparity between revenue and spending. You can pretend all you want, but these are the simple facts.
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Bill Bushing
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03:13 PM on 11/29/2010
A national sales tax would be unfair to those who have saved for the following reason... it representatives dual taxation. If I've saved money in the past and have a bad year economically (who isn't these days?), I will be forced to purchase using my savings the source of which has already been taxed through current income taxes. Thus I would be taxed twice on the same money.

To make a national sales tax fair, there would have to be mechanisms that linked it to purchases from current income rather than from savings.
05:05 PM on 11/29/2010
The wealthier you are, the lower the proportion of your income you spend each year. That's why rich folks like 'em. They make more income than other people, so they don't like that sort of tax. It's really that simple. The GOP is simply representing its billionaire corporate base.
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Bloodhound41
05:43 PM on 11/29/2010
He's actually speaking about a flat income tax not sales. However, others are speaking about a flat sales or use tax replacing income. Trouble is, no matter what percentage they came up with, it would have to be added to the state and city sales taxes (ours is 9.1%) and would hurt the poor even worse because, even if they gave some kind of kickback at the end of the year based on income, the poor would still have to put that money out every day.
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Bill Bushing
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06:24 PM on 11/29/2010
I was referring to the comment in the article about the national sales tax approach. A flat income tax at least would not involve double taxation. However, I would prefer a graduated "flat" tax (per bracket).
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CharlesCT
02:56 PM on 11/29/2010
Hey, as long as I can keep my P.O. box in the Caman Islands -- go for it.
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mstock57
Go commando
02:54 PM on 11/29/2010
Don't explain the details Obama. Facts are challenging things to people like Mike Pence and the teabaggers.
05:06 PM on 11/29/2010
He keeps obscuring the debate with his factiness.
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kimbanyc
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02:38 PM on 11/29/2010
Steve Forbes is no doubt very excited right now