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DADT Repeal Opponents Come Up With Fresh Excuses Despite Study Results [UPDATE]

First Posted: 11/30/10 02:58 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

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Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.)

Today, Defense Secretary Robert Gates is "strongly urging" Congress to take up the matter of repealing the military's longstanding "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy -- a repeal he supports, incidentally -- before the matter gets decided by the courts with a result that he deems to be traumatic and disruptive to uniformed military personnel. Congress has every incentive to get cracking. The vast majority of the American people support the repeal, as do a majority of conservatives. And Gates's comments today come with the news (that we've known about for months, actually) that a Pentagon study found that "70% of armed service members had no problem with including gays in their units."

All of this is naturally leading to a moment where nobody does the right thing and everyone caves, because that's your American Congress! One need only note the comments of Representative Buck McKeon (R-Calif.), reported for posterity in today's Wall Street Journal:

"I'd like to know who these 70% are," said Rep. Buck McKeon of California, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee.

Indeed, who is this crazy 70% fringe who do not care if gay soldiers serve in the U.S. Armed Forces, and how can they be ferreted out? (My suggestion: stand in a room full of soldiers and swing a stick.)

There's much more magic in that WSJ story, of course! John McCain says that he is "doing everything I can to defeat" the repeal, which is, by now, what you can expect from a man who wouldn't even allow openly gay soldiers to move his constantly shifting goalposts on the matter. And if you were wondering what any of the Lady Senators of Maine had to say about the matter, wonder no more:

Sen. Susan Collins, a centrist Republican from Maine who says she wants the ban repealed, still plans to vote against the repeal if there is not more time for debate, her spokesman said Monday.

Yes, the tough and independent-minded Susan Collins has been against "Don't Ask Don't Tell" even before the Pentagon study came out. Still! She couldn't possibly cast a vote on the matter until senators who have had all year to talk about "Don't Ask Don't Tell" have the chance to talk about it some more.

Punt formation, everyone!

UPDATE: Senator Collins' office tells me that the Journal has the Senator's position all wrong:

Senator Collins has not said she would oppose cloture if time is not allowed for debate. In fact, she has said she supports repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell and she intends to support cloture on the Defense Authorization bill if the Majority Leader allows for a full and fair debate.

So...if there is further "full and fair debate" in the Senate, Collins will support vote in favor of cloture, and, presumably, the repeal. This sort of implies that if there is no further "full and fair debate," then she won't support cloture. Technically, this is not the same thing as casting a vote against repeal -- she's totally for the repeal, remember! However, for all practical purposes, a vote against cloture is a vote against repeal. And that's your confusing hair-split of the day!

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Today, Defense Secretary Robert Gates is "strongly urging" Congress to take up the matter of repealing the military's longstanding "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy -- a repeal he supports, incidentally -...
Today, Defense Secretary Robert Gates is "strongly urging" Congress to take up the matter of repealing the military's longstanding "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy -- a repeal he supports, incidentally -...
 
 
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COMMUNITY PUNDITS
jackbutler5555 07:15 PM on 11/30/2010
Moderate Republicans up for election in 2012 worry about being challenged by a Tea Partier.  So, they tow the Tea Party line.

They don't apparently have to worry about moderate Republicans in their state because there's not enough of them. 

We are forced to an understanding that the political middle of the road has probably disappeared.  It's a no man's land.

On balance,  Read More...
hopeisalive
Old enough to know better, but young enough to try
12:59 PM on 12/02/2010
I'm not sure what Republicans mean be a "full and fair debate" as they have done the opposite for so much of the past two years and in the first six years of Mr. Bush's Presidency. It was Reconciliation when they knew that they didn't have the 60 votes. Temocrats should do the same for DADT and tax cuts for all but the top 2%. There doesn't seem to be much movement tof the Republican leadership to vote for cloture of anything wo why bother?
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JustJoy7
Give your best, expect the best from others.
12:07 PM on 12/02/2010
The best way to get a lot of attention is to be different or contrary. John McCain is a scorned candidate for president. His light is getting dimmer and he is getting older, and the poor man craves attention. How best to get the attention that you so need is to be contrary and command it. Based on his position over the years since he first ran for president, we know that he doesn't sincerely feel the way he portrays today. He just gets a lot of attention and that's what he craves.
hopeisalive
Old enough to know better, but young enough to try
01:00 PM on 12/02/2010
Maybe he is getting forgetful in his older days and can't remember how he once stood on his own two feet.
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Rocnjohnny
TEXICAN
12:03 PM on 12/02/2010
Lets don't talk about torture thats ok. Lets debate something that is going to make our military weaker. This is rediculas just like McCain. Why not just waste some time and money on bull. Listen to our leaders and I don't mean McCain. He is useless and has been most of his life. He is just having important pains.
02:58 PM on 12/01/2010
I just took this really cool survey about Don't Ask Don't Tell. You can add your own questions as see what other people think. Give it a try.
http://survey.matterofopinion.com/survey.jsp?surveyid=45
12:56 PM on 12/01/2010
I know everyone is on the subject of stomping out dadt, but if this happends will gays/lesbians partners, who are legally married in those states that allow it, will they get military benefits???? This is a very important issue also. There needs to be talk about this issue also, along with dadt.
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roger g
When will we value people over money?
11:26 AM on 12/01/2010
Received an Email today from Eric Alva--He was the 1st soldier wounded in the Iraq war- He lost a leg and almost died-And yes he was and still is GAY.
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Curt H
The only rights u have r the ones u stand up 4
07:21 AM on 12/01/2010
Serving our country is an honor. Fighting for the freedom of our citizens and those citizens of the world faced with great peril deserves our utmost respect. The men and women of our military must be able to respond to the needs of the United States in any place, at any time without regards to the race,culture or beliefs of the land in which they must go. Our military through out time has adapted and succeeded in these expectations. Years pass and times change. This military is not the same military Sen John McCain or Sen Graham once served. The military men and women have grown and changed with the times. This is what professional people do, we expect nothing less.
The Republican party has insulted the intelligence, the adaptability and humanity of the of our military personnel - gay or straight, and should make a public apology. DADT should be repealed immediately.
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ProfessorDuh
09:52 AM on 12/01/2010
To be fair, the Republican Party has insulted the intelligence, the adaptability and humanity of everybody.
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roger g
When will we value people over money?
11:19 AM on 12/01/2010
#1507--short and to the point-Well said
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ProfessorDuh
07:19 AM on 12/01/2010
Riddle me this; What do you call a a mummy that crawls only to the right, trailing a choking miasma of hypocrisy dust?
05:34 AM on 12/01/2010
McCain is the first to "lie" with a smile on his face to get his way, regardless of facts !
01:05 AM on 12/01/2010
This Congress and this White House seem to have no interest in repealing DADT.

Are we headed to the Supreme Court?

Remember the scary 5, Rehnquist, Thomas, Scalia, Kennedy and O'Connor?

Who will it be this time?
HoosierInMaryland
HuffPo says my 'micro-bio is empty'
06:48 AM on 12/01/2010
Take a look at what Kennedy wrote about Lawrence v. Texas. You might change your mind on this case.
12:32 PM on 12/01/2010
Agreed, 5-4, Kennedy for repealing.
jdrourke
Snark is good for the soul...
11:21 PM on 11/30/2010
I know the progress is slow, but it is progress. These dinosaurs cannot stop things forever...

http://jdrourke.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/dear-soldiers-who-ask-and-tell/
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Steve Davis 1
moderate with convictions, techie yet curmudgeon
11:18 PM on 11/30/2010
How many senators does it take to put in a light bulb? Of course, it doesn't matter because no light bulb can ever be put in. It only requires one senator to place a hold on light bulbs. Only God can declare let there be light.
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Jeff Mace
12:56 PM on 12/02/2010
only one....but they must stand still, and the world must revolve around them.
10:11 PM on 11/30/2010
The old Repubs are afraid Obama will get the gay vote in 2012.
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Father Tom
CPA, VietNam Vet, Not a Priest
10:20 PM on 11/30/2010
For game-playing on this issue for two years? I doubt it.
10:22 PM on 11/30/2010
If they vote against repeal now, they're not likely to earn much of the gay vote then.
09:14 PM on 11/30/2010
I think that it is time that John McCain put his money where his mouth and threaten to step down from his Senate seat if DADT is repealed. It seems like the only weapon that he has left.

http://bifocalpoint.blogspot.com/2010/11/as-goes-dadt-so-too-should-go-senator.html
09:01 PM on 11/30/2010
So John, it wasn't enough that you put Palin on a stage elevated well above her abilities? Now, out of nowhere, you have to decide that the Chairman of the Join Chiefs, the Courts, the review committee that said removing DADT will not harm the military and SecDeff ALL fail to understand the situation as well as you? Sheer, arrogant, Rightwing nonsense. When will you look in the mirror and see what you've done to this country and your reputation by your ill-considered policy advocacy?