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House Dems' Tax Cuts Plan 'Will Not Include Anything The Republicans Are Seeking'

First Posted: 11/30/10 12:22 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

House Dems Tax Cuts

WASHINGTON -- If Obama and House Democrats were at pains to extend an olive branch to Republicans after the midterm elections, that is no longer the case with regard to tax cuts. That was the message at the closed-door meeting held Monday night by members of the House Democratic Caucus.

With the Bush tax cuts set to expire at the end of the month, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will schedule a vote "this week" to extend tax cuts for the middle-class alone, her colleague Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) told reporters Monday.

Democratic operatives just were as emphatic about what will be left out of the proposed legislation.

"Since the Republicans have been not terribly interested in negotiating on this, it will not include anything the Republicans are seeking," a source who was in the room told HuffPost late Monday night. "That was the way it was described in the meeting."

Senate Democrats, meanwhile, are reaching their own "fragile conclusions" about whether to stage a vote for middle-class earners alone, setting up a dramatic battle in the final weeks of the 111th Congress.

House Democrats intend to put forward a bill that fulfills the platform the president campaigned on, the source tells HuffPost. It would include a permanent extension of tax cuts for married couples earning up to $250,000 and for single people making up to $200,000. It would also make the president's childcare tax credit and the earned-income tax credit permanent.

"The president has always said that he's willing to talk about it to the Republicans," said HuffPost's source of the tax cut package. "And Republicans haven't engaged in any meaningful conversations, as usual."

Back in September House Minority Leader John Boehner said he would vote for Obama's plan to extend tax cuts only for middle-class Americans and not the wealthy -- if that were the only plan on the table. And Van Hollen told reporters Monday that Republicans would have at least one more chance to offer an amendment expanding the tax cuts to include wealthier Americans.

But some Democratic operatives see little reason to compromise.

"I remember that the president invited [Republicans] over two weeks ago, and they were too busy to come over to see the president," said HuffPost's source, in reference to a dinner invitation extended to Republican leaders earlier this month. "Has that changed since then?"

While House Democrats can't reasonably expect to get Obama's tax cut legislation past the Senate, they could use it it to draw a contrast with House Republicans, as well as appease progressive members of the caucus, HuffPost's Sam Stein reports.

GOP leaders have argued that any tax hikes during a recession could further damage an already faltering economy.

Democrats, meanwhile, say extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy would only add to the ballooning budget deficit.

But the main hurdle, of course, will be getting anything past the Senate.

"If the Senate ends up thinking just this once that it's this or nothing -- which is how they usually present things to the House -- it's possible it will get passed that way," said HuffPost's source. "If it's December 31 and this is the only show in town, this is the show they'll go and see."

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WASHINGTON -- If Obama and House Democrats were at pains to extend an olive branch to Republicans after the midterm elections, that is no longer the case with regard to tax cuts. That was the message ...
WASHINGTON -- If Obama and House Democrats were at pains to extend an olive branch to Republicans after the midterm elections, that is no longer the case with regard to tax cuts. That was the message ...
 
 
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Launchpad
DUDE, or Elle Dude-a-Rino
01:57 PM on 12/01/2010
I'm sickened by all of this. I've been debating 4 Tea Partiers single handedly on my local news paper's comments section. (Long Beach Tea Party Looks to Keep the Momentum
In the wake of the midterm elections, a new activist group wants to bring their ideas to the local level.) http://longbeach.patch.com/articles/long-beach-tea-party-looks-to-keep-the-momentum It's ridiculous how I state that the democrats who lost re-election in the House were the A-Rated NRA Lobbied Reps, and these tea partiers blatantly call me names like a windbagger, they say I'm against individual rights, but I'm actually for safer streets. I'm for background checks at gun shows, I'm for refusing the sale of a fire arm to someone on a terrorist watch list. It's frustrating that no one is even engaging with my issues, they just talk at me with venom, to provoke me. They say I condescend these nepotists.
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Launchpad
DUDE, or Elle Dude-a-Rino
01:50 PM on 12/01/2010
I wish Obama let Volcker have a greater voice on economic issues. I'm sickened by all of this. I've been debating 4 Tea Partiers single handedly on my local news paper's comments section. (Long Beach Tea Party Looks to Keep the Momentum
In the wake of the midterm elections, a new activist group wants to bring their ideas to the local level.) http://longbeach.patch.com/articles/long-beach-tea-party-looks-to-keep-the-momentum It's ridiculous how I state that the democrats who lost re-election in the House were the A-Rated NRA Lobbied Reps, and these tea partiers blatantly call me names like a windbagger, they say I'm against individual rights, but I'm actually for safer streets. I'm for background checks at gun shows, I'm for refusing the sale of a fire arm to someone on a terrorist watch list. It's frustrating that no one is even engaging with my issues, they just talk at me with venom, to provoke me. They say I condescend them. My tone hasn't changed in comments. I'm feeling so suppressed by these nepotists.
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Elijah A Alexander Jr
Elijah NatureBoy
01:36 PM on 12/01/2010
With Article 1:8:1 saying *The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts [impost "n" tax, duty] and Excises [excise "n" a tax on the manufacture, sale, or consumption of goods within a country] shall be uniform throughout the United States;* all taxes are to be "uniform throughout the United States." I've inserted 2 words meanings in Brackets so any taxes not "uniform nation wide" will be struck down by a Constitutional president taking office.

If Income taxes {duties} are 14% for the lowest of man then it has to be the same for corporations, since it is taxed before making any adjustments corporations will be taxed on Gross income. That's constitutionally correct and any law "to the contrary" now withstanding (Article 6:2) and will be eliminated upon any constitutional president taking office. There can be no exceptions unless it is designed to eliminate poverty.

We need to make this nation abide by the constitution, at all cost, and eliminate classes because "to form a more perfect Union" {Preamble} requires it. Aren't we, as George W. Bush said, "a nation of laws and the laws must be kept?" Let us force this nation to live the supreme law of this land and make minimum exceptions for eliminating poverty within our nation.
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Launchpad
DUDE, or Elle Dude-a-Rino
01:55 PM on 12/01/2010
I appreciate your reference Elijah. So We should just have the legislation of imposing taxes on those who make $250,000 or more for the purpose of eliminating poverty? Then there's no problem I take it.
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Elijah A Alexander Jr
Elijah NatureBoy
07:06 PM on 12/02/2010
Launchpad,
Really, poverty is a state of mind, not a financial state, but since the nation's leaders sets poverty lines I'm using their term. $75,000 would be poverty at today's salaries but they should cap CEOs to no more than $250,000 and minimum raised to $100,000.
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Erik Deerly
Composer, artist, educator
03:54 AM on 12/01/2010
Let ALL these cuts expire AFTER the Repubs vote against the middle-class only cuts. If you want to play chicken with the GOP you need to remember that they are willing to crash to get their way. No deal with these corp lackeys will end up doing us any good as a country. You would think there were no republicans in the 99er club or about the retire, the way these GOP carry on.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
02:32 AM on 12/01/2010
If the dems had the votes for this they'd have done it before the elections. They didn't then and they don't now. Even if they did, it's too late. There are enough procedural obstacles the repubs can toss up to keep it from happening this year unless Obama compromises with them. Since Pelosi and Reid DIDN'T EVEN PASS THE BUDGET for the FY that began 1 October, the repubs have all the leverage.

Obama either compromises with the minority repubs now or waits until things are even MORE urgent and then will have to compromise with a repub majority House and a Senate with another six repubs in it.

He can probably get a better deal if he caves quickly.
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bobncar
for the good of all, not just the chosen few
09:33 PM on 11/30/2010
Tax cuts won't do anything for the 14,000,000 unemployed and those with such low income that they don't pay taxes anyway. Let them expire. What is really needed in an extension of the unemployment benefits. If we are voting, this is how I vote.
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rtx47
07:56 PM on 11/30/2010
Current fiscal situation is caused by us-citizens in all age groups, geographic, occupational and economic distribution. We "want our cake and eat it too". Its time we get off the gravy-train. Politicians (both sides) have catered to our desires and demands; so they can get re-elected.

It is time Progressives, Democrats and Independents join ranks with Tea Party to force the Republican majority in the House to present a budget plan that will balance the budget and pay-off the debt in 10 years. If not, Republican budget will be big give-aways (using tax loopholes, subsidies and earmarks) to corporate interests once again; as payback for campaign contributions. Here is a start to fiscal responsibility and sanity!

We-ALL should end being patsies; with all sides having "their take" over- and under-the-table. Solve the current 14 Trillion debt OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD by:

Eliminate extension of the Bush tax cut (for all) and save 3.7 Trillion dollars.

Reduce military spending by 4 Trillion dollars.

Reduce SS and Medicare spending by 2 Trillion dollars.

Reduce remainder of federal spending by 4 Trillion dollars.

A shared sacrifice that all can embrace. Above solution should end posturing from all sides and endless bickering from professional politicians and paid consultants.

Please note, the budget figures are 10-year projection. It approximates to an annual 10% budget reduction.

Balancing budgets and paying the debt off, reduces interest on the debt, which consumes more of the budget every year.
07:46 PM on 11/30/2010
Just let the Bush tax cuts sunset like they were supposed to do. The cuts to the middle class are insignificant and the cuts for the rich will just add $700 billion to the deficit which the Republicans are obviously not in favor of reducing.
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Erik Deerly
Composer, artist, educator
03:43 AM on 12/01/2010
You hit the nail on the head. F&F. Let ALL these cuts expire AFTER the Repubs vote against the middle-class only cuts. If you want to play chicken with the GOP you need to remember that they are willing to crash to get their way. No deal with these lackeys will end up doing us any good.
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MerryW
09:14 PM on 12/01/2010
F/F I agree Erik
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MerryW
09:13 PM on 12/01/2010
I would think that this is the Democrats fail safe. But they want to see if the Republicans really care about the middle class in public, so to speak.
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wooper
04:11 PM on 11/30/2010
"Since the Republicans have been not terribly interested in negotiating on this, it will not include anything the Republicans are seeking,"

All I can say is "It's about time Democrats faced the reality of the Republicans agenda." The Democrats should put forward a bill that extends the tax cuts for 97% of Americans and see if the Republicans fight against it. Maybe when those who support the Republicans finally see they are not getting tax cuts because of the people they voted for they might wake up and see what a mistake they made.

What percentage of the tea party members are in the top 3% of wage earners? I would say it is very small.

And in the end, Congress will have to vote to extend the tax cuts...they will not continue for anyone if it is not passed. So Republicans have a choice...continued tax cuts for 97% of Americans or tax increases for everyone. Let's see if the Republicans really care about the average American or just the rich who fill their pockets with cash.
06:27 PM on 11/30/2010
Yes. But the GOP disinformation machine has them all thinking they will get great jobs if the top 3% have more money. Always some new way to spin a rationale for coddling the rich.
03:54 PM on 11/30/2010
I think what we are talking about is for the ones making $250,000 -$1,000,000 is an increase of about a $50 to $100 a month more taxes.

I wonder how many people they will hire with all of that money?

"President Bush: "The really rich people figure out how to
dodge taxes anyway." -- (explaining why high taxes on the rich
are a failed strategy, Annandale, Va., Aug. 9, 2004)"
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GomezAddams
Never go to bed angry... Or with a republican.
03:35 PM on 11/30/2010
I hope one day the people who support the republican­s and trickle down economics realize that what is trickling down may be gold in color but is not liquid gold.
06:29 PM on 11/30/2010
They haven't figured it out since Reagan, so why would they start now?

Economy crashed and the middle class got poor with the tax cuts for the rich in place. Why doesn't anyone mention this?
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satanlite
Liberal blogger
10:13 PM on 11/30/2010
No, they won't. I thought so too a few years after watching the lies of Ronald Reagen and seeing what way this country was going. I thought people would wake up to the fact he rich of zero intention of trickling anything down but waste material. But no - the criminal Republican base keeps putting them in office and now they have a monopoly on media propaganda that will only be broken by much civil unrest and violence in the streets.
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DustyMills
A liberal tree-hugging Oregonian...
03:30 PM on 11/30/2010
The president and the democrats in Congress must know how the country feels about these tax cuts for the wealthy.....so they either vote with us or against us, there's no middle of the road here. I read major newspapers and blogs from all over the country, and if there's one consistency it's that people would rather see the entire Bush tax cuts expire than give the wealthy 2% of the population another rung in the ladder.

The fact that the Senate is even going to debate this makes one wonder whether any member of Congress feels any sense of bringing justice back to this country.....this should not be a question of right or wrong, left or right......to extend these tax cuts for the rich is social injustice at it's very worst. There is simply no justification in giving more to the rich when we know that this country has children going hungry.....and that the republicans are ignoring this fact, is beyond understanding.
IMOPINIONH8D
because I want it empty...
04:09 PM on 11/30/2010
Its a shame.............................fnndndfvd
04:47 PM on 11/30/2010
If the Democrats don't take a stand on this issue, what will they take a stand on? Let the Republicans try to filibuster tax cuts for 98% of Americans and see how thankful everyone will be to them for taking such a principled stand. (The principle being "Rich people deserve to benefit from what our country has to offer without paying their easily-afforded fair share.)
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Hwrd Sprague
04:58 PM on 11/30/2010
NEWSFLASH: There is NO tax cut for 98% of America. Either your tax rate remains the same OR your tax rate goes up. There is NO tax cut for anyone
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Dave Thinkster Paulson
A concerned American moderate
03:13 PM on 11/30/2010
I’m happy to hear that the House will push forward the cuts for all Americans except the top 2%, but at the same time, I’m saddened that it will likely be little more than a symbolic gesture. The sorry truth is that the House has been quite effective in moving forward on important legislation for the past two years. By mid-October, the House of the 111th Congress had passed 420 bills that stalled in the Senate. In all likelihood, this will be another.

The Senate was intended to slow change and ensure that progress was thoughtful and deliberate, but it was never intended to be the dead-zone for all legislation. The Senate of the 111th Congress has been particularly bent on obstruction, and will certainly block common sense tax legislation in order to serve their goal of eternal subjection for the average American. As Teddy Roosevelt said, “When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not Guilty.’”

The only force capable of moving an obstructionist Senate forward is a strong and determined president. He alone has the bully pulpit, the capacity to reach The People with the truth, the means with which to fight the preservation and advance of plutocracy. And I’m afraid that our president is not that man. President Obama has already caved on this issue; it’s just not official yet.
03:47 PM on 11/30/2010
Correct-as always

David Graham Phillips wrote “Treason is a strong word, but not too strong, rather too weak, to characterize the situation in which the Senate is the eager, resourceful, indefatigable agent of interests as hostile to the American people as any invading army could be.”

"We The People" are supposed to be in power, but we have let it be stolen from us like Jefferson, Franklin, Eisenhower and many others warned.

Until EVERYONE starts talking and blogging and marching for Campaign Reform it is useless discussing anything that might challenge the special interests.
IMOPINIONH8D
because I want it empty...
04:17 PM on 11/30/2010
I agree, myself I put alot of blame on harry reid, Pelosi would get bill after bill thru and harry would never call the repubs out whenever they would threaten the fillibuster. The president allowed the narrative to be controlled starting Jan 21,2009, from death panels to foreign birth president , not hardly a word in opposition to the rightwing spin machine.Something like 80% of Americans arent even aware they got a tax cut. I could go on by why bother ................btw...........fnndndfvd
02:59 PM on 11/30/2010
Since it appears this administration (and more and more dems as the days pass) are willing to compromise (see let republicans have their way) on tax cuts, I say House dems should hold a vote...it will fail...reject a "compromise" (see let republicans have their way), and just let the tax cuts expire for EVERYONE. It will do wonders to help keep our deficit under control.