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Palestinians Confront Israeli Control In West Bank

KARIN LAUB   11/30/10 04:16 PM ET   AP

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BANI HASSAN, West Bank — Palestinians will be ready for statehood by August, as promised in a two-year action plan, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said in an interview Tuesday, dismissing a host of steep obstacles to independence.

The former World Bank economist visited rural West Bank road destroyed by Israel to demonstrate his belief that independence is inevitable as long as Palestinians don't lose faith.

The road was torn up by Israeli troops last week, on grounds that it was paved in a nature reserve in an area under full Israeli rule. Fayyad pledged to repair it immediately as part of his new campaign to challenge exclusive Israeli control over large tracts of the West Bank.

"This is where the struggle is, in the rural areas," Fayyad said during the ride back to his Ramallah office.

Despite Fayyad's optimism, signs abound that independence is still a long way off: his motorcade was led by an Israeli police cruiser, and Israeli settlements and unauthorized hilltop outposts on either side of a main West Bank highway.

Fayyad acknowledged the limitations to his authority.

The Israeli police escort is "basically a way of saying, we are in control here," Fayyad said. Israel cites concerns for his safety as the reason for insisting on sending a patrol car whenever he leaves his office in the West Bank town of Ramallah, he said.

Fayyad's Palestinian Authority operates with limited autonomy in 40 percent of the West Bank, where most of the territory's 2.3 million Palestinians live. Another 60 percent, home to more than 120 Israeli settlements, remains under full Israeli control.

In August 2009, Fayyad presented a two-year plan for building state institutions, including schools, courts and infrastructure. The idea was to generate momentum for independence regardless of crisis-prone Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

With his plan in its final phase, Fayyad said it's time to challenge Israel's exclusive control over vast tracts of the West Bank. Rebuilding the little road is just a symbol.

Fayyad said his next big project is a $400 million international airport near the West Bank town of Jericho. He acknowledged that he does not have funding yet, but said he wants to put facts on the ground.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev recommended cooperation.

"This must be done in coordination," he said, "and I think if we look at the progress of the last few years, though many challenges remain, we can see there have been many positive developments."

While Israel has significantly eased restrictions on Palestinian trade and movement, spurring modest economic growth in the past two years, it rarely grants construction permits in the areas under its control.

Major development projects, including industrial parks and the Palestinians' first planned city, have been held up because Israel would not give the go-ahead for sections under their control.

Even so, Fayyad said his government has made good progress on the two-year plan. "It could happen tomorrow, it could happen next month, but certainly no later than August of next year," he said.

Fayyad said his government is becoming less dependent on foreign aid, reducing outside support for the operating budget from $1.8 billion in 2008 to $1.2 billion this year, out of a total of $3.8 billion. By 2013, he won't need any foreign help with the budget, he predicted.

A gaping hole in many statehood plans is what to do with Gaza, which is to be the third component of a Palestinian state, along with the West Bank and east Jerusalem, but has been controlled by the Islamic militant Hamas since a violent takeover in 2007. The deep political split between Hamas and the more pragmatic West Bank government is no closer to being healed after repeated reconciliation efforts.

Fayyad said the split and Hamas' insistence on trappings of power in Gaza were misguided.

"Do I really feel a sense of sovereignty? No. Nor should anyone," he said. "So long as there is (Israeli) occupation, the state of occupation still exists in the West Bank and Gaza, what is all the fuss about? Let's gain real sovereignty and then we'll talk about it."

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03:16 PM on 12/02/2010
RubalKhali
J_ews did give a hoot about the Western Wall until M_uslims uncovered it cleaning up a Christian garbage dump. It has only been "holy" for about 500 years.

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So?

I understand that your purpose as an Arab is to denigrate what J_ews think is holy, but the point is that M_uslims, who have a code of hospitality, refuse to extend that hospitality to their J_ewish brothers EVEN IF THAT HOSPITALITY EXTENDS ONLY TO A GARBAGE DUMP.

What is it about J_ews that would cause such a grave cultural sin among M_uslims?
07:25 PM on 12/02/2010
I see he is bumping and reconstructing your comments as well.

I am not sure why this is allowed- the thread exists where it exists and this clown  breaks the thread and starts it anew,  with comments taken out of sequence and out of context.

Rather shameful.  I am not surprised, but rather shameful.
08:42 PM on 12/02/2010
Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on posting guidelines. Read. There are no such rules. You are making it up as you go along.
07:00 AM on 12/02/2010
I figure it's time to bring it up again:

Zionism's real creed: 'We must expel Arabs and take their places.'
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
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StCuthbert
Anytime the mods are ready...
09:20 AM on 12/02/2010
How many times are you going to post the same lie??

We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs. Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians (2000) by Efraim Karsh; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949 (1987) by Benny Morris, p. 25.

Real source
02:25 AM on 12/03/2010
Why do you have to go around repeating the lie that this is not the real quote?

Benny Morris stands by the quote: 'As to the exactness of my quotations from original sources, I recommend that interested readers, when in Jerusalem, consult the actual documents in the Central Zionist Archive. Do not rely on what Mr. Karsh says is in them, and do not rely on what Mr. Karsh says I say is in them.' (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/neocons--hong-kong--benny-morris--etc--9681)

Morris says of pseudo-historian Karsh: 'Efraim Karsh's article (...) is a mélange of distortions, half-truths, and plain lies that vividly demonstrates his profound ignorance of both the source material (...) and the history of the Zionist-Arab conflict.'
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
09:26 AM on 12/02/2010
Absolutely. Zionists want all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates.Their founder said it and it has been repeated many times.
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StCuthbert
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10:24 AM on 12/02/2010
When? When did "their founder" say it?
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a secular Jew
10:25 AM on 12/02/2010
This is a bogus and wrong statement! (of course you can now go on and bring selective quotes taken out of context to show how ignorant I am; go ahead). We are not lacking statements from the Palestinians claiming the entire "historical Palestine." So what?
02:57 AM on 12/02/2010
part 2:
How does barefoot2626, a self-avowed M_uslim justify this m_assacre?
barefoot2626: “J_ews brought furniture to the wall. J_ews brought chairs, bench, and stools to the Wall. Those items were prohibited.”

So M_uslims were insulted that J_ews would claim a ruined wall as theirs (M_uslims incapable of sharing even a ruin at the bottom of the Holy Mountain with their J_ewish brothers), and this, to Palestinians, Arabs and M_uslims, is reasonable justification for a m_assacre of J_ews.

And not only to argue that mass m_urder was justified by “insults,” but REPEATEDLY INSIST that that was so, even after repeated attempts to offer the opportunity to reconsider the analysis!
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10:24 AM on 12/02/2010
In BF land, the Arabs are never responsible for their own actions. So if they did something to the Jews, the Jews did something to make it happen.
11:11 AM on 12/02/2010
The Jews attacking the Western Wall  on the 15th is a matter of record.
11:10 AM on 12/02/2010
q> How does barefoot26­26, a self-avowe­d M_uslim justify this m_assacre?

Do stop bumping the thread.  Every time you do,  you LIE about what I have said.  I understand- that is what liars do- but you keep giving yourself 'do overs" hoping to come up with a snappy comeback.

Thing is:  I am smarter than you are.

q> a self-avowe­d M_uslim

This is another LIE.  It is too bad there is no penalty award for LIARS to serve- especially when they insist on reposting such tripe.

First- it is not a crime to be a Muslim.  In Israel- to be sure- you are a second class citizen to be anything other than a Jew, perhaps a third class citizen if you are Muslim.  But even in Israel, it isn't a crime. And I have not "avowed" to be a Muslim.  So:  that is a LIE.

And you LIE when you use my quote- even if it is an exact quote- to "provide"  a "response" to your reconstructed BUMPED post.

I am not a shy person:  I am happy to give an opinion, but it takes a real low down snake to  remanufacture comments people do not make.  People who see your posts know this is not new- you cannot get the response you want to go off into your bigoted diatribes but I will say here's yet another example of your dishonesty.
02:48 PM on 12/02/2010
No problem. You want to believe the Muslim way, that is fine by me. But the bigger question remains, what is it about the M_uslim faith that causes them to be religious bigots concerning J_ews?

Aren't you brothers?
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
01:45 AM on 12/02/2010
The plan for the settlement­s was also hatched and spelt out 30 years age;Disper­sal of the population is therefore a domestic strategic aim of the highest order; otherwise, we shall cease to exist within any borders. Judea, Samaria and the Galilee are our sole guarantee for national existence, and if we do not become the majority in the mountain areas, we shall not rule in the country and we shall be like the Crusaders, who lost this country which was not theirs anyhow, and in which they were foreigners to begin with. Rebalancin­g the country demographi­cally, strategica­lly and economical­ly is the highest and most central aim today. Taking hold of the mountain watershed from Beersheba to the Upper Galilee is the national aim generated by the major strategic considerat­ion which is settling the mountainou­s part of the country that is empty of Jews today.
02:41 AM on 12/02/2010
If you attended a M_uslim college, I am certain that some of your old essays are equally interesting. What is your point?
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
09:19 AM on 12/02/2010
My point is ethnic cleansing has been on the cards for decades.
Tony Andrews
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12:55 PM on 12/03/2010
Clearing the land between the Jordan Valley and the Mediterranean Sea of Arab peoples is a long term strategy of the Israeli government.

" ETHNIC CLEANSING: There is considerable evidence in the historic record of Israeli policies and actions (as well as the policies and actions of the Zionist organizations that started the State of Israel) that they intended to drive the non-Jewish Arab people out of the area of Palestine. Such a policy is called Ethnic Cleansing as per the generally accepted defintion. "

http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3l.htm
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
01:39 AM on 12/02/2010
The plans for the APARTHEID STATE were drawn up 30 years ago,this is from KIVUNIM;
There is no chance that Jordan will continue to exist in its present structure for a long time, and Israel's policy, both in war and in peace, ought to be directed at the liquidation of Jordan under the present regime and the transfer of power to the Palestinian majority. Changing the regime east of the river will also cause the termination of the problem of the territories densely populated with Arabs west of the Jordan. Whether in war or under conditions of peace, emigrationfrom the territories and economic demographic freeze in them, are the guarantees for the coming change on both banks of the river, and we ought to be active to accelerate this process in the nearest future. The autonomy plan ought also to be rejected, as well as any compromise or division of the territories for, given the plans of the PLO and those of the Israeli Arabs themselves, the Shefa'amr plan of September 1980, it is not possible to go on living in this country in the present situation without separating the two nations, the Arabs to Jordan and the Jews to the areas west of the river. Genuine coexistence and peace will reign over the land only when the Arabs understand that without Jewish rule between the Jordan and the sea they will have neither existence nor security. A nation of their own and security will be theirs only in Jordan.
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
01:33 AM on 12/02/2010
Zionists do not want peace.
(Regaining) the Sinai peninsula with its present and potential resources is therefore a political priority which is obstructed by the Camp David and the peace agreements. The fault for that lies of course with the present Israeli government and the governments which paved the road to the policy of territorial compromise, the Alignment governments since 1967. The Egyptians will not need to keep the peace treaty after the return of the Sinai, and they will do all they can to return to the fold of the Arab world and to the USSR in order to gain support and military assistance. American aid is guaranteed only for a short while, for the terms of the peace and the weakening of the U.S. both at home and abroad will bring about a reduction in aid. Without oil and the income from it, with the present enormous expenditure, we will not be able to get through 1982 under the present conditions and we will have to act in order to return the situation to the status quo which existed in Sinai prior to Sadat's visit and the mistaken peace agreement signed with him in March 1979.10



This essay originally appeared in Hebrew in KIVUNIM (Directions), A Journal for Judaism and Zionism; Issue No, 14--Winter, 5742, February 1982, Editor: Yoram Beck. Editorial Committee: Eli Eyal, Yoram Beck, Amnon Hadari, Yohanan Manor, Elieser Schweid. Published by the Department of Publicity/The World Zionist Organization, Jerusalem.
02:07 AM on 12/02/2010
The opinions one one person. So what?
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
09:24 AM on 12/02/2010
Actually as it appeared in Kivunim and was published by the World Zionist Organization I'd have to say it is the opinion of more than one person and is a good reflection of the low esteem that zionists hold peace in.It also makes note of the greed for Egypt's oil and calls a peace agreement a mistake! You are continually writing that Arabs should give peace a chance and here is evidence that not only do zionists not want peace, but that they want to attack a country that signed a peace deal with Israel.That's so what.
01:05 AM on 12/02/2010
Long before there was a J_ewish state, Arabs refuse to extend hospitalit­y to their J_ewish brothers extending them m_urder instead. What is it about J_ews that would cause such a cultural sin for hundreds years among M_uslims?

1834:
"On June 15, 1834 [1], Arab M_uslim rioters went on a rampage, m_assacre [2] [3], mass-r_ape [4] on J_ews in Safed Palestine province

The inciter, a local M_uslim clergyman, self proclaimed Islamic "prophet" Muhammad Damoor, "foresaw" the m_assacre which he agitated to.[2][5] From his "prophecies":

"the true Believers would rise up in just wrath against the J_ews, and despoil them of their gold, and their silver, and their jewels." [6]

The pogrom, went on for 33 days [7].
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01:10 AM on 12/02/2010
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02:10 AM on 12/02/2010
So what? see those little numbers? that indicates SOURCES. That means EVIDENCE of a real event.

You are attempting to dismiss a real event with a discussion over the quality of the Wiki dictation. When you have done the research and rewriten that article to higher standards, let me know.

good try.
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01:12 AM on 12/02/2010
1947-49

Zionist forces committed 33 massacres and destroyed 531 Palestinian towns “According to the former director of the Israeli army archives, ‘in almost every village occupied by us during the War... acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes’...Uri Milstein, the authoritative Israeli military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that ‘every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs.
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jennyopines
All generalizations are false, including this one.
08:58 PM on 12/01/2010
Not once, not in any chat room or forum dealing with Israel have I ever seen a Zionist ever admit to any wrong done be Israel...not once.....not to anything......interesting.
11:04 PM on 12/01/2010
that's ridiculous, i have several times and so have many other israel-supporters.
11:40 PM on 12/01/2010
Sure you have.

Who started the 1967 Six Day War?
11:59 PM on 12/01/2010
The same can be said of your crew of Israel delegitimizers, leftists and far right haters that pop up on every Israel-related blog posting the same propaganda day in and out.

While I have often posted of "Israel's sins," it was done to acknowledge that sins are on all sides in this argument. Since the delegitimizer team constantly demonizes each and every J_ewish sin they can find, there is only reason for me to point out that the Palestinians sins are also many.

The point is that I cannot find anything similar from YOU, Not once, not in any Huffpost forum dealing with Israel have I ever seen YOU or any delegitimizer ever admit to any wrong done by Arabs/P_alestinians/M_uslims...n­ot once.....n­ot to anything..­....intere­sting.
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RubalKhali
Philosophy is the stray camel of the faithful
12:19 AM on 12/02/2010
I can't say I ever remember you posting about Israeli sins like Deir Yassin,Qana 1 and 2,Sabaa and Chatila,targetting U.N. observers , hospitals, schools, civilians,the brutality of the occupation, the illegality of settlements, the breaking of the Geneva Convention, the civilian deaths caused by the invasion and occupation of Lebanon, the protection of war criminals like Sharon and Begin, the complete abrogation of International law, use of other countries passports by murderers (condoned and abetted by the government), the intransigence of the right wing fanatics with regards to peace talks.But I do look forward to a time when you start to.
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
05:24 PM on 12/02/2010
Two days ago I said that shelling Sderot is wrong and the suicide bombing campaign was wrong. Throwing around "evers" and "anythings" does not make your opinion valid.
08:25 PM on 12/01/2010
What happened when the Jews voiced their claim to the Western Wall:

-August 23, 1929: “Arabs attacked the Jewish areas in Jerusalem killing 140 Jews and injuring thousands. In the Hebron attack of the same day Arabs slaughtered all the men women and children of an unarmed yeshiva community.”

-“the Mufti of Jerusalem, Hadj Amin el-Husseini used the slogan “Death to the Jews” and instigated this massacre, by saying the Jews were about to destroy the Golden Dome Mosque.”

barefoot2626 replied:
“First= the riots in Hebron were caused by the Jews who ATTACKED the Western Wall in Jerusalem and claimed the wall for ZIonists.”

(when challenged about using the word "attack" to describe the reason why Arabs responded with massacres to this event, he posted the following evidence of an "attack":)

barefoot2626 posted:
"On 15 August 1929, several hundred members of Joseph Klausner's Committee for the Western Wall, among them members of Vladimir Jabotinsky's Revisionist Zionism movement Betar youth organisation, under the leadership of Jeremiah Halpern, assembled at the Western Wall in Jerusalem shouting "the Wall is ours".[6] They raised the Jewish national flag and sang the song "Hatikvah" ("The Hope"), which later became the Israeli national anthem."

(some attack, but that is how those who hate the Jewish homeland see things)

Continued....
11:42 PM on 12/01/2010
q> -August 23, 1929:

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PS:  Riots began when Jews attacked the Western Wall on Aug. 15th.

NIce bump, BTW.
12:08 AM on 12/02/2010
several hundred members of Joseph Klausner's Committee for the Western Wall.... assembled at the Western Wall in Jerusalem shouting "the Wall is ours".[6]

They raised the Jewish national flag and sang the song "Hatikvah" ("The Hope"), which later became the Israeli national anthem."

And THIS protest you describe as an "attack" and worthy of hundreds of m_urders of J_ewish citizens....that's weird
12:08 AM on 12/02/2010
several hundred members of Joseph Klausner's Committee for the Western Wall.... assembled at the Western Wall in Jerusalem shouting "the Wall is ours".[6]

"They raised the J_ewish national flag and sang the song "Hatikvah" ("The Hope"), which later became the Israeli national anthem."

And THIS protest you describe as an "attack" and worthy of hundreds of m_urders of J_ewish citizens..­..that's weird
11:46 PM on 12/01/2010
q> (when challenged about using the word "attack

I guess you get to retell it instead of just posting the URL.

I am mindful of someone who tells a story and his recollection makes his comebacks always sound better than what actually happened-  after several days, he comes up with something a little more clever.

You are not very clever.  Don't dig up reruns, especially when you are going to lie about it.
12:12 AM on 12/02/2010
I quoted YOUR words accurately. I did so so YOU could have an opportunity to see them separated from the rest of your diatribe and hopefully understand how exaggerated you have retold the story.

Exaggeration in story-telling is a common trait in the East. Are you Arab?
08:10 PM on 12/01/2010
When these articles stop willfully ignoring the election Hamas won and the violence Fatah used to maintain control in the West Bank despite losing, I'll take the ramblings of the unelected more seriously.
08:28 PM on 12/01/2010
It has nothing to do with "these articles"

Most of the nations of the world have declared the election of Hamas as illegitimate. T_errorists are not accepted as legitimate except by pariah nations like Iran and North Korea, and leftists.

please do try to take some time to research an read B 4 posting.
12:43 AM on 12/02/2010
q> Most of the nations of the world have declared the
q> election of Hamas as illegitima­te.

This is an OUTRAGEOUS lie.
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08:28 PM on 12/01/2010
You defend the sworn terrorists who's charter states:

‘There is no solution for the Palestinia­n question except through Jihad. Initiative­s, proposals and internatio­nal conference­s are all a waste of time and vain endeavours­.’

Interesting.
11:47 PM on 12/01/2010
q> You defend the sworn terrorists who's charter states:

Israel occupies Palestine.  Palestine does not occupy Israel.
08:02 PM on 12/01/2010
By the way, does everyone see the Bing videos on this page ? "West Bank Road for Israelis only " Despicable. Shameful.
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06:34 PM on 12/01/2010
Viva Israel! Happy Hanukah everyone !
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08:53 AM on 12/02/2010
LF never heard of the Maccabees until yesterday, weird, huh?
Peabodies
We are the Many. They are the Few.
06:24 PM on 12/01/2010
There is a wonderful documentary about the peaceful resistance of Palestinians in the olive groves of the West Bank village of "Budrus", the name of the documentary movie. See it if you can.
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Rubiconski
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05:39 PM on 12/01/2010
Of course all the land belongs to Israel.

An old old book of fairy tales, written by some people who thought the earth was flat. says so.
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06:37 PM on 12/01/2010
Right and the Aborigines are fariytales and the the american indians and the koisans in africa all fairytales...Go back and watch cinderella its on your level and probably better for you.