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Number Of Stars In The Universe Could Be 300 Sextillion, Triple The Amount Scientists Previously Thought: Study

SETH BORENSTEIN   12/ 1/10 09:32 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — The universe may glitter with far more stars than even Carl Sagan imagined when he rhapsodized about billions upon billions. A new study suggests there are a mind-blowing 300 sextillion of them, or three times as many as scientists previously calculated. That is a 3 followed by 23 zeros. Or 3 trillion times 100 billion.

The estimate, contained in a study published online Wednesday in the journal Nature, is based on findings that there are many more red dwarf stars – the most common star in the universe – than once thought.

But the research goes deeper than that. The study by Yale University astronomer Pieter van Dokkum and Harvard astrophysicist Charlie Conroy questions a key assumption that astronomers often use: that most galaxies have the same properties as our Milky Way. And that conclusion is deeply unsettling to astronomers who want a more orderly cosmos.

When scientists previously estimated the total number of stars, they assumed that all galaxies had the same ratio of dwarf stars as the Milky Way, which is spiral-shaped. Much of our understanding of the universe is based on observations made inside our own galaxy and then extrapolated to other galaxies.

But about one-third of the galaxies in the universe are elliptical, not spiral, and van Dokkum found they aren't really made up the same way as ours.

Using the Keck telescope in Hawaii, van Dokkum and a colleague gazed into eight distant, elliptical galaxies and looked at their hard-to-differentiate light signatures. The scientists calculated that elliptical galaxies have more red dwarf stars than predicted. A lot more.

"We're seeing 10 or 20 times more stars than we expected," van Dokkum said.

Generally scientists believe there are 100 billion to a trillion galaxies in the universe. And each galaxy – the Milky Way included – was thought to have 100 billion to a trillion stars. Sagan, the Cornell University scientist and best-selling author who was often impersonated by comedians as saying "billions and billions," usually said there were 100 billion galaxies, each with 100 billion stars.

Van Dokkum's work takes these numbers and adjusts them. That's because some of those galaxies – the elliptical ones, which account for about a third of all galaxies – have as many as 1 trillion to 10 trillion stars, not a measly 100 billion. When van Dokkum and Conroy crunched the incredibly big numbers, they found that it tripled the estimate of stars in the universe from 100 sextillion to 300 sextillion.

That's a huge number to grasp, even for astronomers who are used to dealing in light years and trillions, Conroy said.

"It's fun because it gets you thinking about these large numbers," Conroy said. Conroy looked up how many cells are in the average human body – 50 trillion or so – and multiplied that by the 6 billion people on Earth. And he came up with about 300 sextillion.

So the number of stars in the universe "is equal to all the cells in the humans on Earth – a kind of funny coincidence," Conroy said.

For the past month, astronomers have been buzzing about van Dokkum's findings, and many aren't too happy about them, said astronomer Richard Ellis of the California Institute of Technology.

Van Dokkum's paper challenges the assumption of "a more orderly universe" and gives credence to "the idea that the universe is more complicated than we think," Ellis said. "It's a little alarmist."

Ellis said it is too early to tell if van Dokkum is right or wrong, but his work is shaking up the field "like a cat among pigeons."

Van Dokkum agreed, saying, "Frankly, it's a big pain."

Ellis said the new study does make sense. Its biggest weakness might be the assumption that the chemical composition of dwarf stars is the same in elliptical galaxies as in the Milky Way. That might be wrong, Ellis said. If it is, it would mean there are only five times more red dwarf stars in elliptical galaxies than previously thought, instead of 10 or 20, van Dokkum said.

Slightly closer to home, at least in our own galaxy, another study also published in Nature looks at a single red dwarf star in a way that is a step forward in astronomers' search for life beyond Earth. A team led by a Harvard scientist was able to home in on the atmosphere of a planet circling that star, using the European Southern Observatory's Very Large Telescope in Chile.

The planet lives up to the word alien. The team reports that this giant planet's atmosphere is either dense with sizzling water vapor like a souped-up steam bath, or it is full of hazy, choking hydrogen and helium clouds with a slightly blue tint. The latter is more likely, say the researchers and others not involved in the study.

While scientists have been able to figure out the atmosphere of gas giants the size of Jupiter or bigger, this is a first for the type of planet called a super Earth – something with a mass 2 to 10 times Earth's. The planet is more comparable to Neptune and circles a star about 42 light years from Earth. A light year is nearly 6 trillion miles.

The planet is nowhere near livable – it's about 440 degrees (about 225 degrees Celsius). "You wouldn't want to be there. It would be unpleasant," said study co-author Eliza Kempton of the University of California Santa Clara.

But describing its atmosphere is a big step toward understanding potentially habitable planets outside our solar system, said study chief author Jacob Bean at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

Bean and Kempton looked at the light spectrum signature from the large planet as it passed in front of the dwarf star, and the result led to two possible conclusions: steam bath or haze.

The steam bath is the more interesting possibility because water is key to life, said outside scientist Alan Boss of the Carnegie Institution of Washington.

But an upcoming and still unpublished study by Kempton and Bryce Croll at the University of Toronto points more toward a hydrogen-helium atmosphere, several astronomers said.

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12:17 AM on 01/27/2011
The Astronomers are still under estimating the number of stars. There are over 90 x with 24 zeros stars in the universe.
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RichieB
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08:55 PM on 12/03/2010
So, 300 sextillion stars in the universe, all put there just for little ole earth and its inhabitants to enjoy. lol No possible way there is life elsewhere in the universe?
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MekhongKurt
06:21 PM on 12/03/2010
Heck, even if the number of stars universe-wide turns out to be "only" 5 times what was previously thought, I'd say that's a mighty significant uptick, particularly if many of them turn out to be red dwarfs. The implications for the possibility of alien life are enormous.

In a way, it doesn't matter if one takes a purely scientific approach or one based on religion. Why?

Well, if the existence of life on Earth, including intelligent life, is the result of one or more accidents of nature, why couldn't those same accidents happen sometime, someplace elsewhere? It's at least theoretically possible, though I won't get into a probability debate.

On the other hand, some believe, for example, that God created everything, including life on Earth. Reflecting on the sacred texts of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, I can't recall ever having heard of any passage in any of them that even imply, much less outright state, that God hasn't or couldn't do the same thing on other planets. For that matter, He could create intelligent life forms that are gaseous blobs floating in the void -- couldn't He? Or would you limit the power of the very God you say is all-powerful?

I, for one, hope there is intelligent -- and, preferably, benevolent -- life elsewhere, and that someday we'll meet them. As I'm older, I don't expect that to happen in my lifetime, though that sure would be nice, but I still hope.
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10:10 AM on 12/02/2010
These numbers and distances are so difficult to comprehend.
Try picturing only the size of our own Milky Way. If our sun were the size of a period typed on your computer, think of it's relation to a space the size of your house, or your street, or your town. Actually, if our sun were the size of a period, the Milky Way would be the size of the continental United States - outside of which, there are at least a hundred billion galaxies just like it - or larger.
It is a startling fact that as our technical capabilities advance, we keep finding out that the universe is a much larger place than we thought.
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RichieB
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08:39 PM on 12/03/2010
And stranger than we ever could image.
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03:41 AM on 12/02/2010
It may be realistic to talk about the number of stars in this one, local universe, but since there are likely an infinite number of universes, what are we really discussing? Are we talking about the number of stars in our local universe, or the number of stars in all of the universes? If we are talking about the number of stars in all of the universes, then we are talking about something that is infinite, and infinity tripled is not three times as much as infinity, but rather it is, simply and still, infinite.
IMOPINIONH8D
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06:43 PM on 12/02/2010
Thats the answer I was looking for. If the universe is unending then there is an unlimited amount of stars to count.................fnndndfvd
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12:24 PM on 12/03/2010
Even if the universe is infinite, I believe there is still a finite amount of matter/energy - which limits the amount of stars possible.
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cjk002
Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress
03:29 PM on 12/05/2010
You're assuming that every part of the universe is filled with stars, it isn't. We can only see as far as light has traveled since the big bang. What's beyond that, we have no idea.
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khanti
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02:25 AM on 12/02/2010
As many grain of sands as there are on our beaches.
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03:42 AM on 12/02/2010
Someone did the math, and there are more stars than the number of grains of sand on all of the beaches of Earth.
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khanti
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03:48 AM on 12/02/2010
Wow thanks for the correction -English I mean.
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because I want it empty...
06:46 PM on 12/02/2010
The grains of sand are limited as to how many of them there can be, the stars are unlimited because the universe doesnt end.
08:42 PM on 12/03/2010
Actually there is a debate between scientists about whether the universe will forever be expanding, or whether it will reach a maximum size before starting anew again.
01:46 AM on 12/02/2010
Why 3e23 stars? Why not make it an even mol?
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01:05 AM on 12/02/2010
And at least triple the chance that aliens may be our own ancesters... Is Genesis correct, but for the wrong reason? That is, we came from not gods, rather, ET?
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01:20 AM on 12/02/2010
Or perhaps life floated here, riding a comet or meterorite, in the form of a virus? A new theory suggests that all life on this planet originated from ancient viruses. Were they created here? Or elsewhere?
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06:13 AM on 12/02/2010
I know, but I'm not telling!
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DG3
01:05 AM on 12/02/2010
It's always a trip to think that the universe goes on indefinitely. There may be an end to how far the stars reach out, but the surrounding darkness never ends. Kinda freaky.
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FormerReaganite
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01:13 AM on 12/02/2010
Really though, there is no REASON for space to actually END. Why must it? In our minds, yes... but then we are but small specks, imagining a thing which is unbounded... blows the mind, I say.
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DG3
04:55 AM on 12/02/2010
I agree.
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StephenJK
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02:00 AM on 12/04/2010
There is absolutely no reason to believe there is a wall somewhere out there in the furthest reaches of the Universe. That would defy the logical nature of the Universe.
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06:45 PM on 12/03/2010
@DG3, you raise an interesting, valid point -- one that's critical.

I consider myself to be a reasonably literate observer of science, though I most assuredly am not a scientist. (I'm a university instructor in the humanities.) However, I often have to remind myself that when astronomers talk about the Universe being 14+ billion years old, I regularly have to remind myself that they're talking about the *matter* in the Universe -- not the void that is the presumably larger Universe. I also have to remind myself that just because the most distant objects we have detected are out near the edge of the matter in the universe doesn't mean we're not wrong about where that edge is: there may be stuff beyond that -- which would push back the age of the "Universe" (as defined by matter) even further.

Of course, for many of us, including me, reconciling the contradictions is impossible. On the one hand, a truly *infinite* void is impossible to conceive (again, for many, if not all, of us). On the other hand, if we imagine the physical void *does* end -- we're left to struggle with the perhaps unanswerable question of "What lies beyond?"

In any case, even if the finding reported here is entirely wrong, that still leaves a whole *bunch* of stars, by anybody's reckoning, and, therefore, a whole bunch of possibilities for SOME kind of alien life.
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08:21 PM on 12/03/2010
"Of course, for many of us, including me, reconcilin­g the contradict­ions is impossible­. On the one hand, a truly *infinite* void is impossible to conceive (again, for many, if not all, of us). On the other hand, if we imagine the physical void *does* end -- we're left to struggle with the perhaps unanswerab­le question of "What lies beyond?"

Exactly.

I'm no scientist or a person with great intellect, but even I know that nothing is something. When I was younger and heard that the universe had an 'end', I just looked at it as if the end consisted of a brick wall. If you removed a brick, what is behind it is still space.

So even though it boggles the mind, it makes perfect sense that it's goes on for infinity.
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11:43 PM on 12/01/2010
300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Counting to that would probably take a few millennia.
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StephenJK
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02:04 AM on 12/04/2010
Nope, I just did it. Only took a millisecond.
11:27 PM on 12/01/2010
In case you're wondering, this is in the "green" section because it turns out that the real reason the planet is getting warmer is because 3 times as many stars are shining on it as we thought. Happy to be able to clear that up for you.
11:37 PM on 12/01/2010
About as relevant to environmentalism as the cute animal items.
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LMPE
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11:41 PM on 12/01/2010
You're supposed to talk out of your mouth, not that other place.
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bridgeman
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10:11 PM on 12/01/2010
1 quadrillion penny's stacked on top of each will reach the height of 986,426,767,677 Miles

http://www.kokogiak.com/megapenny/eighteen.asp

A sextillian is a thousand pentallion, which in turn is a thousand quadrillion, which is a thousand billion.

Imagine stacking 300 sextillion pennies?
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11:33 PM on 12/01/2010
If you step up to one sextillion, imagine a cube of pennies about 50 miles wide tall and thick.

so at 300 sextillion pennies, imagine a cube of pennies about 15,000 miles wide, tall and thick
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StephenJK
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02:06 AM on 12/04/2010
HA! There isn't enough material in the world to make that many pennies.
11:24 AM on 01/07/2011
Um, if ONE sextillion pennies make a cube 50 miles wide, 50 miles tall and 50 miles thick, then it stands to reason that doubling that to TWO sextillion pennies would therefore double the number of cubes you have to TWO, which would make it 100 miles wide, 50 miles tall and 50 miles thick. Imagine a square lego is your sextillion cube. Double it. You now have two legos. Snapping them together only doubles one of the dimension (either length, width or height).

So it would further stand to reason that 300 sextillion pennies would mean 300 of these cubes, which when laid end to end would be 15,000 miles long, 50 miles tall and 50 miles thick (300 legos tall, 1 lego wide, 1 lego thick), giving a total volume of 37.5 million cubic miles.

That many cubic miles is equal to a sphere (or a moon or whatever) that is 415.28 miles in diameter.
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toldyeso
12:06 AM on 12/02/2010
by the way the diameter of the earth at the equator is 7,926.41 miles
09:48 PM on 12/01/2010
Science! You gotta love it!
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LMPE
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11:39 PM on 12/01/2010
too bad millions of ignoramuses reject science
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FormerReaganite
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01:07 AM on 12/02/2010
In Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, etc
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09:42 AM on 12/02/2010
I love Science and Astronomy and I love gazing at the stars ;-)
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09:41 PM on 12/01/2010
And Obama killed the space program so we will never get there.
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toldyeso
11:34 PM on 12/01/2010
that really pisses me off.
11:55 PM on 12/01/2010
Obama *increased* NASA funding by $6B a year.

The so-called "gap" is NASA's own fault, exacerbated by the surreality of Congress. The gap between Shuttle retirement and a new NASA crew vehicle was inevitable long before Obama took office.

In addition to the long saga of failures from NLS and VentureStar to NASP and OSP, the outgoing Constellation program was derailed by the 2005 ESAS study which produced an architecture way too expensive to fit within the budget and beset with technical flaws that eliminated any perceived advantages such as hardware commonality that the architecture had touted.

The Augustine Commission concluded that even if NASA were given the development budget as a gift, they'd immediately have to shut the program down because it would be too expensive to operate. The "Apollo on Steroids" concept would have done nothing to advance humanity's reach or lasting presence in space. It specifically avoided architectural elements such as propellant depots that would point us along a path toward sustainable space exploration.

Stay tuned for the first flight of the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft on Tuesday. This is the beginning of a new era of spaceflight, driven by technical innovation and entrepreneurial spirit rather than bloated nostalgia and bureaucratic stagnation.

For the same amount of money that NASA used to build an umbilical tower for a rocket that will never fly, SpaceX developed an entire space transportation system from scratch: three new rocket engines, two new launch vehicles, two new launch complexes, and a reusable spacecraft designed to carry cargo and eventually crew. All of it manufactured in the USA.

For the first time in a long while, there is a glimmer of hope for our space program.
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08:35 AM on 12/02/2010
Assuming, of course, it is for "our" space program.
Assuming, of course, it is for our "space" program.

Take your pick...
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MmeFlutterbye
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09:41 PM on 12/01/2010
It gets harder and harder for me to believe that we are the only beings in the Universe. One day we might know, when we overcome the hugem now-incomprehensible distances between us and say another blue planet. Besides, thinking that we are alone in the vastness is a little disconcerting.
11:26 PM on 12/01/2010
But if we aren't, everyone else sure is being awful quiet, eh?

Unless, that is, the overnight radio programs are right!
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01:09 AM on 12/02/2010
Two of my favorite SciFi flicks

"Contact" and "Day The Earth Stood Still"