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Gibbs: Stand-Alone DADT Repeal, Which Obama Backs, Could Avoid Filibuster

First Posted: 12/10/10 01:23 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

Robert Gibbs

WASHINGTON -- The White House on Friday raised the tantalizing specter of pushing a stand-alone repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell through the Congress in a manner that would avoid a Senate filibuster.

Speaking the day after a defense authorization bill carrying a DADT repeal failed to pass the Senate by a 57-40 vote, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs affirmed that the president would support efforts, championed by Sens. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine), to consider overturning the ban on gays in the military alone. Encouraging repeal proponents who, at this juncture, cling to hope's last threads, Gibbs suggested that this latest vehicle had better chance of passage than those prior, owing to a procedural path that could avoid a 60-vote minimum.

"The president remains committed to seeing this repeal done before Congress leaves town this year," Gibbs said at an off-camera briefing. "[There were] 57 votes yesterday, and frankly, you can see how you get even more. And I think there could be a legislative vehicle that starts in the House as a stand alone and withstands procedural hurdles and puts the Senate on the record on an up or down vote for the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell."

So there are ways to avoid the filibuster? "I think there are ways," Gibbs replied.

Those ways, however, aren't entirely clear. The White House did not immediately return follow-up requests for clarification, and sources on the Hill sounded skeptical when pressed.

"It's not quite true," said a leadership aide. "The House would pass and send it over as a message from the House. It would still be subject to a filibuster on the tail end, however."

If the 60-vote threshold must indeed be met, the White House remained confident that it could be. But the straightforward math is not entirely clear. Democrats have one clear-cut GOP vote, in the form of the bill's co-sponsor: Collins. But it would likely need at least two more for cloture.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) voted no on the defense authorization bill on Thursday night, leaving Democrats at 57. And while leadership aides initially thought they could get his vote were he the deciding member, their hopes deflated shortly thereafter. Manchin's office didn't return request for comment, but a top Senate aide said simply putting DADT repeal in one bill was "not going to change his vote," though the aide added, "I think the only one who could make the difference in this is the White House."

"People clearly knew where he was because it was pretty obvious unless you weren't paying attention," the aide said. "Look at what he said in some of the interviews he did with the West Virginia press. Look at what he said in the hearings..."

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WASHINGTON -- The White House on Friday raised the tantalizing specter of pushing a stand-alone repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell through the Congress in a manner that would avoid a Senate filibuster. ...
WASHINGTON -- The White House on Friday raised the tantalizing specter of pushing a stand-alone repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell through the Congress in a manner that would avoid a Senate filibuster. ...
 
 
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SPQR1052 03:01 PM on 12/10/2010
I say this to all  those who like me would like to see DADT repealed.  It will not happen legislatively  this was never in the cards ---EVER and if you believe that it was you are naive. One would hope that our representative would do the correct thing however some live in South Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky ecc. Not possible. 

As a former officer I will point out that I  Read More...
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Doug Watt
Not ready for 2012
01:35 AM on 12/11/2010
"So there are ways to avoid the filibuster? "I think there are ways," Gibbs replied."

They're still yanking our chains. They know it won't pass, but think we'll think they're working hard on it. In fact I'll bet Obama still hasn't made one call to lobby any senators for their votes and he won't even if the bill comes up for consideration.

The image of Obama that has been revealed this week is one of stunning arrogance and disdain for not just gay people but middle class people in general.
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Jdaddy1951
09:29 PM on 12/10/2010
Well, IF it comes up in the rapidly disappearing lame duck session, let's hope President Obama gives it more enthusiastic support than he did other gay rights issues this past year. Otherwise, it's just tepid dishwater poured on tepid dishwater ...
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f0rTyLeGz
Everything is falling.
06:44 PM on 12/10/2010
Ah... such a disappointment President Obama. So weak. Remember how O was going to CLOSE Gitmo? Remember how sick you felt when O sent 30,000 MORE troops to Afghanistan? Remember when Obama thought it was a good compromise to extend BUSH tax cuts for the very rich?

I feel POISONED.
05:41 PM on 12/10/2010
I'm not even gay but this country's position on gays in the military would be enough for me to refuse to volunteer to put my life on the line in her defense.
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05:40 PM on 12/10/2010
Why don't they just say it has a better chance with a different president in the future some time. Obama could end this as easily as Clinton began it. BO is such a failure.
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Turtlenews
06:21 PM on 12/10/2010
and it has a difficult chance now that young voters and the far left voters stayed home
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rambot02
A modest proposal...
10:23 AM on 12/11/2010
You are factually incorrect about the ease with which Obama can end DADT. Clinton began DADT as a policy but Congress then codified it into law, meaning an executive order can't end it. Truman was able to desegregate the military with the stroke of a pen because segregation in the armed forces was a Pentagon policy, not a law. Obama doesn't have that option, but he could issue an executive order suspending all ongoing investigations until the courts settle this (which is where this issue is heading if the Senate doesn't repeal it soon.)
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01:15 PM on 12/11/2010
Excuses are like a holes, everyone has one.
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Turtlenews
05:26 PM on 12/10/2010
DADT Repeal needs to be a condition of the Military Spending Bill or the Tax Bill Otherwise hold up military spending or let all tax cuts expire
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Doug Watt
Not ready for 2012
01:37 AM on 12/11/2010
I completely agree.
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indc
05:22 PM on 12/10/2010
The price of oil may drop considerable if Gibbs eliminates just 50% of the grease on his hair.
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DallasDon
Yo Yo Yo, This Is My Crow... ✈. Bye, Yo.
05:01 PM on 12/10/2010
⊰The Sacred Band Of Thebes⊱
۩▬▬▬▬۩▬▬▬▬­­۩▬▬▬▬۩

I'd like to introduce you to gay men who served
in the armies of ancient Greek city-state­­­­­­­s.

The 1st military strategist to form armies of gay men was Pammenes,
he not only wanted gay men in his army, he also recruited their lovers.

The Thebans had just such a regiment as the core of their army called
The Sacred Band of Thebes;
They're credited with making Thebes the most powerful city-state­­­­­­­.

In the Leltanine War between the Eretrians & the Chalcidian­­­­­­­s,
the Chalcidian­­­­­­­s called for the aid of gay warrior Cleomachus­­­­­­­.
He answered and brought along his lover,
they charged the Eretians & brought the Chalcidian­­­­­­­s victory.

Another prominent gay military figure was Epaminonda­­­­­­­s,
he's considered the greatest warrior-st­­­­­­­ates­m­e­n of Thebes,
he had two male lovers: Asopichus & Caphisodor­­­­­­­us.

Another pair of warrior-lo­­­­­­­vers­, Aristogito­­­­­­­n & Harmodius, are credited with the
downfall of tyranny in Athens & the rise of democracy. Very impressive men.

Combat readiness & unit cohesion has nothing to do with homosexual­­­­­ity,
if gays & lesbians want to serve, they should be allowed to do so openly.

Discrimina­­­­­­­tion against gays makes no sense in civilian life
& DADT makes no sense militarily­­­­­­­.
Gay men have been serving heroically forever.

The day will come when the US government stops discrimina­­­­­­­ting
against it's gay & lesbian citizens, until that day comes.....

The work goes on. The cause endures.
Hope still lives and the dream shall never die_.

۩▬▬▬▬۩▬▬▬▬­­۩▬▬▬▬۩
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:04 PM on 12/10/2010
Hey, DallasDon, great post as always! Thanks for pointing out that some of the greatest military men in history have indeed been gay. Always enjoy reading your posts.
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DallasDon
Yo Yo Yo, This Is My Crow... ✈. Bye, Yo.
05:11 PM on 12/10/2010
Hi Lightoller, it's good to see you ;-)

Eventually I'll get around to writing about the Spartans and Alexander the Great and many others;
I'll continue to write on this subject till DADT is repealed once and for all.
Thanks for reading!
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Doug Watt
Not ready for 2012
01:39 AM on 12/11/2010
Thanks for that, Don.
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ArjenBoatsma
No such thing as too much coffee.
04:51 PM on 12/10/2010
A little less hope, a bit more change, and a LOT more spine, please.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:30 PM on 12/10/2010
From your mouth to Obama's ear.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:30 PM on 12/10/2010
F&F, BTW
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jsgaetano
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus!
04:51 PM on 12/10/2010
WH: "Well, DADY would be nice... but we're far more concerned with capitulating to conservatives".
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Tugar
"We The People"
04:43 PM on 12/10/2010
AMERICA IS BLESSED TO HAVE BARAK OBAMA as our President right now, and Robert Gibbs is an excellent Press Secretary !

The Obama administration has done everything to work with the Republican party, AND THAT AIN'T BEEN NO PICNIC, BELIEVE ME ! ... And they've all been screaming like whaling babies in a nursery for their formula of "AN EXTENSION TO TAX CUTS" that GWB put into affect for them almost 10 years ago now. And they've enjoyed their money, while America has been cutting our lives down to the BONE ! Losing jobs, our homes, bank account savings. Now the GOP wants to start chopping improvements needed by our military, (you know things like better, armored vehicles and other essentials. Federal employees have just been told, there will be a 2 yr freeze on salaries, the elderly has just been told; No COLA increases for 2011.

But these GREEDY PEOPLE, known as the GOP and their new co-horts that will join them in January, want their millionaire tax cuts ! And the newly elected TEAPARTY crowd just put ban on ending "Earmarks." Because after arriving in Washington, someone clued them into what "Earmarks" are: .... New Roads, Tunnels, Bridges anything with public funding heading toward their respective states. Now, they don't want to end Earmarks now ! .. YOU BETCHA ! No matter how much the TP clammered for an end to them before,.... who also didn't know what "Earmarks" actually were !
04:51 PM on 12/10/2010
Michelle, it is a shame nobody agrees with you.
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Tugar
"We The People"
04:59 PM on 12/10/2010
SPEAK ONLY FOR YOURSELF SWEETHEART ! .... And I wish I had Michelle's figure !
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
05:31 PM on 12/10/2010
F&F. I certainly agree with you.
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1088
04:41 PM on 12/10/2010
Again, the President gets the blame for Harry Reid incompetence.
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jsgaetano
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus!
04:52 PM on 12/10/2010
So did Harry set up the capitulation meeting between Obama and the Goop?
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Turtlenews
05:20 PM on 12/10/2010
tell me facts why Reid is Incompetent? I
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Hiddenfangs
Four legs good, two legs bad
05:57 PM on 12/10/2010
It is his job to gets the votes to pass legisilation. His job. And hey, maybe make sure ALL your people are there before calling a vote. Wait until Republicans are at the dentist.
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BennBell
04:35 PM on 12/10/2010
Obama needs to exercise leadership on this issue. DADT needs to be repealed this session!
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ColinStevens
04:46 PM on 12/10/2010
Um. He IS.

Tell that to Republicans, not the President. Stop attacking the person TRYING TO GET IT REPEALED.
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the crustybastard
I could be worse, and have been.
04:54 PM on 12/10/2010
If Obama hadn't appealed his defeat in LCR v US, there wouldn't be a law to repeal.
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Douglas Campbell
12:54 AM on 12/11/2010
oh,ok. here's the cliche who starts posts with "um"...havent you heard, "really?" is the new "um?"
04:33 PM on 12/10/2010
Obama is generally a disgrace to the Democratic party. The bank bailouts, tarp, his horrible "heath care" (why no single payer?) gift to big insureance, Iraq, Afganistan, Yemen, his response to WikiLeaks, etc. He is a complete faiure to Progressive values and pretty much a liar. Then a glimmer of the "Hope" he ran on in his backing of this "stand alone" vote on DADT. He still will not get My vote!
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ColinStevens
04:48 PM on 12/10/2010
Um. Are you an @diot?

BUSH did TARP, which WAS the bank bailouts - you think they're a different thing? LOL And Obama got TARP COMPLETELY RE-PAID already. CATCH UP. He's ENDED Iraq - and what about Yemen?!? This president has gotten the most sweeping, historic progressive-minded pieces of legislation passed than any president since FDR, prevented a Depression and has created 1.2 million jobs since January and saved the auto industry, and allowed my daughter to get health insurance.

START BEING GRATEFUL.

AND GROW UP.
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Turtlenews
05:22 PM on 12/10/2010
Stop spreading False Information! You must be a Republican
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tc399
Your personal Eschatologist.
04:15 PM on 12/10/2010
Gibbs, you are a bigger sissy than Obama.