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Obama Tax Cut Deal More Expensive Than Stimulus: CBO

Obama Tax Cut Deal

AP/The Huffington Post   STEPHEN OHLEMACHER First Posted: 12/10/10 08:59 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is predicting congressional approval of the tax-cutting compromise he has reached with Republican leaders, but he's not ruling out that unhappy Democrats will make some changes in the mammoth legislation.

In an interview with NPR released Friday, Obama said that despite a rebellion by many Democrats against his tax deal, it will pass because "nobody – Democrat or Republican – wants to see people's paychecks smaller on Jan. 1 because Congress didn't act."

The pact would extend cuts in income tax rates for all earners that would otherwise expire next month, renew long-term jobless benefits and trim Social Security taxes for one year.

The Wall Street Journal reports that an estimate from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office pegs the cost of the tax cut deal at $858 billion, a figure that would make the deal more expensive than the 2009 stimulus, which cost $787 billion.

Democrats have objected that it is too generous to the rich, especially its provisions cutting estate taxes for the wealthiest Americans. House Democrats voted in a closed-door meeting Thursday not to allow the package to reach the floor for a vote without changes to scale back tax relief for the rich.

Asked about those objections, Obama said there will be talks between House and Senate leaders about the package's final details.

"Keep in mind, we didn't actually write a bill," he said of his agreement with GOP leaders. "We put forward a framework. I'm confident that the framework is going to look like the one that we put forward."

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., one of the House's highest-profile conservatives, said that Democratic discontent highlights the difference between the two parties.

"The compromise that was forged wasn't rich enough for Speaker Pelosi and the Democrats," Bachmann said on NBC's "Today" show, referring to Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "They want the taxes up even higher. And that's really where the line of demarcation is in this discussion."

Speaking separately, Tim Kaine, chairman of the Democratic Party, said Democrats objecting to Obama's tax deal may be showing voters in their districts that they have "some spine" and predicted that the two-year extension of the lowered income tax rates would eventually help Democrats.

"By extending it two years, and I think this is going to happen, you're putting the debate about tax cuts for the wealthiest right in the heart of the presidential election. I think the president feels very confident he can make the case," Kaine said on CBS' "Early Show."

The measure appears headed for Senate approval after negotiators added a few sweeteners to promote ethanol and other forms of alternative energy.

Tax provisions designed to increase production of hybrid automobiles, biodiesel fuel, energy-efficient homes, coal and energy-efficient household appliances would be extended through the end of 2011.

There is no precise timetable for passage in the Senate, but a test vote was set for Monday afternoon that appears likely to demonstrate overwhelming support for the legislation. Supporters say it would help accelerate a sluggish recovery from recession.

"This bill is not perfect, but it provides the economic boost middle-class families and small businesses in Nevada and across America need," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "Middle-class families and small businesses will see their taxes go down."

At the insistence of Republicans, the measure includes a more generous estate tax provision. That infuriated Democrats already unhappy with Obama for agreeing to extend tax cuts at incomes of more than $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples.

In all, the package would cost about $855 billion, according to a preliminary congressional estimate.

"If we pass this agreement as written, it says we are going to continue the Bush policy of trickle down economics for at least two more years, and in my mind, that is absurd," said Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent.

Vice President Joe Biden has told Democrats in closed-door meetings this week that they are free to oppose the agreement but it might unravel if they do.

"If it's take it or leave it, we'll leave it," said Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas, after a closed-door meeting in which rank-and-file Democrats chanted, "Just say no."

Despite significant criticism from fellow Democrats, Obama has said the sweeping measure is necessary to help the struggling economy recover from the worst recession in decades.

Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell has said he expects most Senate Republicans to support the tax bill. Prominent House Republicans back it, too.

Among the energy tax provisions added was an extension through 2011 for the current 45-cent per gallon subsidy for ethanol, at a cost to the Treasury estimated at nearly $5 billion. The issue is of particular interest to lawmakers from Midwestern states with grain crops.

"While this legislation is not as long as we had hoped, it is a commonsense approach that will ensure American ethanol production continues to evolve and new technologies commercialized," said Bob Dinneen, president of the Renewable Fuels Association.

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is predicting congressional approval of the tax-cutting compromise he has reached with Republican leaders, but he's not ruling out that unhappy Democrats will...
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is predicting congressional approval of the tax-cutting compromise he has reached with Republican leaders, but he's not ruling out that unhappy Democrats will...
 
 
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10:21 PM on 12/13/2010
I never understood a tax on wages or property taxes, to my logic that's theft. Why can't we have a straight forward "consumption" tax. You want it, you pay for it. That right there would fix the country in a hurry. A consumption tax of 25% would be enough to fund universal health care as well. As a consumer society we surely can absorb more cost attached to our need to consume. You guys keep on sweating over a broken system istead of coming up with solutions to fix it...if you keep on thinking that the "right' type of president will fix an inherently broken and corrupted system all of you here are insane.
RoofinReality
In the middle, trending fast away from the radical
09:03 AM on 12/17/2010
#1 - Not nearly as much would be consumed.
#2 - It's regressive in that it disproportionally penalizes those who are poor.
#3 - Less revenues means less gov't services - Defense, EPA, FDA, etc.

Try again.
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Steelsil
Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!
01:42 AM on 12/12/2010
The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty.
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09:54 PM on 12/11/2010
It seems as if Obama made this deal without talking to one Democratic senator. What the hell is wrong with him?
09:02 AM on 12/17/2010
Obama who?
08:13 PM on 12/11/2010
LMAO @ the GOP agreeing to vote for a second stimulus! Are they really that desperate for their measly $200 billion millionaire tax cuts? If they were smart, they would've told the President, "No deal!," and let everybody's taxes go up next year AND allow unemployment benefits to expire. The media would've let them off the hook and blamed Obama for that anyway. Republicans are so stupid.
RoofinReality
In the middle, trending fast away from the radical
09:14 AM on 12/17/2010
I tend to agree.
However, Obama would've then come right back and asked for tax cuts for just the middle class and then they'd look foolish for asking for tax cuts for the wealthy, especially when those tax cuts weren't going to be paid for.
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1murillo
Can't be neutral on a moving train - Zinn
06:58 PM on 12/11/2010
If everything under the sun is added to this bill the GOP will be forced to vote along with Obama and other Democrats on a major piece of legislation. So much for the anti-Obama rhetoric; perfect example for the incoming Republicans.
If the plan is voted down, there will at least be the precedent of the GOP working with Obama. The strength of the Republcans' unity will be shown as weaker than advertised. This during the incoming infusion of Republican officeholders.
05:20 PM on 12/11/2010
A simple minded question needs to be answered by someone: how is this to be paid for?
RoofinReality
In the middle, trending fast away from the radical
09:15 AM on 12/17/2010
It ain't. But then show me when Republicans have EVER run a budget surplus or even came in close to being even.
Clinton did it.
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Fattonecat
whoops !!
03:16 PM on 12/11/2010
The Teabagger signs were right on the money.
10:24 AM on 12/11/2010
"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over government­s by controllin­g money and it's issuance."
-James Madison

“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucrac­y. It denounces as public enemies all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe.”
-Abraham Lincoln

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt
12:45 PM on 12/11/2010
And one more from our greatest President:
FDR: "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob"
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youknowwhat
Conservatism is socialism for the rich and wealthy
04:00 PM on 12/11/2010
Those are very profound quotes. The one by Lincoln really hits it.
ladyearth
Give birth to your dancing star
10:19 AM on 12/11/2010
What deal has been cut with the Chinese, since the money for us taxpayers to give these millionaires and billionaires will be borrowed from China? the fuss with letting a;; tax cuts expire? Put this right in the Republicans' lap. After all, could not any provision be retroactive? The Republicans would rather pay China than provide Social Security for Americans down the road. Remember this.
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jmpurser
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09:41 AM on 12/11/2010
If he's right then this is one MORE reason to never vote for a Democrat. Find and support a third party. America doesn't need TWO corporatist parties competing to see who can make the rich the richest. We need a party that represents the working class, the environment, the anti-war movement, education, and the future of America.
08:09 AM on 12/11/2010
DO WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE REPUBLICANS WILL KEEP THEIR END OF THIS ROTTEN BARGAIN ???
08:53 AM on 12/11/2010
Do we really believe Obama will grow a spine in 2 years?
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09:19 PM on 12/12/2010
My prediction is that come next year, the Republicans will deny they even made a deal with Obama and that all the tax cuts were done on his initiative and voted through by the Democrats. They will refuse to claim any responsibility for the so-called deal. They will be the Obama tax cuts - not the Bush tax cuts from now on.
08:07 AM on 12/11/2010
So why don't they "WRITE THE BILL" and put it forward as a Bill that Obama and the country needs.
Why is it passed to someone else? Why doesn't Obama put his stamp on it and follow through with his campaign promises as a "BILL I WANT" ???

Already it had extras attached to it - it should be a 'stand alone' Bill and the rich should pay their share. They won't even feel the pinch!

This is the very worst capitulation.
craig asia
Not part of upper-most 2%...yet!
06:52 AM on 12/11/2010
What in the heck is President Obama thinking? There should be an investigation into whether he has been compromised!
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andiannj
07:00 AM on 12/11/2010
F&F! Seriously, do they have something on him or was the fix in from the beginning?
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andiannj
05:48 AM on 12/11/2010
Who wants to bet that Rand Paul filibusters the UE extension and they're only able to pass the cuts for the greedy 2% , :ahem: the payroll tax cut, and the estate tax? Any takers?
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rambot02
A modest proposal...
10:15 AM on 12/11/2010
Rand Paul isn't in the Senate yet so yes, I'll take that bet through the end of this session.
barrada nicto
Optimism is necessary.
03:12 AM on 12/11/2010
If Republicans manage to give billions to the rich and bankrupt government. They can then force the destruction (and robbery) of Social Security and many other social programs. Then raise taxes some to re-fund government, and finally be free of those hated Democratic programs.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.
09:21 AM on 12/11/2010
I wish I knew more about what happens when a country goes bankrupt.

We may as well get ready for it, as Obama leads us to financial bankruptcy.
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TexasTreader
Fluffy, the yard dog
09:31 AM on 12/11/2010
I don't know what's so hard for politicians and partisans to understand. Either money has no value or we can't spend more than we have. The very same thing that caused the housing bubble to burst will collapse the rest of our economy: putting to much faith in credit. Personally, I think we've passed the tipping point because the interest is growing faster than we can create public policies to reduce spending.