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First Posted: 12/10/10 07:34 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Immigration advocates won a victory on Thursday when a federal judge ruled that government officials must reveal the decision-making process behind a controversial fingerprint-sharing program that critics say hurts the undocumented.

Judge Shira Scheindlin of the Southern District of New York ordered Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to turn over documents that were requested in February by the Center for Constitutional Rights and Cardozo Law School on behalf of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. The documents could help answer lingering questions as to whether the Obama administration had overreached in its efforts to force counties to participate in the so-called "Secure Communities" fingerprinting program, which was created in March 2008.

Critics of the program say the ruling could help them determine whether -- and perhaps stop altogether -- ICE is implementing it nationwide. The Obama administration has planned to nationalize the program by 2013. More than 680 jurisdictions in 33 states already participate in the program, but whether or not they currently have the capacity to opt out is the subject of considerable debate in the immigration-rights community.

Several counties voted to opt out of the program, which ICE officials had originally said was a possibility. Then things changed: ICE officials said the program is mandatory and fingerprint sharing will happen in states that have agreed to the program, whether officials like it or not.

"We can't go based off of these statements that have a pattern of inconsistency and are misleading," said Sarahi Uribe, a coordinator for Uncover The Truth, a coalition for groups opposing Secure Communities. "That's why we need the full record."

ICE officials tout the program as a a major enforcement success, and in terms of sheer numbers, it is. As of August, more than 47,000 illegal immigrants had been removed under the program.

When police take fingerprints of those they arrest, the prints typically go to the state, which runs them through FBI databases to determine whether the arrested person has a criminal background. Under Secure Communities, the fingerprints also go through ICE databases, allowing the agency to net a larger number of illegal immigrants.

But critics of Secure Communities say the program catches too many non-criminal illegal immigrants and could hurt overall public safety by encouraging the undocumented population to avoid police at any cost -- even in domestic-violence cases, for example.

One-quarter of the undocumented immigrants deported under the Secure Communities program had no criminal records, according to the August report.

By late September, officials in Arlington, Va., San Francisco and Santa Clara, Calif. had voted to opt out of the program, following a process laid out in a Sept. 7 letter from Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.).

About a week later, Napolitano said removal from the program was impossible. "We don't consider Secure Communities an opt-in, opt-out program," Napolitano said in October.

Confusion over Secure Communities' removal process -- if it exists at all -- led Uncover The Truth to file a suit demanding ICE turn over documents after a long delay.

ICE officials did not return requests for comment, but have previously said jurisdictions in states that have agreed to the program are required to hand over fingerprints to the immigration agency. Counties can opt out of receiving information back from ICE about the result of the fingerprint checks, ICE officials say.

Immigration advocates were not convinced.

"They misrepresented the opt-out process," Uribe said. "ICE knows that isn't opting out."

After the judicial order, ICE must turn over documents related to Secure Communities and opting out by Jan. 17, 2011. Other documents requested by the coalition must be turned over by Feb. 25.

"The defense agreed to do this back in July and here we are in December," Judge Scheindlin said. "I think the government is dragging its feet. This is serious."

Sunita Patel, a lawyer for the Center for Constitutional Rights who represented the coalition, said she hopes the groups can find a solution in the documents that would allow jurisdictions to turn fingerprints over to the FBI for background checks but prevent them from going to ICE.

"Finally, the public and advocates who have been trying to influence the implementation of Secure Communities will have the information they need to craft appropriate policies and prevent the spread of the unfair policy," she said.

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ViktorN 03:12 AM on 12/11/2010
"But critics of Secure Communities say the program catches too many non-criminal illegal immigrants and could hurt overall public safety by encouraging the undocumented population to avoid police at any cost -- even in domestic-violence cases, for example."

No. This is absolutely the wrong way to go about enforcing immigration laws, working to get as many illegals to leave and to discourage illegals  Read More...
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maxwelldog
even if i don't go anywhere, I'll still be late.
06:21 PM on 12/12/2010
Here.
This is something for all those who are so intolerant of immigrants, legal or otherwise.
Two questions...
Why do we hate bin laden?
05:24 AM on 12/13/2010
Uhh, that's only one question, Max. Bin Laden has become an enemy of the US for openly admitting to terrorist activities.
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maxwelldog
even if i don't go anywhere, I'll still be late.
12:07 PM on 12/13/2010
oops...
OK, and now WHY did he pull off that horrific stunt?
Specifically...no big rambling message.
One word should do it.
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Cleverboots
02:18 PM on 12/12/2010
Entering personal data into any database carries with it the risk of that data being mis-handled or mis-used. It really doesn't matter how well crafted the plans to protect the confidentiality of the information are. There is always a risk,especially if there is financial profit is involved.
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Madbunny
Prison Guard - FireFighter - now a School Teacher
02:36 AM on 12/12/2010
"But critics of Secure Communities say the program catches too many non-criminal illegal immigrants"

Unless they're in the process of seeking asylum this phrase makes no sense.
It's like saying "but critics of alarm systems say that the program highlights too many non-criminal trespassers".
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GoldStarMom
Reading is Fundamentalism ... in Texas.
09:10 AM on 12/12/2010
The fact that they ARE illegal immigrants would negate the non-criminal claim, IMHO. I also find it strange that the "Center for Constitutional Rights" would serve as advocates for illegals who HAVE no Constitutional rights.
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Madbunny
Prison Guard - FireFighter - now a School Teacher
04:28 PM on 12/12/2010
True, it's odd. It should be a 'human rights' thing, rather than a constitutional rights thing. I suppose that it *is* important that law enforcement still use constitutionally appropriate methodology though. Basically, the question is: would this be a legal methodology to use on US citizens? It has to be, otherwise the likelihood of applying it to citizens is high.

We can't just toss it all out the window whenever it's inconvenient.
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SWalkerTTU
10:32 AM on 12/23/2010
Except in Arizona (AFAIK), being here illegally is not a crime. Under federal law, it's more of a civil violation. This may have something to do with deportation/exile being considered unconstitutional as a punishment for a criminal act. If it hasn't been found so, it certainly would be found so under challenge because we never have used deportation/exile/ transportation as such a punishment. Also, as people who WE claim are under our jurisdiction (via the territoriality principle) illegal immigrants are under our laws, including the Constitution, so they do have certain constitutional rights, like due process in administrative and civil actions...which is yet another argument for illegal immigration not being a criminal act (and remaining that way) -- if it were criminalized, they would have EVEN MORE protections under the Constitution. Remember, the Bill of Rights is a set of restrictions on the actions of the government at all levels, and as such defines what the federal and state governments cannot do to anybody, immigration status notwithstanding.
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Nel Pineda
10:06 PM on 12/11/2010
Your car is japanese, ur pizza is italian, ur beer is german, ur wine is spanish, ur democracy is greek, ur coffee is brazilian, ur tea is chinese, ur watch is swiss, ur fashion is french, ur shirt is indian, ur shoes is thai, ur TV is korean, ur vodka is russian & then u complain that ur worker is an immigrant?
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
10:53 PM on 12/11/2010
"ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT"
12:45 AM on 12/12/2010
They have trouble distingushing between legal and illegal.
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Nel Pineda
02:07 PM on 12/12/2010
Hypocritical- do you know what hands pick you veggies to keep prices on your budget. Your own state hires them "SCARY illegals" for construction work. Hate doesn't make you think better.
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Nel Pineda
10:00 PM on 12/11/2010
here we treat Non-white foreigners like pigs. we dispose them the way we like. We are lucky when we go abroad a be treated very kindly. Someday, I am afraid will be the day of reckoning.
05:30 PM on 12/12/2010
Funny how so many come willingly then, isn't it.
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SWalkerTTU
10:35 AM on 12/23/2010
Sometimes the need to put food in your belly outweighs the millstone of humiliation (apologies to Fox Mulder).
09:38 PM on 12/11/2010
I find it interesting that those who support illegal immigration refer to them as undocumented workers. This article states that critics feel "the program catches too many non-criminal illegal immigrants". This is a contradiction of terms! To be an illegal immigrant is a crime.
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SWalkerTTU
10:36 AM on 12/23/2010
Not under federal law, it isn't.
06:05 PM on 12/11/2010
Soule23 11 minutes ago (5:50 PM)
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When your neighbors are rounded up by ICE at home in their PJ's; when your neighbors kids are rap.ed and exe.cuted by the cartels post-depor­tation; when you start getting hate-mail for publicly trying to stand up to the system on their behalf, then you'll know where I'm coming from.
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Perhaps you could post some kind of verification of these injustices having happened?
04:14 PM on 12/11/2010
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
05:09 PM on 12/11/2010
A truly inspirational sonnet!

...now just like generations of newcomers before you, get in line and follow the prescribed pathway to citizenship. Learn our heritage, our culture, and our language.

Welcome, friend! :)
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Picosa
dedicated to FACTS & TRUTH
05:59 PM on 12/11/2010
What Part of Legal Immigration Don’t You Understand?

Opponents of illegal immigration are
fond of telling foreigners to “get in lineâ€
before coming to work in America. But
what does that line actually look like,
and how many years (or decades) does
it take to get through? Try it yourself!

http://reason.org/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf
02:04 PM on 12/11/2010
I believe that immigration is good for a country, but I also believe that illegal immigrants make it harder for those that emigrated legally. I'm assuming that many illegals are either working for companies that turn a blind eye to their status or they are working using someone else's ID. Identity theft is considered a crime or allowing somebody to use your IDs to obtain credit, rent property, etc. is a crime. If anybody uses illegally obtained IDs to remain in the country and/or are working in a state using the IDs of a deceased person or somebody from another state, then they should be charged and deported just as the businesses hiring illegals should be fined heavily, publish the violation in the paper and/or have their business licenses suspended for a period of time. Can't the IRS also be a check and balance and run reports cross-referencing taxes filed against the multitude of databases housing information on American citizen and then investigate all discrepancies. I had my IDs stolen in the 80s. When I filed taxes, I received an amended assessment indicating I had earned an additional $25,000 that year. I contacted Revenue Canada; they had a tax slip for me from Alberta (west coast) even though I had been working full-time in Nova Scotia (east coast), I somehow also had a full-time job in Alberta (out west). They reverted back to what I had filed and said they would investigate the Alberta income.
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atl50
I need a day off
01:46 PM on 12/11/2010
A steel chair under a hot lamp use to do the same thing.
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
01:21 PM on 12/11/2010
To keep my residency I have to supply regular proof that I am solvent and won't be a drain on the citizens, show that I am not wanted in my host country or the US, show that I am healthy, and have a justified reason to continue receiving a residency permit.

When I pharted around and didn't give them the proper docs on time to renew, the passport enforcement people found me two days after my visa expired

But that's a 2nd world country, not the USA. For the states you just waltz in and smile.
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John Heckers
Think of it as evolution in action!
01:08 PM on 12/11/2010
Support for immigrants who may have a positive effect on the economy does NOT mean support for illegals. The place to debate immigration is in Congress, not at the borders of our country. The reality is that we, as a nation, cannot continue to accept borders that are not enforced. We cannot help everyone in the world....we just don't have the resources. Regardless, illegal immigrants are here illegally. They have started their residency here by breaking the law. While humanitarian issues, such as not separating nuclear families or spouses, or deporting kids who have been here their whole lives must be taken into account, these are a tiny minority of the whole illegal immigration issue. The DREAM act should be passed to deal with some of this, and the courts should operate with compassion. But the vast majority of illegals MUST be deported and deported now. Our nation simply cannot afford to have them here.
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
01:16 PM on 12/11/2010
Agree with you on all except deportation. That's impossible considering the numbers. What we must have is responsible immigration reform and active enforcement of the laws now and after reform
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azlegalcitizen
INDEPENDENT
03:11 AM on 12/12/2010
Self deportation!!!!!!. a compass pointing south , a bottle of water and a map. after they have been fired by their greedy american employer will take care of millions of them.
01:30 PM on 12/11/2010
Our national apparently can't afford not to have them here given how essential they have become to the food processing industry. You simply cannot have the abundance of choice in food and quantity without this or some other form of immigrant labor. Talk to the big agriprocessors about their margins and labor. It has been this way for centuries, food producers have always exploited a class of people to produce vast quantities of food or farm-based products. So, yes, pass the Dream Act, and pass AgriJobs, and make people living in terrible conditions on our farms legal in some way with rights. Stop trying to square this labor equation on the backs of the poorest and least educated player in this vicious cycle.
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Viper1st
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02:17 PM on 12/11/2010
I assert that mandatory E-verify by all employers will cause an 80% voluntary self-migration of illegals back to their homelands within a 3 year period

Secure communities program will deport another 12% of the illegals

8% balance will have to be forcibily deported
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hrpmap
Retired man still active..
06:34 PM on 12/11/2010
This food industry thing is bogus. Illegals are in every industry and trade. 14 to 20 million here and they all work in the food industry, really, you beleive that?
12:20 PM on 12/11/2010
"non-criminal illegal immigrants" .....

there is no such thing as a non-criminal illegal

Illegal is illegal, that alone is a crime.
01:31 PM on 12/11/2010
Actually, it's a violation of federal civil code, not a criminal act with no subsequent prison or jail time attached.
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01:58 PM on 12/11/2010
Jet, "they" cannot understand distinctions between unlawful and criminal.

I grow weary of explaining it. It's also typical of the mental capabilities of conservatives as studied by cognitive scientists. They have less capacity to manage cognitive dissonance.

Anyway. Be safe.
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GlennWatson
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02:18 PM on 12/11/2010
The U.S. Code list both criminal and civil penalties for illegal entry. The first offense is punishable for up to six months imprisonme­nt
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Picosa
dedicated to FACTS & TRUTH
06:35 PM on 12/11/2010
No person can be illegal. It is their status while being present that is illegal and unlawful presence in the U.S. is not a crime. It is an administrative issue.

Although an alien who unlawfully enters the United States is potentially subject to
removal and criminal prosecution, an alien found unlawfully present in the U.S. is
typically subject only to removal. Unlawful presence is only a criminal offense when an
alien is found in the United States after having been formally removed or after departing
the U.S. while a removal order was outstanding.3

http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/library/P585.pdf
09:27 PM on 12/11/2010
telling a lie on the I-9 form is a crime......driving a car without a license is illegal.....using a social security number that is not yours is illegal
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azlegalcitizen
INDEPENDENT
03:23 AM on 12/12/2010
look up http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325 and you too will find out wrong you are. Jail and fines for illegal entry into the usa.
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lqw
Justmyopinion
11:49 AM on 12/11/2010
When I came to the US legally I was required to be fingerprinted and go through an FBI bacKground check.
When I became a citizen I went through the same process. Why shouldn't criminals be fingerprinted ?
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Soule23
Anti-micro-biol
11:54 AM on 12/11/2010
You could try to walk a mile in their shoes, but I somehow doubt that you'd have to worry about being accused of "wearing the wrong shoes" in Arizona.
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lqw
Justmyopinion
11:57 AM on 12/11/2010
Walk in their shoes ? Break the law . No thanks.
12:24 PM on 12/11/2010
You first.... illegally enter Mexico or Canada and then go to their government and demand that you have right to live there regardless of any of there laws.

Please do let us all know how that works out for you.
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Mik McAllister
05:59 PM on 12/11/2010
When my ancestors came to the US, they were not required to have a visa first.
They were not required do anything other than work for a living.
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cigi
10:31 PM on 12/11/2010
Times change Mik and so have the laws, many times over on this subject of immigration. I have no gripe with those who want to come here and follow the current laws in place. I also want business to follow the law. In the last 50 years, we have killed the trades in this country....plumbers, electricians, construction...with some negative consequences. Try building a house in Texas (we have built 2) and you will see what I mean. It is not pretty and the wages for the trades have been drivine down to very low places. My family had it share of immigrants but Western Euorpeans which were a huge number of the folks 100 years ago, were very different. They did assimilate, learn the language, and try to get their kids educated to do the same. I see "some" who come here and want to extend their culture and not join our's in some cases. I also have a problem when undocumented folks demanding rights of my home country, waving the flag of their home country. Just doesn't do anything as far as messaging goes. It is a complex problem and the pols are all playing games with it, so don't know that there is a coherent policy coming from those bozos in the near future. I just don't want to see undocumented terrorized and become the victims of hate crimes because of our inability at this tme to get our heads togehter on this.
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Soule23
Anti-micro-biol
11:38 AM on 12/11/2010
rubbercow 3 minutes ago (11:31 AM)

You are wasting your breath with this one. Soule is about the worst tro// there is on these threads. It doesn't matter what you say. If you do not agree with him/her 100% you are a bi.got/ra.­­cist.
__________­__________­__________­__________­__________­__________­______

Once you strip away the specious nationalis­tic/soci.a­listic arguments, bigotr.y and rac.ism are about the only justificat­ions for mass deportatio­n. If not bigo.try and racis.m, what higher motivation drives the same people onto these threads to shrill about "ILLEGALS" and "them" day after day?
11:49 AM on 12/11/2010
I was not aware that the OP was "shrilling" about "ILLEGALS" or calling for mass deportations. You are the one who shrills day after day and never even attempt to have a rational conversation with anyone on these threads. Your posts are patently offensive and quite often factually incorrect. I think that you would find there are plenty of people out there who are quite liberal (I am a lifelong democratic voter) who do not march in lock-step with your perverted worldview. Do you feel that it is not bigoted behavior for you to instantly accuse people whom you know nothing about of being racist or assigning some other terribly offensive label to?
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Soule23
Anti-micro-biol
04:51 PM on 12/11/2010
Strip away the specious arguments, and what motivates folks like you to show up day after day to rail against "ILLEGALS" and "scabs"? It's hate, plain and simple. Bigotry is bipartisan.
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Soule23
Anti-micro-biol
05:31 PM on 12/11/2010
What motivates folks like you to show up day after day to rail against "ILLEGALS" and "scabs"? Answer the question directly, please.
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Picosa
dedicated to FACTS & TRUTH
12:59 PM on 12/11/2010
Correct!

The Roots Of Arizona’s Immigration Law

http://belowthebeltway.com/2010/04/27/the-roots-of-arizonas-immigration-law/

quote:
The contemporary anti-immigrant movement in the U.S. is first and foremost grounded in and driven by white nationalism—the ideology that claims the U.S. is a nation crafted by, for, and of whites—and the inherent bigotry and racism of that ideology. The strategic use of economic downturns, job losses, and competition for public resources to build a restrictionist base aimed at curtailing immigration are but weapons used by that movement to advance its goal of maintaining white control, white dominance, and white political power as demographic change moves the nation toward minority white status by mid-century.

http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2009/04/22/it%E2%80%99s-not-the-economy-bigotry-and-racism-drive-the-anti-immigrant-movement/
01:19 PM on 12/11/2010
I hope you are joking by citing that.