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DADT Repeal Could Come Down To Obama-McCain Proxy Battle

First Posted: 12/14/10 03:29 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

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WASHINGTON -- The decision by congressional Democrats to put forward a standalone repeal of the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers may pit President Barack Obama against Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in a reprise of the 2008 presidential election rooted in procedural tactics and influence peddling.

On Tuesday, House lawmakers breathed life into a legislative vehicle pronounced dead on several occasions, announcing that they intended to split off a repeal of the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy from a larger defense authorization bill and pass the standalone bill along to the Senate. Where it goes from there will likely depend largely on which party and player applies the most pressure.

"I'd be surprised if it doesn't get out of the House. I never know what's going to happen over it the Senate," said Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) in an interview on MSNBC. "Things have died over there that I thought ought to have passed, so I don't know, but it will get out of the House today."

In the Senate, there are currently myriad scenarios under which a standalone repeal could either pass or fail. But several sources -- both Republican and Democrat, on the Hill and off -- conveyed the sense that the bill's fate rests on two main questions: Whether McCain, who has spearheaded the opposition to repeal, will be able to delay or torpedo the measure through amendments, and whether Obama will dive into the trenches to help Senate Democratic leadership corral the votes for passage.

"I think we have a strong chance to change that policy before the end of the year," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Tuesday in a show of support for standalone repeal.

By virtue of procedural maneuvering, Senate Democrats may not need 60 votes to bring a DADT repeal standalone to the floor. The version passed by the House is known as a "message," which in turn is treated as a privileged matter by the Senate. That means lawmakers in the upper chamber can simply adopt it on their own convenience, though they will have a window for debate -- likely 30 hours -- and they will need to overcome a filibuster to end that debate and pass it into law.

A Republican Senate aide, however, disputed the idea that cloture would not be needed to start debate.

In a wide range of interviews with individuals working on Senate strategy, the path forward has begun to emerge. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will push to bring the bill to the floor sometime early next week, a Senate leadership aide said, ideally with legislation on tax cuts and the budget complete. Reid may have to fill the tree with amendments -- thereby setting in stone how the debate process plays out. But if he does this without accommodating Republican requests, it could give senators the cover they need to oppose the measure on procedural grounds.

More likely, Reid will grant the GOP a chance to air its proposed amendments and hope that they lack the support to stick. If one does pass, the bill would have to be sent back to the House, prolonging the repeal process or even threatening it, depending on the changes.

"Is it an ambitious strategy, yes," said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army veteran who serves as executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. "But it is a viable option, a realistic one."

If amendments are offered, Sarvis predicted that they would come from McCain. One would likely be a measure to effectively strike DADT repeal from consideration, as well as an amendment to expand the certification process for the law's repeal beyond the president, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen.

McCain, Sarvis said, "has indicated that there should be additional surveys and studies. We expect him to introduce these or any so-called apple pie amendments, all of them with design to stop the process in his tracks."

An email to a McCain spokesman asking which, if any, amendments the Senator might introduce was not returned. When The Huffington Post approached McCain on Tuesday to ask how he would vote on a standalone repeal bill, he replied, "It hasn't come up yet. I don't deal in hypotheticals."

Not all DADT repeal advocates view the Arizona Republican as a make-or-break player in the forthcoming debate. One high-ranking official at a pro-repeal organization called the McCain "yesterday's news."

"Don't get me wrong, he is still an opponent that should not be underestimated," the official added. "But, really, the game right now is to get this to the floor for consideration."

With respect to that task, the burden rests with Obama and, more largely, on Reid. The majority leader outlines the chamber's schedule and can control the bill's consideration relative to other priorities. However, a Democratic aide warned, Republicans have threatened to read all 1,924 pages of the Senate's omnibus-spending bill on the floor in an effort to run out the clock on other legislation. At that point, Reid's best and likeliest recourse would be to keep the Senate in session through the legislature's Christmas vacation.

Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.) told MSNBC Tuesday that Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) claimed to have the 60 votes needed for passage. That seems dependent on keeping the Republican swing votes in the fold. And herein rests the President's role, aides and activists said.

If DADT repeal is to pass, Democrats will likely, but not necessarily, need three GOPers to cross party lines. Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) appears to be a clear yes, having voted for a defense authorization bill carrying DADT repeal as well as cosponsoring Lieberman's standalone bill. Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), and Scott Brown (R-Mass.) are the other obvious targets. Pressure from the White House would go some way toward getting those members' support. But the president's influence may be felt much more directly inside his own party.

Only one Democratic senator, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, cast a vote last week against the defense authorization bill that carried "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" repeal. And while Hill aides are convinced that Manchin won't change his mind with respect to the policy, one Democrat close to the senator said it remains a possibility.

"I think the only one who could make the difference in this is the White House ... this is not a Senate game," the Democrat said. "This is really the dynamics and the strategy coming out of the White House ... and right now they are not out there lobbying this hard."

Elise Foley contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON -- The decision by congressional Democrats to put forward a standalone repeal of the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers may pit President Barack Obama against Sen. John McCain (R-A...
WASHINGTON -- The decision by congressional Democrats to put forward a standalone repeal of the military's ban on openly gay servicemembers may pit President Barack Obama against Sen. John McCain (R-A...
 
 
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05:22 PM on 12/18/2010
Obama wins 65 to 33.
05:25 PM on 12/17/2010
Don't Ask McCain and Don't tell him when or where the vote will take place.
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MACDONALDBANK1
06:46 PM on 12/15/2010
Respect should be shown to the brave gay soldiers who are defending the United States with dignity and honor!

A special compliment to the discharged soldiers ... they are the finest soldiers indeed ... in a battle and a war much greater than they will ever know!
A gay pilot may have saved the lives of nine U.S. soldiers recently killed.

The evil writings in Leviticus 20:13; which exists in the old testament & torah … were written long after Moses -- 600BC -- regarding “priestly rules” … expanded by the pope; homophobes and religious frauds … to attack the gay community and never meant to apply to the public -- but to priests.

How would you like it … if hate speech was directed to your brother or sister as you sat in the pew; spewed by some better than thou religious lunatic with a hateful black book about Leviticus -- under his arm?

The pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 20:13 applies only to priests; refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids bullied into suicide …! Being black or left-handed or being gay is just as natural.
If the black community or women had it written that they should be put to death; how would they like that?
Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community.
05:13 PM on 12/15/2010
I don't want Congress to repeal DADT and give the military the chance to organize it in a rational way.

I want the courts to ram it down John McCain's throat: Here one day, gone the next.

That is the only way to deal with the likes of Joe Wilson, John McCain, Jim Demint and the others, slap 'em up side the head with the consequences of their actions.
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liberal123
03:40 PM on 12/15/2010
It is time for McCain to lay down and take his dirt nap.
dgoose50
Proud Socialist
04:34 PM on 12/15/2010
Reminds me of night of the living dead and JM would be the flesh eating zombie....Fan
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halfpricefaustian
Voted for Obama. Waiting for Godot.
02:30 PM on 12/15/2010
Oh, no. If it really depends on Obama fighting to get it passed, then all is lost.
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bbbbmer
An homage to Dorothy Parker...
11:50 AM on 12/15/2010
Dan Choi is a GREAT American. God bless him...
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Mariosright
11:34 AM on 12/15/2010
If I were still in the service, I would have no problem sharing space with a gay guy. For one thing, they are usually neater and better housekeepers than most of the straight guys I bunked with.
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vamonticello
11:27 AM on 12/15/2010
Everyday on every issue there is always the blame obama crowd. Enough already with the blame Obama.
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Mariosright
11:18 AM on 12/15/2010
McCain gave a passionate speech in the Senate yesterday about how the ethanol subsidies program was bad and should not be included in the bill and railed about how the public has spoken that they do not want this program.
In the very next sentence he said, "but I will vote for it".
WTF! He has really lost it.
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10:09 AM on 12/15/2010
BO, with his extensive military background, obviously has a better handle then McCain on this one...
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kkoie
10:20 AM on 12/15/2010
I don't think you need an extensive military background to know what hate and discrimination looks like. Personally, I don't know why the opposition is so against it, when change is inevitable. If it doesn't pass in congress, then it will be changed via the courts.
11:21 AM on 12/15/2010
Well, maybe you ought to ask the US government. And listen to what the AA man has to say at the end.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/HIV-PSA-Hard-to-Stomach-111900114.html
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TheRevV
My micro-bio is microbial.
02:56 PM on 12/15/2010
The PENTAGON, Petraeus,the military (69% support repeal) and Robert Gates, with their extensive military background, obviously has a better handle than McCain on this one!
coloradodreaming
proud to differ
09:27 AM on 12/15/2010
The losing GOP candidate for the Presidental race, the man who has done more flip flopping than any Senator in history, the man who accepted in 15 minutes the suggestion to have Palin be his running mate. This is what is leading the GOP in their stand against repeal of DADT. McCain has done more damage in the last two years than he ever did in his sometime checkered past in the Senate. Sad to think that candidate McCain was reelected to the Senate and not retired to an assisted living facility.
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Kansas1
09:22 AM on 12/15/2010
2010 McCain needs to have a serious talk with 2007 McCain who was asking for the repeal....well for votes obviously, as a Republican, he didn't mean it of course.
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booker52
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09:09 AM on 12/15/2010
McCain is showing his hate and wearing it proudly and yes stupidly.
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Theatrixnyc
Remember John Lennon:Power To The People!
02:38 PM on 12/15/2010
He just follows the dollar hanging from the end of the fishing pole, and reads what they put in front of him. It's all theatre now.
dgoose50
Proud Socialist
04:39 PM on 12/15/2010
Ever get on an elevator with an old person that smells of UR!NE?LOL
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boomer7391
Beliefs are the seeds of evil.
08:59 AM on 12/15/2010
Either DADT applies to everyone in the service or it is unconstitutional. Therefore, I fully support service wide implementation of DADT. Henceforth, no uniformed service man or woman is allowed to openly display or discuss their sexuality. That means, straight people, you may no longer talk about your families, your girlfriends, boyfriends, etc. You may not wear wedding rings, display photographs of anyone. You may not read playboy, hustler, playgirl, maxim or any other sexualized reading material.

Let's see how long that lasts.
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
09:48 AM on 12/15/2010
And base housing?
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boomer7391
Beliefs are the seeds of evil.
10:03 AM on 12/15/2010
what about it? it's don't ask don't tell, not don't ask, don't tell, don't have a roomate.
the law of this land is specific. you can't single folks out. period. so apply DADT to all or apply it to none.