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Would Senate Republicans Blow Up Tax Cut Deal To Defend Trust Funds?

First Posted: 12/14/10 04:59 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

John Kyl

Senate Republicans warned House Democrats not to amend the tax cut deal they struck with President Obama, with many saying they will oppose the final bill if the House makes its threatened changes to the estate tax provision. House Democrats plan to meet tonight to decide the way forward, with a faction pressing to call what they think is a Republican bluff.

Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), the Republican most closely associated with the estate-tax portion of the deal, wouldn't entertain the possibility that Democrats might amend the Senate bill.

"There is no change in the agreement. There will be no change in the agreement," Kyl told HuffPost in the Capitol. "I'm just telling you it isn't going to happen, so don't speculate about it."

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) remarked at the size of the Republican victory on the estate tax in negotiations with Obama. "We had the president--George W. Bush--we couldn't get it done then and we're getting it done here," he said.

If Congress does nothing, the rate in 2011 will be 55 percent and the first million dollars of inheritance would be exempt. The deal as it stands would exempt the first five million dollars of inheritance and charge a 35 percent rate on amounts above that. The Democratic proposal would lower the threshold to $3.5 million and hike the rate to 45 percent.

Would Senate Republicans blow up the entire tax-cut deal--including tax cuts for the wealthy--over a change of that size to the estate tax?

"They know that if they do this, we're going to be--this might not hold," Hatch warned the House.

Might not?

"I think it won't hold if they start playing around with the tax relief that's currently in the package," he clarified to HuffPost.

But Hatch said he's also concerned about what could happen if the deal blows up. "I do not want to go through another two years where we have a two percent hit on GDP. That could really put us spiraling into even a depression, and that's what the economists, what the CBO says," said Hatch.

Several Republicans cited the solid show of bipartisan support in the 83-15 vote Monday to move forward on the bill.

"It won 83-15 yesterday. It's a strong message to the House that there's bipartisan support for what passed in the Senate. They should not change it at all," said Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.).

What if they did?

"We'll have to see what happens, but they shouldn't change it at all," he said.

Sen. Bob Bennett (R-Utah) said he thought his colleagues would be willing to kill it, but that the blame would go to Democrats. "The package was very carefully put together, and any attempt to take a significant piece of it out is an attempt to kill it," he said.

The House Democratic plan "puts family farms and small businesses at risk. I wouldn't be inclined to do that," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

But would you vote against it?

"I mean, we got 85 votes. I think that speaks loudly and clearly about the package," Graham replied.

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) said that he thought Republicans would ultimately accept such an amendment by the House, but added--three separate times--that he had nothing to do with the deal. "You'd have to ask the Vice President and [Minority Leader Mitch] McConnell that question since they're the ones that put that deal together," he said.

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Senate Republicans warned House Democrats not to amend the tax cut deal they struck with President Obama, with many saying they will oppose the final bill if the House makes its threatened changes to ...
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05:52 PM on 12/15/2010
They should make Tommy Boy 2 where he has to save his family business again, but from the government instead of the evil capitalist.
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mdmccormick
I am tired of this BS
03:05 PM on 12/15/2010
Would Senate Republicans Blow Up Tax Cut Deal To Defend Trust Funds?

Wrong question. Republicans and Democrats only answer to the top 1% so you need to ask them, these guys just follow their orders.
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Vernie Taylor
02:01 PM on 12/15/2010
In 1980 the top 1% of population made about 12% of total US income, the bottom 80% made 48% of the total income. In 2010, the top 1% makes about 23% of total US income and the bottom 80% of the population has slipped to about 38%. While income has gone up for the top earners, their taxes have decreased, top tax rate was 50% in 1982 but is now 35%. The Bush tax cuts were created to off-set the projected Clinton surplus that never happened. The Bush tax cuts also had a dismal job creation record. Today corporate earnings and wall street bonuses are up ...even as we have shipped our middle-class jobs overseas. The growing disparity in wealth and the greater control of government by corporations, bankers and the very rich are the seeds of a new revolution. We need a new progressive tea party on the left, a party that will fight to level the playing field, redistribute wealth, socialize medicine, shrink the military, reform education as the highest priority, protect individual liberty and the rule of law, reward companies that create jobs and manufacture domestically, etc... where is this new movement because the democrats are not doing it.
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GreenKate
10:16 AM on 12/16/2010
F&F- great post!
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
12:32 PM on 12/15/2010
Conservatives will do everything they can to destroy America unless they are allowed to continue destroying America.
 
It really is that simple.
12:11 PM on 12/15/2010
OH I am sooo scared! Jon Kyl is threatening me! OOOOHHHH!
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kimbanyc
LIBERAL NY DEMOCRAT
12:00 PM on 12/15/2010
The answer to the question is NO. Republican'ts are born with a silver spoon mentality and that spoon is now embedded in their a$$e$
10:41 AM on 12/15/2010
moo'd erated repeat
"The package was very carefully put together" I love that one. The Republicans carefully put the package together to benefit themselves and Obama approved it.
10:17 AM on 12/15/2010
Just close the Damn Loopholes and base deductions and limitations on what the person making minimum wage can afford. Charge the same rate for capital gains as is charged on savings interest.
09:50 AM on 12/15/2010
Do you really think that they want to try to push this stinker through next year with the tea partiers screaming and yelling at them? Come on. Dems need to push up the estate tax to at least 50% after 4 mill exemption, get rid of 5 billion gravy for ethanol (which drives up virtually ALL food prices by raising corn prices) and reinstate "making work Pay" while getting rid of 2% cut in Social Sec. tax (to be funded from general revenue.) I bet the repugs would go for it, because they couldn't get better with the tea partiers (fox party) coming in. If they don't, then do what the repugs have been doing. Nothing! As soon as they take over the house on Jan 3 or 4th, start screaming that this is a REPUBLICAN tax increase. Blame them. Some unemployed will be hurt. Sorry, but people die in wartime. And make no bones about it, there is a war of the rich and connected, against the middle class of America occurring right now, and my side is losing. Lets make the Republicans show America what they STAND for, not just what they are AGAINST. My bet is that America isn't going to like it.
10:13 AM on 12/15/2010
They'v e got to get this crap though before the reformers arrive in Jan. 2011.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
09:25 AM on 12/15/2010
The estate tax next year, if nothing is done about it, is 55%; but THIS year it's ZERO. Even with the proposal for a 35% estate tax it's a huge tax increase.
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GreenKate
09:54 AM on 12/16/2010
Most ppl don't know how the Estate Tax works or why it exists. It is a very good tax, the only problem being it does not go far enough.
09:24 AM on 12/15/2010
I hope they vote the bill down then the new tea party will write a new bill in january without the help of the democrats and cut spending along with taxes.
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flyovermark
...Obamacare is tyranny...
09:30 AM on 12/15/2010
With a majority in the House, but not the Senate, Republicans WILL need the help of Democrats to get anything passed.

...don't cut you nose off to spite your face...
09:22 AM on 12/15/2010
What a silly question for an article headline!

Republican Senators would kill their grandmothers, if it would somehow make them richer or give them more power.

Most of the Demos would do the same, too...
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mgrant33301
09:11 AM on 12/15/2010
NOTE TO THE DEMOCRATES: amend the bill!
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cgeorgan
Proud American-Canadian Libertarian
09:10 AM on 12/15/2010
Go ahead, Dems:  It's an "OK" bill now, but it will be a much better bill with far less of your input come January.
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09:01 AM on 12/15/2010
Nice to know that progressiv­es feel that the government should tax you when you are alive, and then turn and tax you when you are d*ad. So the government has rights to your money to matter what. Wow, I guess that makes us money slaves to the government­.
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doctorkosan
PhD Chem E, HBS
09:11 AM on 12/15/2010
Yes taxes are how we pay for stuff like roads, defense, education, health care, ss, etc.
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09:11 AM on 12/15/2010
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