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Abbas Israel Talks Held In Rare Meeting

KARIN LAUB and MOHAMMED DARAGHMEH   12/19/10 03:15 PM ET   AP

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RAMALLAH, West Bank — Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas held a rare meeting Sunday with dozens of Israeli lawmakers, ex-generals and peace activists, urging them to tell the Israeli public that he opposes violence and is committed to reaching a peace deal.

The outreach, over a lunch of meat and rice at Abbas' West Bank headquarters, appeared aimed at generating domestic pressure on Israel's hardline prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, at a time when U.S.-led peace efforts seem hopelessly bogged down.

Many of the Israeli participants were veterans of two decades of failed peace efforts and exchanged hugs and greetings with their Palestinian counterparts. However, the visitors also included some from Israel's nationalist camp, including activists from Netanyahu's Likud Party, a confidant of the founder of the ultra-Orthodox Shas Party and several ultra-Orthodox journalists.

After the speeches, the Israelis excitedly crowded around Abbas to talk and have their pictures taken.

Binyamin Lipkin, editor of an ultra-Orthodox newspaper, said he felt Abbas was sincere and that he would deliver the president's message to his readers. "He is the last remaining partner for Israel," Lipkin said.

In recent months, Abbas has pushed to directly reach the Israeli public and has also met with Jewish American leaders. In the Israeli media, the Palestinian president is often portrayed as a well-meaning but weak leader who cannot deliver a peace deal.

In his remarks Sunday, Abbas reassured his audience that under his leadership, Palestinians remain committed to nonviolence and that he is sincere about reaching a peace agreement.

Netanyahu has urged Abbas to resume direct talks that broke down in September, but Abbas has said he cannot do so without a freeze in Israeli settlement building. Netanyahu has refused to do so, and the U.S. has not presented a way out of the deadlock that is acceptable to both sides.

The Palestinians want a state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem – territories Israel captured in 1967 – but have said they are willing to swap some land to enable Israel to keep some of its larger West Bank settlements.

Despite the difficulties, Abbas said his priorities have not changed.

"We are ready to conclude peace, to have our state in the 1967 borders," he said.

Abbas said the Palestinians have undergone a transformation since their uprising and Israel's harsh reprisals left thousands dead. "We changed the culture of terror and violence into a culture of peace and stability here in the West Bank in the last four years," he said.

"We do not want to miss this opportunity," he told the Israelis. "We don't want to miss it. Please help us not to miss it. I have eight grandchildren. I want a peaceful life for them."

Amram Mitzna, a former leader of Israel's Labor Party, said he believes Israeli public opinion has become more accepting of the idea of Palestinian statehood.

"The historic debate over what should be the agreement between us and the Palestinians is behind us," he said. "Therefore, this meeting is important. It gives hope, despite a difficult reality."

Still, Israelis remain deeply divided over a possible partition of Jerusalem and the extent of possible land concessions.

Also Sunday, the New York-based group Human Rights Watch said in a report that Israel systematically stifles the development of Palestinian communities in the West Bank and east Jerusalem while fostering the growth of Jewish settlements on those lands.

In a 166-page report, the group urged the U.S. to slash aid to Israel because of what it said are blatantly discriminatory practices.

Israel has built dozens of settlements in the West Bank and east Jerusalem over the past four decades to buttress its control there. The international community considers the settlements to be illegal.

Late Sunday, Netanyahu criticized what he called the "hypocrisy of human rights organizations that turn a blind eye to the most repressive regimes in the world ... and instead target the only liberal, democracy in the Middle East."

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09:43 AM on 12/21/2010
I'm glad to hear that Abbas is promoting peaceful coexistence with the Israelis to the Israelis. He should follow this up by promoting peaceful coexistence with the Israelis to the Palestinians. In Arabic. In Public.
03:21 PM on 12/21/2010
Happy to hear Netanhaha make the same speech.  In Hebrew.  and in Arabic.  In public.
11:21 AM on 12/22/2010
That would be a good idea if he hasn't done so already.
09:14 AM on 12/21/2010
Abbas called off his own election. He's an illegitimate puppet-like semi leader of some part of something. But, what's truly "purely Israeli" about this situation is that Israel won't even agree with their puppet or use their own puppet-opportunity.

Israel makes no sense and everyone knows it. They don't even know what they want from day to day. The only clarity, unfortunately for Israel, coming out of that area is from Israel's true enemies who are not allowed in the process. This clarity will become their biggest asset the longer Israel fiddles.
06:52 AM on 12/21/2010
I think the headline should be rephrased. It should read:

"Abbas Israel talks held in regular meetings rarely publicized"
10:08 PM on 12/20/2010
Ther is something wrong with this thread. I'm about to email HP about this.
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08:11 PM on 12/20/2010
"Netanyahu criticized what he called the "hypocrisy of human rights organizations that turn a blind eye to the most repressive regimes in the world ... and instead target the only liberal, democracy in the Middle East.""

It's good to hear Bibi stand up for Turkey like that, given the recent strain between the two countries.
07:14 PM on 12/20/2010
Why does no-one mention that current-day Jordan comprised approximately 75% of the British Mandate of Palestine, which was to be divided between the Jews and the Palestinians. Of the remaining 25%, Israel has de facto control of 78%, leaving the Palestinians 22%, or about 5% of the original mandate. This is woefully inequitable, since the Hashemites are vastly outnumbered by the actual Palestinians. To have any chance of success, and to bring a lasting peace to the whole area, the land east of the Jordan River should be brought into the equation, because, not only is it logical, but it would provide a sustainable area to house and support the millions of Palestinians who would settle in their country of Palestine.
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12:53 AM on 12/21/2010
sounds clever. however hashemites are also outnumbered by native jordanians.
700,000 Iraqis
227,000 Egyptians
1,951,603 Palestinians
6,198,677 total jordanian population.
Hashemites are not even really jordanians.
Your clever at weaving lies to sound like truth.
08:22 PM on 12/21/2010
Even accepting your doubtful numbers, you fail to mention that the Iraqis are refugees who will most probably return to their homeland when it settles down. And that the Egyptians are cheap, transient labor (you left out the Pakistanis, Filipinos, etc).
Your number for the Palestinians is that of the refugee population, and you do not take into account those of Palestinian origin who now call themselves Jordanians.
So, I am not weaving lies, I am stating the facts.
For your edification, go to : http://cdnedge.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/265093.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcL31YqZaQQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transjordan
12:59 AM on 12/21/2010
q> British Mandate of Palestine

NO one gives a flying rat's rear end about the British Mandate except for hasbarats who want to rewrite history only they find tough going because they haven't burned all the history books.

It's 2010.  Time to put your toy soldiers away.
08:33 PM on 12/21/2010
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Your language would do a hasbarat proud!
If you ignore history, you repeat mistakes instead of learning.
My opinions are not an attempt at rewriting history: referring to the British Mandate reveals the facts, but you obviously have your head in the sand.
You might wish to put away the toy soldiers, but I wish to eliminate the need for real soldiers who kill real people.

Broaden your vision by viewing the following:

http://cdnedge.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/265093.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcL31YqZaQQ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transjordan
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Mondayboy
Rebel with a cause
01:22 PM on 12/20/2010
If Bibi were to forgive the Palestinians for the painful loss of his senior brother, I think he could find a pathway to a peace treaty. My personal opinion is that he still grieves and he has not forgiven.
12:36 PM on 12/20/2010
Three more Latam countries ‘are ready to recognize’ a Palestine state

Ecuador, Paraguay and Peru are expected to recognize the state of Palestine with its borders prior to 1967, following the recent announcements from Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and last week Bolivia, according to Palestine sources.

(MercoPress)

Changes in the World map if those countries follow Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Bolivia:

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9427/bsffs9.gif
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06:44 PM on 12/20/2010
The deadly regime that has a stranglehold on US government is causing the USA to become irrelevant.
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Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
09:56 AM on 12/20/2010
I’m confused.
 
Apparently Israel is doomed because of demographics, it is only a matter of time, it is argued, before Jews become a minority in the democratic state they founded.
 
The same characters that look forward to this also tirelessly declare that Israel is committing ‘genocide’ against the Palestinians.
 
The mis and overuse of the word ‘genocide’ is an interesting, and often hilarious, feature of this site.
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
07:26 PM on 12/20/2010
Israel can choose two of three:

Democratic
Secular
Jewish

It can't have all three.
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
07:39 PM on 12/20/2010
Dear Israel:

Please choose a secular democracy.

Please.
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The oncoming storm
08:40 PM on 12/20/2010
Says who?
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One man, one vote, from the river to the sea
09:48 AM on 12/20/2010
Please take a look if you haven't already seen this new 'Peace Now' interactive map - this shows every single one of the illegal Israeli settlements in occupied Palestine all lit up on a map like a nightmare Monopoly game - please take a look.

Take a couple of minutes to play with this amazing interactive map and click on the 'Israeli settlements'' and 'Israeli outposts' buttons to watch the occupied West Bank light up like crazy with blue and red Monopoly game houses and hotels - the intentions of the Israeli are instantly revealed for all to see

Peace Now has taken members of the Knesset and reporters on special plane flights over occupied Palestine to show them the facts the Israelis are trying to hide from the world. These are the facts on the ground of Israeli ethnic cleansing

You can interactively overlay anything you want or even overlay everything altogether by clicking the boxes provided - the Israeli Separation Wall, the Green Line, anything you want - this is the best I have ever seen and gives the clearest picture imaginable of the territorial facts of the Israeli occupation

http://www.peacenow.org/map.php
07:19 PM on 12/20/2010
Thanks gingershot. If people have a couple more minutes, they can read this report:
http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2010/12/19/separate-and-unequal
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GZLives
07:20 PM on 12/20/2010
""Settlement" is the term used to denote Israeli civilian communities built in territory conquered by Israel in the Six Day War (June 1967). "

Conquered???
What a bunch of bull
11:28 PM on 12/20/2010
The word "conquered" is illegal under international law as it is genocide. Repeat after me, ILLEGAL!
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Mondayboy
Rebel with a cause
04:40 AM on 12/20/2010
Is Bibi so hardened in his position because of what happened to his brother in Uganda? For those who are not aware, Bibi's senior brother was the commander who led the charge to free hostages in Uganda held by Palestinian terrorists in Entebbe. He was killed during their attempt to free the hostages. I think that Bibi's remembrance of his elder brother hardens his position against the Palestinians. Otherwise, I think he would have been more flexible in his negotiations with the Palestinians. I don't think he is an ideologue.
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Somebody make me a sandwich!
10:43 AM on 12/20/2010
His brother was the only person killed in that raid as well. He was a true hero.
12:39 PM on 12/20/2010
His personal history is note worthy...his ability to speak to Americans has been his saving grace... His hate for Palestinians will finally be exposed through History... Israel is not being served well by him.
04:00 AM on 12/20/2010
Palestinians have remained steadfast in their desires of keeping their homeland despite an endless siege and millions and millions and millions of US dollars outfitting Israel with every weapon and war armor in existence.

For having basically limited materials, no economy, and propaganda that promotes worldwide condemnation on a fairly regular basis, they are one tough people.
They deserve to know where borders are and they deserve to have the basic rights of free movement and the ability to build an economy.
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GZLives
11:40 AM on 12/21/2010
""Palestinia­ns have remained steadfast in their desires of keeping their homeland despite an endless siege and millions and millions and millions of US dollars outfitting Israel with every weapon and war armor in existence."
Not true ... try looking beyond the usual anti Israel propaganda

"Even the Muslim-Christian Association, an organization of traditional leaders-men who expected to rule if Palestine became independent-demanded incorporation in Greater Syria. Its president insisted that “Palestine or Southern Syria-an integral part of the one and indivisible Syria-must not in any case or for any pretext be detached.” The Muslim-Christian Association held a Congress in early 1919 to draw up demands for the Paris Peace Conference. It declared that Palestine, a “part of Arab Syria,” is permanently connected to Syria through “national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic, and geographical bonds,” and resolved that “Southern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the independent Arab Syrian government.” Musa Kazim al-Husayni, Head of the Jerusalem Town Council (in effect, mayor) told a Zionist interlocutor in October 1919: “We demand no separation from Syria.” The slogan heard everywhere in 1918-19 was “Unity, Unity, From the Taurus [Mountains in Turkey] to Rafah [in Gaza], Unity, Unity.”
Tony Andrews
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06:34 PM on 12/21/2010
GZLives,

You are aware that there have been one or two small developments in international matters since 1919?
12:11 PM on 12/22/2010
Um, I actually was referring to the resiliency of the Palestinian people of today, let's say even for the last 10 years- not almost a century ago. It would be of interest to note how any of us would last living under siege for 6 months or even 6 weeks for that matter, without clean water, little electricity, limited medical services, no freedom of movement.
Yet the spirit of the people has remained. A non violence resistance to the Occupation is ongoing, continuing even after skunk gas is sprayed on people and homes and non violent protestors are shot with rubber bullets. The resistance can not be deterred even though the IDF soldiers are outfitted from head to toe and drive packs of heavily armored tanks to respond to protests of schoolchildren. This response is only increasing the hatred and the resolve of the youth. There seems to be a steady response of violence from the IDF toward the Palestinians no matter what actions take place. The lack of forward thinking coming from the Israeli Government is embarrassing and stunning. I believe they can do better for the security and safety of all.

Please take a moment to look at this article, it was recently written, describing the current situation. thank you.
http://popularstruggle.org/content/problem-israeli-occupation-nabi-saleh
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02:21 AM on 12/20/2010
In a 166-page report, the group urged the U.S. to slash aid to Israel because of what it said are blatantly discriminatory practices.
The bribe of billions in weapons didn't work, the olive branch didn't work. Time for the stick. STOP ALL AID, they don't need it and it doesn't work. The U.S. needs it more.Join the BDS movement.
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