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Rust Belt States Losing People, Political Clout

Rust Belt States

JOHN FLESHER   12/22/10 09:24 PM ET   AP

TRAVERSE CITY, Mich. — After years of losing residents to more prosperous states, the nation's Rust Belt now confronts another blow to its economic prospects: losing some of its votes in Congress.

The latest census figures show that states in much of the Midwest and Northeast have been overtaken in population growth by the South and West. So starting in 2013, they will have to make do with smaller delegations in Washington, which means less political clout to attract government money and jobs.

"These states in the industrial heartland and to some extent in the Northeast have seen their impact eroded," said Norman Ornstein, a political scientist with the American Enterprise Institute. "It's not totally devastating. . But numbers do matter."

Analysts say the changes will ratchet up pressure on elected leaders to work together more closely and to redouble efforts to strengthen and diversify their state economies.

Michigan was the only state where the population declined over the past decade, but growth across the region was anemic – 3 percent in the Northeast and 4 percent in the Midwest. Population in the South and West shot up nearly four times more. The trend largely reflects young people going elsewhere in search of work, causing the northern population to become older.

Of the 10 states that will lose House seats, all but Louisiana are in the Midwest or Northeast. The affected area includes Rust Belt manufacturing centers along the Great Lakes, as well as farm states like Iowa.

Ohio and New York will forfeit two seats each. Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey and Pennsylvania each lose one.

It's a setback for a region that has long held considerable political power. When New York's House delegation declines to 27 members, it will be the smallest since 1823.

Diminished representation in Congress can mean less support for regional projects, such as a $5 billion Great Lakes restoration pledged by President Barack Obama during his campaign. Congress approved $475 million last year, but with fewer votes from the region, it may get harder to keep the program going.

Also at stake is influence on a host of policies that can affect the region's economy such as farm subsidies for Missouri and Iowa and mileage standards for Detroit's automobiles. Even location of military installations and awarding of defense contracts can hinge on congressional influence, said Terry Jones, a political scientist at the University of Missouri-St. Louis.

Additionally, more than 140 federal programs distribute money according to census data. Northern states may be able to count on less cash for highway construction, housing loans, education, unemployment insurance, health care and more.

But the damage will be mitigated somewhat by many of the region's congressional veterans who are assuming influential leadership positions.

Incoming House Speaker John Boehner is from Ohio. Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan will lead the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, and Sander Levin of Michigan will be its ranking Democrat. Another key panel, Energy and Commerce, will be headed by Michigan Republican Fred Upton. Wisconsin's Paul Ryan will lead the Budget Committee.

In the Senate, Michigan's Carl Levin oversees the Armed Services Committee while Debbie Stabenow, also a Michigan Democrat, is the new chairwoman of the Agriculture Committee. Sen. Charles Schumer of New York heads the Rules Committee.

"If you had a choice between having 10 more seats overall but no chairmanships, or having fewer seats but the ability to set the agenda on some of the most powerful committees in the House, you might well pick the latter," Ornstein said.

Rep. Levin said the region's elected leaders have worked together to promote traditional manufacturing and attract alternative energy producers. The census results and smaller ranks should inspire even more cohesion and reaching across party lines, he said.

"Numbers count. I think effort can count even more," he said.

The Northeast and Midwest are likely to remain crucial players in presidential politics, analysts said. Both parties remain highly competitive in most of the region, so candidates will have to devote attention to them, said Chris Whatley, Washington director of the Council of State Governments.

"The road to the White House still goes right through Ohio," said Chris Redfern, the state's Democratic chairman.

Back in state capitals, governors and legislators will grapple over how to reverse their economic and population declines.

Incoming Gov. Scott Walker recently proposed phasing out taxes on retirement income and even throwing "welcome back" parties in states such as Florida and Arizona to persuade Wisconsin retirees to return.

But analysts said it would take considerably more to make the Northeast and Midwest more attractive for seniors – and, more important, for young adults trying to build careers and start families.

Public officials can't do anything about the weather, but they can improve the business climate, said Dana Johnson, Chicago-based chief economist for Comerica Bank.

"The reality is that businesses have tended to move to parts of the country where regulation is less intense, taxes can be lower and the union tradition is less prevalent," Johnson said.

Northern states also should improve roads and other infrastructure while providing a better-educated work force for a manufacturing sector that increasingly will need skilled employees, he said.

But others say spending on public works projects such as the Great Lakes restoration also boosts the economy.

Dismantling health and environmental regulations would diminish the quality of life and natural resources that draw many people to the Northeast and Midwest, said Jordan Lubetkin, spokesman for the National Wildlife Federation's Great Lakes office.

"That's a race to the bottom that no one wins," Lubetkin said.

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Associated Press writers John Seewer in Toledo, Ohio, and Chris Blank in Jefferson City, Mo., contributed to this report.

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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
02:43 AM on 12/24/2010
Many small and medium sized US business people demonized unions and supported their destructio­n, and then discovered­, oh dang, union laborers were their best customers!
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
02:48 PM on 12/23/2010
Republicans and conservative corporatists had a chance to show us their utopia in the Northern Mariana Islands, under the US flag, but free of US law and regulation.  "Workers" were enslaved, raped and forced to have abortions.  Locked into the compounds, "workers" owed their souls to the company store.  Exploitation without limit or restraint.  Anti-choice and not pro-life.  There was no indignity that was "out of bounds." 

This is precisely why the power of management / the wealthy has to be BALANCED by the power of labor / poor and middle class people.  B/c they won't be happy until we all owe our souls to the company store

You see this happening in the USA as wages have been held flat (despite great productivity gains produced by labor) while costs have skyrocketed for things workers really need and buy like health care, gasoline, education, etc.  On the one hand what workers are paid is held down while conservatives conspire to take this meager compensation away from workers by creating environments that drive up costs.  This is what Elizabeth Warren discusses in American without a Middle Class
02:48 PM on 12/23/2010
Census Data Reveals Slowed Population Growth in US
Data from the most recent nationwide census shows the US has experienced its slowest population growth rate since the Great Depression. The census also revealed that 18 states will either gain or lose House seats by the 2012 elections. http://www.newslook.com/videos/277601-census-data-reveals-slowed-population-growth-in-us?autoplay=true
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
02:09 PM on 12/23/2010
When you want to solve a problem, you set benchmarks to guide you.  When in your own past have things been better for the majority of people?  When workforces were highly unionized.  What are other countries doing?  Northern European social democracies are doing well and are highly unionized.  The Danes are the happiest people in the world and highly unionized.  Canada usually has the world's 10th largest trade SURPLUS in the world, which means they are net importers of jobs, and is highly unionized.  You may say "free" trade is the problem, but the only effective force to end "free" trade and to keep it "fair" trade is a highly unionized workforce.
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skye eg
12:45 PM on 12/23/2010
"The reality is that businesses have tended to move to parts of the country where regulation is less intense, taxes can be lower and the union tradition is less prevalent,"

But how much regulation is "too much" regulation? Companies prefer NO regulation. Just wait when they leave Florida/Georgia/Texas for India and Mexico. There's always places with less regulation and less taxes. Southerners haven't figured it all out.

BTW, as Texas becomes more urban, more industrialized, and draws more people from the North, the state will become less conservative. Democrats already win a sizeable part of the electorate in that state. It's a ticking time-bomb. A liberal, blue Texas? Soon, yes.
12:35 PM on 12/23/2010
The choices are:
Revitalize these hard pressed areas
or
Leave them to decay and go someplace else
without a plan and action we know what will happen...we leave a ruined landscape and a heap of garbage
cabinetmaker
made in USA
12:14 PM on 12/23/2010
LOL
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Marvelousdreams
Writer of Prophecy
11:49 AM on 12/23/2010
You can run...but you can't hide from the economic malaise that plagues the US. The cost of living may be a little lower in southern states and the heating or energy bills are not as high, but the south was a major manufacturing area. With the loss of those plants in the late 90's and early 2000's; employment is hard to find everywhere.
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Patrick Kearns
11:32 AM on 12/23/2010
This sentence cuts to the heart of the problem: "So starting in 2013, they (states of the Midwest and Northeast) will have to make do with smaller delegations in Washington, which means less political clout to attract government money and jobs."

If these states had focused on developing private money and private jobs, they wouldn't be looking to survive as welfare clients dependent on attracting government money (welfare) and jobs (welfare & government bureaucrats).
11:37 AM on 12/23/2010
R U r3t@rded?

These states put more tax revenue in the pipe then 99% of the red states. Texas and Florida may be the only two that pay in more.

Most (R) states are welfare states. Sucking out far more then they put in.

IF it wasn't for outsourcing to China and India there would still be jobs in the rust belt and north east and midwest.

Go away and di3 somewhere.
11:50 AM on 12/23/2010
Those states would be California, Washington, Oregon, Michigan, NY, MN, etc. If you don't have a job you'd better get one soon. 31% of ALL us welfare people live in California. BTW, this state has been run by the Democratic party for at least a couple decades. Boy are we fortunate here in CA.
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CanadjunBeef
Remember Jesus, the radical liberal
11:43 AM on 12/23/2010
Measured by how much federal tax they pay for the services they consume, the real welfare bums are the sparsely-populated states that wouldn't even have highways and mail delivery were in not for excess taxes collected in the densely-populated states.
You don't know what you talking about, spouting about welfare. There hasn't been a federally-regulated welfare system since 1996, when Clinton replaced it with block grants to states. America is the stingiest nation in the developed world when it comes to helping the poor. You institute a winner-take-all economy, then remove the safety net for the non-winners.
11:54 AM on 12/23/2010
Yes, the poor in America with their cell phones, cars, televisions, etc. Get real, we have people who have not been served by the Democrats for generations. Let's have a debate as to how they got there. Look at the legislation that traps them.

You give people money for nothing and they will eventually be very poor.
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barkrudedog69
Im Kinda Republican and Kinda Liberal
11:01 AM on 12/23/2010
Anyone who has lived in Michigan knows Traverse City is a tourist and wealthy man's town....but I do understand the point of the article....

In 1990 I lived in the Ghetto of Detroit...I was 21 years old and had only one plan....to get out of the ghetto which involved dealing with the poverty that goes along with ghetto life.....

My wife and I did...and we now live on the intercoastal waterway near Sarasota.....she holds a MBA and I retired at 40.....

My friends....stayed in the Detroit area...its depressing listening to them on the phone....I know Florida was hit hard....and my family was just about pushed back into the ghetto down here...but with my wife's education she pulled us up again....

I think many in Michigan keep thinking it will get better for them....or keep trying to stay near family...I do not think America or history will be kind to them....
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PTAOfficerforObama
It's arithmetic, stupid
11:35 AM on 12/23/2010
I know just how you feel. I moved out in 1983. I hear from family and friends too. It is depressing to go back.
11:39 AM on 12/23/2010
History will be far less kind to the pathetic businessmen who would rather utilize slave labor in a dictatorship country like China then take a small cut off the top to keep jobs in this country.

Reagan and Bush were really awful for the spirit of this country. "Greed is good" coined under the Reagan years. Anyone who subscribes to that motto should drown themselves.
11:52 AM on 12/23/2010
What a real uplifiting and positive person you must be!
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Marvelousdreams
Writer of Prophecy
11:58 AM on 12/23/2010
History? Why must history rectify this destruction of the USA? One way or another, we as citizens must stop looking to the robber baron to create jobs. We must begin to organize ourselves; invest to create new factories and products. If we wait for the "rich" to allow US dollars to trickle down, we are going to starve! Stop depending on these aweful folks and let's devise plans, organize, gather resources, open a factory and produce the goods and services that are oh so vital to life: food, clothing, shelter, and utilities. We cannot starve because the Chamber of Commerce needs to know exactly what corporate tax rate will be for the next 10 years. HP commenters are truly intelligent. We can do this without our "fearful" leaders. And you know this.
Ifeomamn
When MSM report Facts, USA thrives.
10:50 AM on 12/23/2010
One of the many reasons that I loath the news media and their horrid reporting of our civic historical understanding.

The ONLY state to experience a decline in population is Michigan. They lost about 55K people in 10 years.

The so called Belt manufacturing states, didn't lose populations. They just didn't grow as fast as the rest of Western and Southern states.

AL grew 7% yet NY had more people in 10 years moved in than those moved to AL.

The question and the story should have been. Since the early 1920, the ration of representation is relatively the same. Why is That?

The nation then was at about 132M.

Today, 308M plus in the nation the number of representatives remain the same. The only changes were after HI and AK became the 50 and the 49th states.

The media should be asking these questions and educating the population. CA is 37M plus, TX and FL all are getting more representation but the East is losing their representatives even though their population didn't decline.

When the founders came up with 30-34K people to 1 rep, that was in the 1700. This is 2010. In the 1900s, the congress made it to300K people for 1 rep. Our population have almost tripled since 1920.

Therefore, We the people need to start calling for a change. It is high time that more representatives are added to the mix. The GROWTH in our population dictates it.

It will help our national discourse.
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Patrick Kearns
11:35 AM on 12/23/2010
Great.... let's grow the size of Congress with even more folks spending money and creating bureaucracy.
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CanadjunBeef
Remember Jesus, the radical liberal
11:49 AM on 12/23/2010
The article speaks of redistributing seats, not expanding the number of them. And the Internet you are using right now wouldn't even exist except for "wasteful" government. You negative attitude to government, is why you get bad government. Value what government can provide, seek out the best candidates to provide those services, and you will be well-governed. Elect selfish wreckers, who appeal to your worst instincts, and you will conti ue to get bad government.
Ifeomamn
When MSM report Facts, USA thrives.
01:46 PM on 12/23/2010
The mind set of those who dumbed down this nation.

We are a democratic republic.

The nation had doubled in size, more than tripled since it was formed.

An accommodation had been made once in the early 1900s. Since then we have doubled in size. Another adjustment needs to be made. Our budget in 1900 is not what it is today.

Our nation grows therefore accommodations are needed for a better government that represents the need of the citizenry.

The North East need not be losing representatives to accommodate the West and the South.

If Porto Rico where to vote and become a state, they will have 2 senators. Why would the number of representatives still remain as they are?
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10:23 AM on 12/23/2010
Keep raising taxes rust belt to support all those outrageous union public employee pensions and watch people continue to leave. I am a New Yorker and will leave within the next two years to a state where the public employee and teacher's unions have little power and correspondingly low real estate taxes.
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CanadjunBeef
Remember Jesus, the radical liberal
10:35 AM on 12/23/2010
And consequently low teacher salaries and poor public services. The southern states consistently rate lowest in education quality. But if crappy schools for your kids is your dream, have at it, hoss.
11:23 AM on 12/23/2010
"The southern states consistent­ly rate lowest in education quality."

Typical misrepresentation of facts - when properly adjusted for demographics, there is virtually no difference in education quality.
11:26 AM on 12/23/2010
Nice try - how about some facts:

http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Report_Card_on_American_Education
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CanadjunBeef
Remember Jesus, the radical liberal
11:27 AM on 12/23/2010
These are the national rankings of education quality according to Education Week.
State; Score; Grade

1. Maryland; 84.7; B

2. Massachusetts; 84.6; B

3. New York; 84.1; B

4. Virginia; 83.2; B

5. New Jersey; 81.9; B-6. Ohio; 81.2; B-7. Pennsylvania; 80.3; B-8. Georgia; 80.0; B-9. West Virginia; 80.0; B-10. Florida; 79.6; B-11. Arkansas; 79.6; B-U.S. average; 76.2; C

Note that seven of the top ten are northern and northeastern states. You might go to Alabama to follow the manufacturing jobs that haven't yet been shipped to China. By the way, the football club you claim to support is spelled "Steelers."
12:09 PM on 12/23/2010
While I have no idea why my post was removed, I will respond to your correction of my football club. In case you haven't been there, Pittsburgh has a rather distinct local accent which includes pronouncing Steelers as Stillers.
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Blue Ayez
10:03 AM on 12/23/2010
It's not simply infrastructure that's the problem. The majority of the population is over 40 now. When people retire they need cheaper places to live -- cheaper food, energy for heat and less harsh winters. We just don't have the kind of energy it takes to combat the 4-5 feet of snow that falls there.

If you want retirees to stay in the north then work toward green energy, give tax breaks for green houses and snow removal, get the health reform moving in those states first. People will live where the financial incentives are the greatest. Do something to restore the pensions that Wall Street stole. Maybe then people could afford to live up north.
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BlairCase
10:27 AM on 12/23/2010
As the article points out, the migration to the South and Southwest consists mostly of young people in search of jobs.
11:22 AM on 12/23/2010
It also consists of the retiree demographic with a pension and retiree health coverage that can go to a warm, low tax place.
11:43 AM on 12/23/2010
Where would you rather be homeless? Chicago in Dec or Arizona in Dec?
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CanadjunBeef
Remember Jesus, the radical liberal
09:48 AM on 12/23/2010
Even before the recession, a summer drive through Upper New State was an eye-opener for me. Mile after mile of farms, but no farming. Two hundred acres of weeds each. Shacks by the roadway. Finally, the faded town of Ogdensburg.
You CAN have an excess of capitalism. This is what you get when money makes the rules: Agribusiness instead of farming; imports instead of jobs, debts instead of raises, gambling instead of finance, corporate rule instead of democracy, prisons instead of justice, an aristocracy instead of an entrepreneurial class.
10:35 AM on 12/23/2010
No, the entrepeneurial class moved to states with lower taxes and less problems with union thuggery.
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CanadjunBeef
Remember Jesus, the radical liberal
11:29 AM on 12/23/2010
The best place for them to move, if taxes and unions are their biggest concerns, would be Shenzou Province.
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reader1
Interested in the world
11:04 AM on 12/23/2010
You are right, with no solutions in sight!
12:18 PM on 12/23/2010
The solution is to make America more competitive in the global marketplace. I would suggest the following ideas:

1. Eliminate ALL income, capital gains, payroll and estate taxes in favor of a consumption tax like the Fair Tax. This would increase individual economic freedom and incentivize investment in this nation.

2. Streamline and reduce regulations while giving business more input and taking some accounting of economic costs of such regulations.

3. Pursue free trade agreements with nations that have similar labor and regulatory costs like Western Europe, Japan, Canada, South Korea and Australia. We might actually have an advantage over these nations and the more trade with them the better, especially if its at the cost of China.

4. Pursue a more prudent fiscal policy with an emphasis on entitlement reform. Freeze government spending until cuts can be made. If we don't do this then we'll see higher interest rates and inflation which will hurt our economy more than anything thus far.

Like I said, our challenge is to be competitive in a global economy. Increasing taxes and regulations will not help us to do this.