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Teacher Layoffs: Study Questions Seniority-Based Model

Teacher Seniority Layoffs

DONNA GORDON BLANKINSHIP   12/23/10 04:25 AM ET   AP

SEATTLE — A study of Washington state teachers has found that deciding layoffs based solely on which teachers have the least seniority has a significant impact on students' ability to learn, adding to a growing chorus calling for schools to take a hard look at union contracts dictating who gets to keep their jobs.

The study comes as tens of thousands of teachers around the country stand to lose their jobs next year as federal stimulus money dries up. In most places, union contracts and other policies generally dictate that the least experienced teachers are the first to go.

But that comes at a price, according to the study released exclusively to The Associated Press on Thursday.

The Center for Education Data and Research at the University of Washington, which studies the relationships between education policies and student outcomes, looked at the 1,717 Washington state teachers who were given layoff notices in either of the past two school years.

Most of those teachers were given notices because they had the least seniority; nearly all of them ultimately kept their jobs, but many face layoffs next year as federal stimulus money used to retain them dries up.

Researchers compared the actual layoff notice list with a list of teachers who would have been laid off using a measurement of effectiveness known as "value-added," in which teachers are judged by the improvement of their students on standardized tests.

Lacking seniority didn't necessarily equate with doing poorly on the value-added measurement; about 275 teachers were on both lists.

Using teachers' past performance, the researchers predicted the performance of two hypothetical school systems: one in which the teachers receiving notices had actually lost their jobs, and one in which more than 1,300 of the lowest-performing teachers had been fired instead.

Dan Goldhaber, lead author of the study and the center's director, projected that student achievement after seniority-based layoffs would drop by an estimated 2.5 to 3.5 months of learning per student, when compared to laying off the least effective teachers.

"If your bottom line is student achievement, then this is not the best system," Goldhaber said.

But determining who are the best and worst teachers is also problematic, said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, one of the country's largest teacher unions.

She criticized the research, saying it could further push school districts toward evaluating teachers strictly on student test scores. Teacher unions criticize the value-added method, pointing to research showing it leads to inconsistent and inconclusive results.

"This report is actually going to do a tremendous disservice. It will stop the real work that needs to be done to development comprehensive evaluation systems," Weingarten said.

A state education research expert said Goldhaber's conclusions would be useful in the discussion about national education policy.

"We'd like to see more research and more information on these areas," said Joseph Koski, research and policy analyst, for Washington's Professional Educator Standards Board.

A young teacher in the Chicago suburbs who received a layoff notice last spring but kept his job said he likes the idea of keeping the best teachers, but wonders how schools can be sure they're keeping the right people.

"You're letting go of the people who probably know the most about connecting with students," said Hemant Mehta, 27, who is in his fourth year teaching high school math in Naperville, Ill. Age and test scores are not the only ways to evaluate teachers, he added.

The research found that using a strict seniority system for layoffs has a variety of other consequences, including:

_ School districts lay off more teachers to meet their budget goals because junior teachers are paid less.

_ Some districts lay off teachers in high-demand and hard-to-fill areas such as special education.

_ Seniority-based layoffs disproportionately hit schools where the most needy kids are and the least senior teachers usually work.

The value-added method of evaluating teachers has its detractors, including Goldhaber. He said the method is less accurate for teachers with shorter careers and more accurate when comparing teachers who have the same amount of experience.

The researchers were able to explore this issue statewide, instead of using data from a single school district, because Washington state is ahead of most other states in tracking student and teacher data.

The research drew support from others opposed to laying off teachers with less experience.

A class-action lawsuit brought by the ACLU against the Los Angeles Unified School District argues that the district's seniority-based layoffs denied students a fair and adequate education because so many of the junior teachers taught in low-income areas where teacher turnover is high and attracting good teachers is difficult.

"It confirms the common sense and backs it up with evidence that many teachers being forced out in the current approach are superstar teachers," said David Sapp, an attorney for ACLU-Southern California. "It's further exacerbating the inequity that exists."

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Center for Education Data and Research, http://www.cedr.us

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JusdaTruth
a proud child of the 60's
09:52 AM on 02/21/2011
Absolutely. Should policeman, nurses, doctors, prison guards be governed by seniority laws. Yep. Do they take care of the public. Yep. Why do they want to do this to teachers. Money follow the money. Privatization advocates. The simple but true answer.
10:56 PM on 01/13/2011
This study has validity only if the value added evaluation model has validity... which it doesn't.

I'm sure that laying off teachers based on seniority leads to negative outcomes for students. I'm also sure that laying off teachers PERIOD leads to negative outcomes for students, regardless of the ones we choose to lay off. The conversation we should be having is about how to provide funding to hire more teachers, not which ones to lay off.
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liv2giv
03:40 PM on 01/13/2011
Until you have spent a year in a classroom; a year with a principal who doesn't support the teachers; a year with a District Office that cares more about the forms you fill out, the committees you do time in, and the every-other-year "new and improved" program for teaching a subject shoved down your lesson planning, that does not benefit from changing horses in mid-stream; a year with parents who 80% are single mothers who don't speak the language the homework is assigned in, working two-three jobs while their 5th grader babysits their younger siblings and their husbands are either AWOL, in jail, or dead; a year of sub-deserving salary; and a year in which you are the only factor blamed for the slump in this nation's education quality - then you cannot stand to judge that position and those that still find enough intrinsic value amongst all that chaos to stay. If we HAVE teachers that reach the 10-year, 15-year, 20-year mark in their careers we should count ourselves EXTREMELY lucky. Are you kidding me? Job security in exchange for CONSISTENT seniority is the LEAST we can give these individuals on the front lines. Take away job security and replace it with inapplicable NCLB BS, you're going to find things getting worse not better. Job security IS the compensation, fools! It's the bloody bribe!

So teaching, with all that, is the only career in which experience counts against you. Smart one! Not.
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Ariel Bonzai
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04:09 AM on 02/18/2011
Woah, you said it ALL!
09:39 AM on 12/27/2010
Another "study" from the anti-public schools reform crowd.

Notice how this was not published in an actual journal but release exclusively to the Associated Press, can't have any pesky peer reviews or fact checking when you've got an agenda to sucker the press into swallowing.

Shame on you HP!
01:15 PM on 12/26/2010
I taught in Japan and liked some aspect of the system there. First of all education is a top priority-so it is handled Federally-not by prefecture(or state in our case). This eliminates the educational inequalities that come from basing educational funds on property values.Teachers are also some of the most highly educated and come from their most prestigious schools.They are highly respected and paid an income that would make them upper middle class.They must rotate to a different school every five years-so that they have experience working with poorer and more affluent students. The best teachers are promoted to principals if they do well and to administrators in the Board of Education if they do well as principals. Even when they achieve this status they still are rotated back to teaching every 6 years or so-so that they do not forget what it means to be a teacher in the classroom.
01:38 PM on 12/26/2010
Thank-you. I read the conversation between Gates and Weingarten and was disappointed that Gates does not have his facts straight. He mentioned that American teachers are paid more than teachers elsewhere. This may be true in many places, however, I have been learning that teachers are highly respected and their compensation is commensurate in high performing countries. There really are numerous ways America sends the message to its public school teachers that they are not particularly valued, and the public school education is little more than an obligation. We cannot expect people who sense this daily, in many small ways, to be inspired to rise to excellence.

A simply, silly example is the telephone in my classroom being diagonally across from my desk and my computer. To speak with a colleague or parent on the telephone I must stand by my sink and door without access to my computer, or even a good surface to make notes on. No professional elsewhere would be expected to do their job without a telephone by their desk. Of course, 15 years ago I had no telephone in my room and had to do telephoning from the office, where I could stand out in the open while I made or took a call. Anyone could overhear what was being discussed.

Individuals like Bill Gates, who spread misinformation of this sort, really thwart real and meaningful reform. Inaccurate data causes us to place our attention and reforms on factors that may not be productive.
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captainindustry
then that will be my story.
07:08 AM on 12/26/2010
$68.6 billion dollars

That is the budget for the Department of Education.

Half that would fund 600,000 teachers.
03:55 AM on 12/26/2010
If you want to prove a political point ... fund a Study !!

But I'm sure the NEA is upset by this one. It looks like Teachers, Administrators, and Unions placed themselves and their seniority above our Kids.

But hey, haven't they always done this?
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captainindustry
then that will be my story.
06:57 AM on 12/26/2010
I think that is the ultimate question that has to be addressed. Is our school set up for our kids or is it set up so that a few grown-ups can make a whole lot of money.
01:02 PM on 12/26/2010
who is making a "whole lot of money" in public education right now?
01:46 AM on 12/26/2010
OK, please try and help me understand this study. From what I understand, they concluded that when looking strictly at test scores instead of seniority, when they laid off teachers with higher test scores they found out that they laid of teachers with higher test scores--that's simply brilliant and worth every penny spent on studying this. I hope they do a follow up on whether fire or ice is hotter.

Of course, it doesn't look at the value of a system that allows and encourages teachers to stick around in the profession more than 2 or 3 years, after they get a bit more expensive. I wonder how many great future teachers you can recruit with the idea of just last until 70 without getting laid off and you'll qualify for a pension that (at least in Illinois) will be so low you will be below the poverty line---oh and you won't get social security and in fact if your spouse does get social security, their benefits will be cut because of your pension.
01:09 AM on 12/26/2010
In NO other profession is experience deemed a liability. Who would you rather have do your surgery- a 1st year resident or a surgeon who has 20 years of experience? The millionaires want an experienced team of teachers for their kids in private schools- not an unstable staff with constant turnover.

This article is pure propaganda to advance a corporate agenda and impose a failed business model on schools. All for PROFIT not kids. What the article fails to say is the corporate looters save money and increase profits if they can churn experienced teachers out of their salary budgets.
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05:54 PM on 12/26/2010
Exactly right!
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Ariel Bonzai
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04:14 AM on 02/18/2011
right, jcgrim!
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Steve Rockett
11:07 PM on 12/25/2010
Here's the bottom line: These are our children and grandchildren. We do not care about teachers except for their positive impact on our progeny. If you can't cut it, we don't want you in the classroom. We do not support your union, your tenure, your wages, your complaints or anything other thing about you, unless they result in our kids getting the best education possible that will make them good citizens and achieve meaningful development so that they can be productive and independent. We will support our children by attending child/teacher/parent meetings, we will back your homework requirements, and so on, but this means good communication between you and us. If you are a good teacher, then we will support you with your administration.
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SocratesFan
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07:36 PM on 12/26/2010
Your respect for the generations that will succeed us is admirable. Your criticisms of the "teaching industry" are not wrong. I share them, inspired by John Taylor Gatto.

But shutting out the voices of teachers completely is counterproductive. Nothing is solved by inciting further divisions between us, or by insisting "we're not going to listen to you." What on earth will you gain by completely shutting off your ears, rather than making "wise discernment" as to what is necessary to listen to and what is not?

Alienation solves nothing. We have to work together.
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Steve Rockett
07:48 PM on 12/26/2010
I was a bit hyperbolic, but I alluded to the communication with teachers at the end of the comment. Let me clarify, please. I have known some wonderful teachers and they focus on the children, not their personal lives and needs. Okay, I am with you otherwise. We want our teachers happy, but not at the expense of doing good work from year to year and with every child.
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Ariel Bonzai
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04:15 AM on 02/18/2011
fair enough. but why do you trust the administrators?
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ironicisntit
10:07 PM on 12/25/2010
Very rarely is a first or even second year teacher a "highly effective" teacher. Like any job, teaching takes time and a gathering of experience. As with any profession senority does not guarantee quality, but I can tell you in teaching it takes a teacher several years to really become effective. So firing teachers based on test scores will most likely cause very few new teachers to become experienced and cause the teachers who work in the high risk, low income schools to leave to areas where poverty does not affect scores. Leaving the poor students with a constant turn over of brand new, inexperienced teachers. But, maybe those pushing reform really don't care what happens to those poorer students.
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Steve Rockett
11:10 PM on 12/25/2010
Quit whining! If you can't cut it you are gone. The school should blend in the new with the older teachers. In LA, the teacher of the year was released, because she did not have seniority. She was a new teacher. Frequently, the older teachers have become comfortable and ineffective.
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03:26 PM on 12/26/2010
Evaluating student achievement based solely on test scores is idiocy.  And, as a parent, I'm tired of whiney parents who blame the lack of achievement of their students on teachers.
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Ariel Bonzai
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04:20 AM on 02/18/2011
do you have a link to that story?
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Ariel Bonzai
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04:18 AM on 02/18/2011
they care but not the way they are supposed to. i think the pushy reformers want to see a compliant and uneducated new wave of worker bees. true education would make short work of that diabolical dream.
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marlaannchristenson
Well when you say it like that...
08:46 PM on 12/25/2010
Okay, let's look at the absurdity of this situation. We aren't looking at the banking industry and trying to determine a mechanism for which % to lay off. Or, wall street, which percentage to lay off. Why are we looking at teachers and even entertaining laying off a percentage and trying to decide how to evaluate which ones to cut? Why not adequately fund education and adequately support those that are teaching in their endeavors?
01:50 PM on 12/26/2010
Love it. Why do we permit obscene compensation packages to be awarded to CEOs and their minions, when they are destroying the companies they run? The "bottom line" approach in the private sector is bringing us lovely practices that include, but are not limited to; off-shoring American jobs for pennies on the dollar and large lay-offs during profitable quarters and years. These are the methods many CEOs are using to appear more profitable. Of course, when the "cost saving" manipulations are used up the day arrives where the real bottom line becomes evident. I have seen NCLB-motivated practices in my high school that have delivered higher yearly scores, until the year that all of the manipulations have been used arrives and the scores must stand on their own (that is the year scores drop). Competition-driven reforms encourage this sort of manipulation, and "de-incentivize" engagement in real reform.

These kinds of ruthless, heartless practices are not good for American business and they do not belong in American schools, either. Practices such as this really create incentives for people to behave really badly to create the illusion of productivity. Over the longterm such practices are not in the best interest of an organization.

None of this, however, precludes reforms that involve the stakeholders and cast in a constructive (vs. destructive) context.
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Ariel Bonzai
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04:22 AM on 02/18/2011
come say more of this a www.perdaily.com. you got it going on!
06:55 PM on 12/25/2010
Place teachers over age of fifty on three day week before bringing in lay-offs. Older teachers should be better placed to take the financial hit.

What do prefer - 10 older teachers on three day week or 3 or 4 teachers out of work?
11:42 PM on 12/26/2010
Wow! Many teachers over 50 are paying for college educations for their own children. Recall that many of us in this age bracket had our children when we were in our 30s, now they are in college and we are paying tuition. Lousy time to be hit with income reduction.

There really is not good time.
07:40 AM on 12/27/2010
I cam across this policy when evaluating reports on changes in eastern Europe in the nineties. These teachers didn't face the expenses you list. So, there goes another idea.
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02:59 PM on 12/25/2010
Too many comments here are missing the point: Why is a school system waiting until layoffs are necessary to decide which teachers are effective? Layoffs are most likely to occur in a recession economy. And laying off older teachers in a depressed job market is just cruel.

Every child deserves to have effective teachers and a mix of senior teachers and newer blood is not only good for kids, but provides for long-term continuity within the system. This is so whether there is a budget shortfall or not.

Economics should not be the motivation for measuring quality and standardized tests should not be the yardstick.
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02:02 PM on 12/25/2010
"There's too much money to be made off the backs of children..­."

the very evils of capitalism which most americans are in love with.

there also is a ton of money to be made from our wars for corp profits.

from wall street scams, from pre existing medical conditions, from banks that cannot fail. from the sick and needy, from cheap labor and open borders, from tax breaks by moving overseas, etc.

love your capitalism love your self destruction of a nation.