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Barney Frank: Cut NATO Spending, It 'Serves No Strategic Purpose'


First Posted: 12/27/10 02:25 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Public officials on both sides of the aisle are increasingly looking toward the defense budget as a possible avenue for cutting spending and reducing the deficit, even though the Obama administration has been reluctant to do so. But one of the leading budget experts in the House of Representatives is saying that progressives need to start putting more pressure on the issue and should specifically think about cutting spending on NATO.

"These kind of restrictions on domestic spending with unlimited spending for the war -- and you always have to talk about both -- is a great mistake," Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) told The Huffington Post last week. "And the liberal community's got to focus more on Afghanistan, Iraq, NATO. NATO is a great drain on our treasury and serves no strategic purpose."

Lawrence J. Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress who has argued that the defense budget can be cut without harming military readiness, said Frank's idea has merit. "Barney Frank has a good point," said Korb. "We ought to rethink the whole idea of NATO."

The FY 2010 defense budget was $533.8 billion -- excluding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you add those in, it comes out to a whopping $663.8 billion, which is "more than the combined defense expenditures of the next 17 countries."

Korb estimates that approximately 20 percent of the baseline defense budget is NATO-related, resulting in about $100 billion in spending each year. (Pinpointing the exact number is tricky, however, since many of the assets the United States provides NATO are used for other purposes.) Interestingly, that amount is the same figure that House Republicans have pledged to cut from the federal budget next year, representing approximately one-fifth of the domestic discretionary budget. The GOP instead plans to slash spending for education, firefighters and cancer research.

As Nicholas Kristof recently wrote in The New York Times, "The U.S. will spend more on the war in Afghanistan this year, adjusting for inflation, than we spent on the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Civil War and the Spanish-American War combined."

Cutting the defense budget is not without precedent; Republican presidents including Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush all did so. Although Defense Secretary Robert Gates has consistently called for more funding for the State Department and foreign aid, in the FY 2011 budget the Obama administration is still spending 12 times more on the Defense Department than on State and foreign assistance.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has specifically advocated looking at cutting the defense budget, saying, "In order to address the deficit the only compromise that I think we can have is you have to look at the whole budget. We've always excluded the military and said we're not going to look at the military. Or the Democrats exclude the social and domestic welfare spending. Everything has to be on the table. We have to do this intelligently."

He joins fellow Republicans -- many of whom strongly identify with the Tea Party movement -- such as Sen. Tom Coburn (Okla.), Rep. Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Sen. Bob Corker (Tenn.), Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.), Rep.-elect Allen West (Fla.), Rep. Mike Pence (Ind.) and Sen. Mark Kirk (Ill.), as well as Democrats like Rep. Steny Hoyer (Md.).

However, while these officials are singing the right tune, a few of them (including Sarah Palin) have nevertheless continued to support programs the Pentagon does not want, such as the second engine for the F-35 program, which Gates has called "costly and unnecessary." During his campaign, Sen.-elect Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) chided Congress for "voting on systems the Pentagon doesn't even want."

Earlier this year, Frank, along with Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.), Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.) and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), put together a Sustainable Defense Task Force (SDTF), a commission of military and budget experts who recommended nearly $1 trillion in cuts over the next 10 years. Recommendations included steps such as reducing the U.S. nuclear arsenal, pulling troops out of Europe and Asia, and canceling programs like the MV-22 Osprey.

"We are asking that a closer look be taken at our national security," said Jones. "If we do not need the 652 overseas bases that we have currently, then we should take that money and put it back into our own country. We should take that money and use it to take care of our wounded men and women returning from war."

Korb, who was part of the STDF, has also authored a report identifying approximately $100 billion in cuts for the 2015 budget forecast. The Simpson-Bowles deficit-cutting proposal also recommended approximately $100 billion in defense cuts.

Britain recently saw its defense budget cut 8 percent as part of its deficit-cutting austerity program, resulting in a loss of 17,000 personnel. What this means for the United States, notes Tony Karon in Time, is that "next time America goes to war in some distant land, it is unlikely to be joined by significant numbers of British squaddies."

Ryan Grim contributed reporting.

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08:39 PM on 02/06/2011
Mr Frank also supports cancellation of the entire defence/military budget and convert all to social program spending. So then our interests are untended, and we still go bankrupt. Thankful that Barny has adult supervision. he is only pandering to his constituents and knows what happens, when, as the saying goes, they come for him. he knows better, so don't go off half cocked (pun intended) here taking him at spoken value.
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07:33 PM on 01/27/2011
Can we stop saying "defense" and start saying "military"?
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08:56 PM on 12/29/2010
In the face of millions of casualties, how many dollars are we going to save by not asserting who are friends are? NATO does serve a strategic purpose. To see that purpose, we only have to notice that there was no NATO between World Wars One and Two.

In the absence of military alliances and diplomatic missions and peaceful commerce, what is going to prevent the world from being racked by the pains of war?

NATO is a cheap solution to a horrifying problem. NATO is not just about the Soviet Union. It's about promoting stability on a continent which has been historically burdened by habitual warfare. Have a few years of peace, barely a decade, if that, allowed us to forget people starving to death, burning alive and facing combat at any moment?

I understand that military offensives don't need to be our civilization's main focus; but, historically, we have yet to see a full 100 years of peace. We don't see any evidence yet that we've broken the cycles of violence in civilization. We may have lost some of the old labels, but I'm not so sure we've lost some of the old causes of war. Dissatisfaction, power, angry defensiveness against economic oppression: characteristics like these can occur at any time, and they've historically pushed people towards war.

Being prepared for war and civilization is what NATO is about. It's an assertion worth making.
08:29 PM on 01/29/2011
You need to know what started WW2 was trade , the need for and the protection of markets
All of that has changed with free trade in european countrys Russia has changed they have freed all the countries .under their control Europe has one currency and open borders They have a $ 16 billion economy They do not need our tax payers to protect them
03:19 AM on 01/30/2011
Europe has a $16 trillion economy we have a $14 trillion economy
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06:16 PM on 12/29/2010
I don't often agree with Rep. Frank, but I can and do wholeheartedly approve of this. There are no more Soviet armored columns about to bust through The Fulda Gap. NATO is an outdated, useless and frankly financially draining alliance which has long outlived its purpose.
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03:58 AM on 12/29/2010
Our Offense spending makes us weaker, not stronger. Liberals need to make this their #1 issue.
09:43 PM on 12/28/2010
Is he still running a prostitution ring from his basement, or I guess that was his boyfriend?
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10:59 PM on 12/28/2010
GEEZ...cupcake come into THIS Century, that was decades ago.
Heard the latest...Bobby Kennedy banged Norma Jean
03:31 AM on 12/29/2010
Why does ANYbody listen to a crooked hustler like Barney Frank??!!??!!
09:07 PM on 12/28/2010
NATO needs review. Particularly the pipelines of ever more expensive hardware noone needs even a third of. But 'no strategic purpose' is poppycock and crazytalk.

If you're looking for savings: just stick to defense and leave the offence for cases selfdefense. Think of all the investment and production capacity you could put to work to save the homeland from bankruptcy.
06:11 PM on 12/28/2010
Cut spending why? Just kidding. If I remember right the President wanted an agency that would do just that by reviewing each budget from each gov dept and making recommendations/rejections on line items to "prevent " some of this unnecessary spending, $500 brief cases, gold fixtures in the RR's, not to mention how the vendors overcharge when they know money abounds. It's all avicious circle but the American people doesn't like it when things are too controlled so what if a Senator threw a party with my tax money , he was just relaxing, yea right, while I have to scrape to pay my electric bill and put gas in the car, I would like to relax a little too.
05:41 PM on 12/28/2010
ONLY Republicans can cut defense spending.

A classic "Nixon goes to China" moment.

If a Democrat cuts defense, it automatically means they're trying to destroy America, right tr0lls?
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04:24 PM on 12/28/2010
The system of socialized everything that exists now in Europe was made possible by the American participation in NATO. Our defense spending made possible their domestic spending. No country in Europe alone is fully capable of defending itself and would depend on America to provide security. I am not sure how this arrangement could be continued without participation in NATO. Or is the idea to stop providing defense for the western world in general? In which case, I am not sure what (beside revenue redirection) would be achieved.
03:25 PM on 12/28/2010
I am of two minds where it comes to Mr. Frank's statement on NATO. On one hand, I think the alliance has served its purpose and could be dismantled without adversely affecting the national security of any of its members; in fact, it could be argued that national security would be enhanced, for with the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, it is the last remaining vestige of the Cold War in Europe, and serves mainly as an irritant to Russia.

On the other hand, given his contribution to the financial crisis, I am hesitant to accept anything posed by Mr. Frank at face value. He was the leading recipient of political contributions by the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate industries, a leading architect of the toothless financial reform, and a continued pawn of the Wall Street investment banking and insurance corporations. We need to ask: why would Wall Street want NATO dismantled? To enable the government to give them more money?
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04:44 PM on 12/28/2010
24 before Jeff? Wow, what does your significant other think of that moniker? Are you aware that Big Banks were the No 1 contributor to GW Bush's election in 2000? As Bill O'Riley likes to say "Its in the records, look it up." Don't you feel like you have been abused? Mr Frank is talking about the Holy Grail to you Republicans, lowering Federal Spending. Are you sure you want to fire off at him? Let's take a look at NATO spending along with AGRICULTURAL WELLFARE for the western wheat, corn and cattle business.
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04:57 PM on 12/28/2010
As my father-in-law explained it to me, that agricultural welfare combined with NAFTA flooded out a lot of small Mexican farmers, who then swept into the U.S. illegally.
09:13 PM on 12/28/2010
Nature abhors a vacuum. You need some kind of defensive alliance for security. Get rid of it and how difficult does it become to ever get another one should you need it? Get rid of it and the participants will start disagreeing with eachother for individual advantages as opposed to the common peace.
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03:23 PM on 12/28/2010
Well we should just hand over the whole government to the Republicans, they are the aggressive war like party. They can take the place of the army. put someone like Dick Army in, he has a whole army of Dicks.
02:48 PM on 12/28/2010
Jones (whose state is heavily invested in the military) makes good points, including veteran care. We wonder if conditions at WRAMC and others have improved since the '07 Priest/Hull revelations.
02:31 PM on 12/28/2010
I have a better idea. Reduce our contribution to NATO to the mathematically calculated average of all other national contributions and no more. Then reduce our military footprint across the globe by closing bases outside of our national borders.
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02:05 PM on 12/28/2010
Barney you can't cut NATO it's part of the complex. We've got to support the defense industries they are the only manufacturing base we have left and weapons are our only major export. We can't survive without peddling fear and weapons systems. Get real Barney we've got to cut aid to schools, the free lunch program and social security. We must completely remove programs of social uplift before we can get rid of one military boodoggle. I thought you were smarter than that Barney. Geesh!
09:16 PM on 12/28/2010
Sounds like that Paul Kennedy book: Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. The military and war suck up the virtue of the nation till all that's left is an empty shell.