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Neil Abercrombie Should Rethink His Decision To Take On The 'Birthers'

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First Posted: 12/29/10 11:53 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

Newly elected Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie has decided that he will be the guy to finally settle the whole "birther" conspiracy, a matter that was settled in sane circles before it even began. Slate's Dave Weigel, who has written more substantively about the birthers than anyone else I could name, gets right to the heart of why this is a mistake:

The "birther" movement began not because Barack Obama's campaign refused to show proof of his citizenship, but because it did show proof. In June 2008, it responded to some rumors about whether Obama was born a Muslim or had different parents than had been reported by releasing the short-form certificate, the sort of form you get if you lose your driver's license and need to prove your identity to the DMV to get a new license. This launched a cottage industry of hilarious "document analysis" attempting to prove that the certificate was forged by the Obama campaign. And this is exactly what would happen again if the governor of Hawaii, who knew the Obama family in the 1960s, let reporters photograph more of Obama's documents. The birther crowd would cry "forgery," as the Kennedy assassination and moon landing hoax crowds look for anything that could unravel the official story in every new official analysis.

Exactly. The flaw in Abercrombie's thinking is that he believes this is a matter that can be laid to rest. But the birthers already believe in an ornate conspiracy, spanning many generations of bipartisan officials on the local, state, and federal level, to conceal the heritage of a biracial child in order to install him in the White House for ... well, for kicks, I guess! Given that they already successfully contain all that derangement inside their cranial cavities, there's really no big reveal Abercrombie can offer that won't simply be seamlessly incorporated as component of this bonkers theory.

Every time this matter comes up, it reminds me of a sketch from Dave Chappelle's eponymous Comedy Central show, in which the comedian imagines himself to be participating in the jury selection of the R. Kelly child pornography lawsuit:

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PROSECUTOR: So, beside the tape and the girl corroborating the allegations, what more would it take for you to believe he's guilty?

CHAPPELLE: All right. If I saw a tape of R. Kelly peeing on a girl, while he was singing "Piss On You," and the girl was holding two forms of government ID, while a police officer was there, like -- with four or five of my buddies and Neil taking notes ...

PROSECUTOR: Wow --

CHAPPELLE: I'm not finished! And his grandmother has to be there, to confirm his identity.

PROSECUTOR: Mr. Chappelle, isn't that excessive?

CHAPPELLE: No! No it's not excessive! Listen, lady, the burden of proof is on the state. The state! YOU have got to prove TO ME, beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not this man is a pisser.

PROSECUTOR: Aren't your doubts unreasonable?

CHAPPELLE: No! It's not unreasonable!

In the real world, a prosecutor would simply choose not to engage with someone with such obviously nonsensical beliefs. This is something that the White House already understands: you do not stoop to engaging crazy people who are of no consequence and do nothing but whine and ask for handouts that cater to their dementia. Neil Abercrombie means well, I take him at his word that he's animated by the way these nutters have insulted the memory of Obama's parents, but this is, ultimately, a fool's errand -- not an important matter for the state of Hawaii.

RELATED:
Abercrombie and the Birthers [Weigel @ Slate]

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Newly elected Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie has decided that he will be the guy to finally settle the whole "birther" conspiracy, a matter that was settled in sane circles before it even began. Slate's...
Newly elected Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie has decided that he will be the guy to finally settle the whole "birther" conspiracy, a matter that was settled in sane circles before it even began. Slate's...
 
 
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cybersense 07:19 PM on 12/29/2010
Just for fun I took a look at some of those funny documents those "birthers" tried to pull off as some sort of proof that B.Obama was born someplace else. I have to tell you, it was disturbingly easy to see the falseness of those doctored up documents. My stomach drops when I think of it. So many willingly avoiding what was obvious. Wow. I hear Elvis is still alive and hiding some where too, where was it?  Read More...
11:11 AM on 01/26/2011
It really doesn't matter if Abercrombie drops his cool little plan to dispel purported myths. Damage is done. He can't find it (cause it isn't there!) and this will greatly affect Obama-lama's attempt at a second failed term.
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
05:15 AM on 02/21/2011
Abercrombie never said he was going to 'find it' nor did he say he couldn't 'find it'.

WND headlines do not reflect the truth of what Abercrobie said, but I'm sure you know that.
09:26 PM on 01/20/2011
Interesting that the Governor WANTS to find the original document, and can't. I live in Louisiana, hardly at the cutting edge of technology, was born in 1945, and Louisiana has no trouble finding MY long-form birth certificate.
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TeaLady005
02:26 PM on 01/20/2011
Ooops! Now the Hawaii governor says he can not find that famous birth certificate after all ? Didn't the previous governor tell us she had it locked in a state safe?
 
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
05:13 AM on 02/21/2011
I'm sure by now you know full well Abercrombie never said any such thing.
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12:18 PM on 01/19/2011
Too late now.

If fact, Abercrombie's efforts may inadvertently offer proof that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=252833

Well, ain't that a kick in the head?
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
05:14 AM on 02/21/2011
No, because WND has consistently and deliberately misrepresented what Abercrombie said in the first place.
07:23 PM on 01/03/2011
According to HDOH Administrative Rules HRS 338-18(a), the HDOH is required by law to disclose any document that is publicly announced to the public. The Hawaii governor is acting as if something has to be done to allow Obama's records to be disclosed when in fact the HDOH has been breaking HI statutes and rules by refusing to disclose what they are REQUIRED to disclose.

What the HDOH has done violates the Federal General False Statement Act, because they have a responsibility to NOT deceive in matters of federal jurisdiction. They knew that media sources and even Congressmen were saying the HDOH had confirmed that Obama has a valid HI BC proving that he was born in Hawaii. The HDOH never said that, and they refused to correct the deception they deliberately perpetrated.
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catbyte
Anishinaabe in MI
09:45 AM on 01/04/2011
Your point being...?
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
12:06 PM on 01/06/2011
More than one Hawaiian official has stated that their records show Obama was born in Hawaii.
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Chris 1
09:08 AM on 01/07/2011
Who cares what government "officials" of a leftist enclave think? Release the long-from.
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tploomis
when I'm dogmatic, I'm usually wrong
06:12 PM on 01/02/2011
In some ways I can imagine why Abercrombie would want to take on the birthers. After all, the urge to argue with the deluded drives most of my comments on HuffPo.
11:14 AM on 01/26/2011
I agree with you. There are very many 'deluded' on this Huffington site. Many deluded indeed. It's kinda fun to come here and see all the delusions abounding. Huff-Puff is the best for this all around!!
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tploomis
when I'm dogmatic, I'm usually wrong
03:37 PM on 01/02/2011
It is pathetic and laughable that Abercrombie thinks he can settle the Birther issue once and for all. If he has that kind of ability, we should turn him loose on all people suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and eradicate that mental illness from the earth, once and for all!
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yoursotruly
Youth is Wasted on the Young.
01:23 PM on 12/31/2010
If the birthers get their way and demand a long-form birth certificate for eligibility for presidential elections there are many, many Americans who will be excluded from candidacy. Many birthers could not present their own birth certificate because the system of providing birth certificates was not as formal and detailed when many baby boomers were born. I found out that I had no valid birth certificate when I applied for a visa a few years ago, the hospital had simply identified me as "baby boy" since my parents were still undecided about my middle name. I discovered that there are millions of Americans, like myself, and that there are more of them in the conservative states where distrust of the Government caused them to be reluctant to provide information to the authorities. Be careful what you wish for and check the birth certificates of Sarah Palin and your other potential candidates before you start throwing stones at Obama.
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
12:14 PM on 12/31/2010
A roundup of this year in Birfoonery.

Great Birther Moments In 2010

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=15083
06:53 PM on 01/02/2011
Yes, that's a great site. Also the Fogbow at
http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/index.php

And Doc Conspiracy's site at:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/
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07:59 AM on 01/14/2011
Fogbow is not a great site. I went there and debunked everything they said and gave them fact after fact and they couldn't handle it. They got all butthurt and called my fact posts spam and blocked my IP. They are really a joke over there and if you don't agree with them, they will ban you.
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11:10 AM on 12/31/2010
@jason: "I take him at his word that he's animated by the way these nutters have insulted the memory of Obama's parents, but this is, ultimately, a fool's errand -- not an important matter for the state of Hawaii."
opinions obviously differ. i'll submit it's at least as important as pardoning billy the kid.
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esseff44
mini-macro-bio
07:09 PM on 12/31/2010
Governor Richardson decided not to pardon Billy the Kid after all. He said he spent 8 years on the case before Billy just didn't deserve the pardon even though he had been promised one by Gov. Wallace way back when. Things must be really slow in New Mexico.
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catbyte
Anishinaabe in MI
09:50 AM on 01/04/2011
lol
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10:49 AM on 12/31/2010
It is an article of faith with conspiracy theorists that they will never be proven wrong. If there is no evidence proving their position, in Obama's case, a birth certificate showing that he was born elsewhere, then that evidence has been destroyed and replaced by false evidence. To produce the "true" birth certificate will not satisfy the Birthers. They will simply claim it is a forgery. This is a faith based thought process. To conspiracy theorists, no evidence becomes evidence.
overcat
My micro-bio is so full, it's bursting at the seam
07:33 PM on 12/31/2010
Anyone or anything that disproves or debunks the conspiracy is considered to be part of the conspiracy.
08:58 PM on 12/30/2010
That was hysterical
06:36 PM on 12/30/2010
Linkins is wrong--again.

Maybe the assertion that birthers will never be convinced is true. Who cares?

Emerging issues such as this [I hope it's emgerging--not established] have cultural and sociopolitical repercussions that affect us all and require widespread dialogue and action--whether or not the purveyors of said issues have "derangement inside their cranial cavities."

Ambercrombie will not only " engage with someone with such obviously nonsensical beliefs" as the birthers. Anyone who challenges the birthers will engage ANYONE ELSE WHO LISTENS to them, anyone who might begin to think like them, and the audience of observers who judge through history.

Concerns about whether Hannity or Taitz will recant or at least stay quiet are short-sighted and miss the greater point that the insane, heretical rumor of today is the established truth of tomorrow (take xStianity, for example) The truth must be shouted loudly at every turn, so that the nonsense spewed by liars on the right takes no hold.

Like the Confederacy apologists/revisionists: Should we not challenge their poison, just because that's just how they are? Should we just issue a cynical "bless their hearts" and let them go about their business just because we're smarter than they are?

NO.

It is the role and duty of our leaders to stand up for what is right. If not someone like Abercrombie, then who? The "fool's errand " would be that of anyone who would decide to turn the other cheek.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
04:25 PM on 12/31/2010
Exactly. I think Abercrombie should do what he can because there are some people who are not birthers but who can be influenced by them. For example, I saw a poll about a month ago where some 18% of people think Obama might not be an American. That was up from about 12% from some time ago. I would say that the 12% are probably the hard-core birthers and the 6% are people who once scoffed at the birthers but are listening to them now because they are unhappy about the economy and are looking for someone to blame.
04:31 PM on 12/30/2010
Great point, you can't argue with a fool, you'll never convince someone who denies all the evidence.
06:38 PM on 12/30/2010
The one you want to convince is the neighbor you and the fool share. How do you know the neighbor won't start to believe the fool? You have to fight lies with truth.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
04:25 PM on 12/31/2010
Damn straight. F&F.
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mercedes1947
Elizabeth Warren 2016
04:29 PM on 12/30/2010
If this conspiracy was so well organized, going back generations, don't you think they would choose a black child, born of two American citizens whose roots in American go way back. Why would they choose a child whose ancestry is one half first generation American.

It doesn't matter if the new governor coughs up the certificate of authenticity or not, conspiracy theorists can spin any and all facts to fit their theory. IE, if the governor does not release the docs he is hiding something. If he does, they will claim the docs are forged and find miniscule errors, or perceived errors, in the images to support their claim.
04:34 PM on 12/30/2010
I'm thinking George W Bush was the beneficiary of a similar conspiracy. No one asked him if he were actually related to Prescott, and George HW, they just took their word.

Being related to Prescott Bush is not a good thing, if you are aware of what he did in money laundering during WWII. But the dynasty continues non the less.