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Germany-U.S. Secret Spy Project Denied

MELISSA EDDY and MALIN RISING   01/ 3/11 01:11 PM ET   AP

Germany Us Spy Program

BERLIN — Germany's aerospace center denied Monday that it is working with the U.S. on a $270 million high-tech secret spy program, insisting that its plans for a high-resolution optical satellite have purely scientific and security uses.

U.S. State Department cables obtained by WikiLeaks and revealed by Norwegian daily Aftenposten say Germany joined a partnership with the U.S. to create a satellite spying program that was presented as a commercial enterprise, but is actually run by the German intelligence service and the German Aerospace Center, DLR.

German Aerospace Center spokesman Andreas Schuetz said that such a project for a high-resolution optical satellite has been in discussion for the past two years under the name HIROS.

"HIROS is neither a spy satellite, nor a secret project," Schuetz said. He insisted that the project was to be used only for government purposes, "for example crisis management during natural catastrophes and for scientific uses."

He refused to give any further details, saying the plan was still in the project stage and could not be discussed.

According to the cables, sent in 2009 and last year, the satellites were to be in place by 2013, but it wasn't clear if the funding for the project had been secured.

The cables from the U.S. Embassy in Berlin are among a trove of 250,000 uncensored diplomatic documents that secret-spilling site WikiLeaks has been making public. They were posted online by Aftenposten, which said last month it had obtained all the files.

Mitchell Moss, a spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Berlin refused to comment on the cables, citing U.S. State Department policy that they are still considered classified.

A cable dated Feb. 15, 2009 describing the project said that Berlin believes such satelite technology would "provide an instrument of national power, and politically frees Germany from dependence on foreign sources of imagery."

The cables say the project had been causing friction with Germany's European Union partners, especially France, which was to be strictly excluded from the project.

They cite French efforts to halt the proposal as "fierce and persistent due to its potential competition with French industry."

The French Foreign Ministry refused to comment on reported French hostility to the satellite spy program, saying in its traditional Monday online briefing that "we confirm nothing attributed to authorities and French diplomats in documents revealed by the WikiLeaks site."

Germany's Defense Ministry, which was also cited in the cables as being involved in the project, had no immediate comment.

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Rising reported from Stockholm. Elaine Ganley contributed reporting from Paris.

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Smugglez
Mimicry Uproots, I Obey
02:53 PM on 01/05/2011
They denied it? Then I'm sure it has some noble purpose, like disintegrating overly flatulent cows.

That's the ticket!
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JohnUSA
12:12 PM on 01/05/2011
1. formerly secret program
2. "optical". Great, now 'we' just have to wait for clouds.
11:55 AM on 01/05/2011
I'll be talking about this on my German American forum at http://www.imgerman.com. Who knows what is really true or not.
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garder54
10:33 AM on 01/04/2011
Wait...there is friction between competing countries? You don't say! Another non-news story released by overly-hyped Wikileaks. If Germany and the US were hiding little green men in underground bunkers then I might be interested!
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01:23 AM on 01/05/2011
Does This News have any effect on START ?
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american-dolt
Truther since 2004
10:04 AM on 01/04/2011
Operation Paperclip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
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rgateman
09:45 AM on 01/04/2011
Welcome to the 4threich, in merika we call it republican/teabaggers.
09:31 AM on 01/04/2011
Is anyone else bored with assan stories?
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GraphicMatt
Somebody make me a sandwich!
10:15 AM on 01/04/2011
YES!!! All the hype for not much of anything.

And hands free 420? How is that possible? I am intrigued? Not even a hand for the lighter? : )
10:20 AM on 01/04/2011
Troll... Assange has nothing to do with this
09:22 AM on 01/04/2011
I can't wait for this thing to be finished. Then we can get those ever elusive photos of BO with his shirt off.
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Pandoras Folly
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08:37 AM on 01/04/2011
The cables say the project had been causing friction with Germany's European Union partners, especially France, which was to be strictly excluded from the project.

They cite French efforts to halt the proposal as "fierce and persistent due to its potential competition with French industry."

I think these are the most interesting lines in the story. Shows the depth at which the EU is still divided.
08:54 AM on 01/04/2011
There is quite a bit of jealously within the EU, particularly in Germany, because France plays by far the biggest role in the EADS aerospace business, controlling the Arianespace orbital launch business and its launch facilities in French Guiana as well as the Thales Alenia Space and Astrium Space Transportation spacecraft businesses and the headquarters and main assembly facilities of the Airbus jetliner business.

There is a view in Germany that France controls an outsized share of the European aerospace industry considering the relative size of the French and German industrial sectors.
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Pandoras Folly
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02:29 PM on 01/04/2011
yeap. do they still have their own carrier force? i know they maintain a seperate stockpile of nukes and the largest scalar field generators known.
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GraphicMatt
Somebody make me a sandwich!
10:17 AM on 01/04/2011
I heard the French scientists kept getting cheesey fingerprints on the lens......just kidding.
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GPaugam
Obama 2012
08:24 AM on 01/04/2011
Do not be surprised when the major powers unite to eradicate wikileaks wherever they may be. Its just a matter of time Assange.
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Pandoras Folly
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08:36 AM on 01/04/2011
too late. the model of how it is to be done is out. and once the cat is out of the bag there is no going back. welcome to the infosphere, everything recorded will be available.
09:10 AM on 01/04/2011
The model has been around for a long time.

In 1990, Tim Berners-Lee wrote an application called WorldWideWeb.

In 1980, Tim Berners-Lee wrong an application called ENQUIRE. This was the first of what we now call a "wiki". The idea was that all of the world's knowledge would be stored in a central database in the form of interlinked "cards" written in hypertext markup that anyone could read and edit. It had all the distinguishing features of a wiki, including a "links pointing here" awareness that wikis have but the Web does not.

Wiki predates Web by a decade (an eternity in computer science), the logical leap being the interlinking of decentralized databases permitted by the Web. But the idea was the same: that everybody should have access to the same vast body of accumulated information.
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Ken Meyering
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09:24 AM on 01/04/2011
I just purchased a little 4-channel TV tuner card (Ceton) that accepts a Comcast CableCard to give my computer every channel that my Comcast DVR gets (this was necessary because Comcast encrypts the news channels in my market and they are not available over ClearQAM).

I bought three 3TB hard drives and stuck them in a $300 external RAID array.

With a single PC, I can record CNN, MSNBC and FOXNEWS simultaneously around the clock 24/7. With a little CUDA-enabled gaming graphics card in the same computer can compress these little hour by hour files into h.264 web video and upload them to Amazon Web Services to stream from my nonprofit site http://fairusetv.org.

The idea is to have a nonprofit website where private citizens can gather to openly discuss and criticize the highly influential mainstream American media in the context of the original clips, which will be available in a non-linear way though an application similar to my non-profit http://videocritter.org captioning application.

The public is so manipulated and controlled by the mainstream media that I think it's only fair that the public be able to constructively analyze and criticize this media from a permanently available nonprofit media archive. Why should each citizen be forced to use their old VHS VCRs to record the news, when I can do it and share it with the world.

Only one problem, the ACLU tells me this would subject me to massive criminal penalties.
09:25 AM on 01/04/2011
That will be a great day. It is the only deterrent for degenerates he// bent on ruining chances for peace among all people.
08:16 AM on 01/04/2011
Yet another 'non story' from the Wikileaks department...
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08:14 AM on 01/04/2011
WikiLeaks: Germany And U.S. Building Secret Spy Project
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Blackstonia
07:42 AM on 01/04/2011
Not interesting, does anyone really think this is some kind of threat to world peace?
07:39 AM on 01/04/2011
The NSA, the CIA and the Gestapo working together, why worry, what could happen?
07:36 AM on 01/04/2011
Never believe a government with no transparency record. A satellite like this is just pure secrecy and only God knows what else s behind it.