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The Most Persistent Myth About The Unemployment Rate

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First Posted: 01/11/11 12:18 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

Every time the government reports that the unemployment rate declined during the previous month, swarms of Internet users say in forums, comment sections and emails that the only reason the jobs situation seemed to improve is because thousands of people had their unemployment insurance benefits cut off.

On Friday, for instance, when the government reported that the unemployment rate fell from 9.8 percent to 9.4 percent, this reporter received an email arguing that the rate is deceptive, "Because 400,000 people with unemployment insurance lost their unemployment insurance benefits in November 2010. These 400,000 were not counted."

This is partly a paranoid conspiracy theory: The idea is that the government is trying to put a positive spin on the economy while it's actually making life harder for people who were laid off through no fault of their own.

Gary Steinberg, spokesman for the Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics, which reports the national unemployment rate on the first Friday of every month, told HuffPost that this is "the most persistent inaccuracy about the monthly unemployment rate."

In fact, the jobless rate is calculated based on survey data, not the unemployment insurance rolls. Roughly one-third of the nearly 15 million unemployed are not receiving benefits in the first place.

"Each month the Census Bureau conducts a survey of 60,000 households," Steinberg said in an email. "Each household provides labor force information on each member of the household. Everyone unemployed is counted as unemployed, no matter how long they have been unemployed. The survey does not ask about unemployment insurance benefits."

The survey does not simply ask respondents to say if the are "employed" or "unemployed," either.

"Respondents are never asked specifically if they are unemployed, nor are they given an opportunity to decide their own labor force status," according to the BLS website. "Similarly, interviewers do not decide the respondents' labor force classification. They simply ask the questions in the prescribed way and record the answers. Based on information collected in the survey and definitions programmed into the computer, individuals are then classified as employed, unemployed, or not in the labor force."

"Last week," an interviewer might ask, "did you have a job, either full or part time? Include any job from which you were temporarily absent."

Another typical question: "Have you been doing anything to find work during the last 4 weeks?"

And the interviewers aren't just phoning it in, Steinberg said. "In the first month of inclusion in the survey, respondents are typically visited in person," he said. "If their phone is disconnected, they are visited again in person."

One reason the myth has legs is that a growing number of long-term unemployed have received up to 99 weeks of benefits without finding work in the worst economy since the Great Depression, and to some, it seems the government is turning its back on them. The Obama administration estimates that 4 million Americans will exhaust extended unemployment benefits in 2011. (Not all of those people will be "99ers," since 99 weeks of benefits are available only in about half the states.) A lot of these folks are extremely active online.

While the connection between the unemployment rate and the number of insurance recipients may be the most persistent myth, Judy Conti, a lobbyist for the National Employment Law Project, says the idea that unemployment benefits stop people from looking for work is the most pernicious. The latter belief has been repeatedly espoused by members of Congress, even though available research doesn't really support it. Making matters worse, several members of Congress appear not to understand the basics of legislation providing additional weeks of benefits.

"I think the one thing these last couple of years have shown us is just how much people don't understand about unemployment and about unemployment insurance," Conti said. "The ignorance runs rampant."

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Every time the government reports that the unemployment rate declined during the previous month, swarms of Internet users say in forums, comment sections and emails that the only reason the jobs situa...
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Kevin Atlanta 01:18 PM on 01/11/2011
Oh there are jobs out there and scams too like the security systems sales that are commissioned only, the insurance sales that are commissioned only and the ever loving pyramid schemes that always seem to pop up in hard economic times.
Having looked for 107 weeks for employment I can tell you that the business world is not creating new jobs, that the manufacturing base of America has left the nation  Read More...
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Jophoenix
12:39 PM on 01/15/2011
I think what happen in Tunisian should happen here!!! We are treated like fools and we act like fools.
That simple.
12:18 AM on 01/15/2011
Arthur - Seriously -- don't you think taking a poll of 60K individuals is a horribly unscientific way of figuring the unemployment rate and the trends? If you think this reasonable, let me point out the wildly divergent results in every imaginable poll between Rasmussen, USA Today, Zogby, etc.
To get an accurate read, examine INITIAL (newly unemployed) CLAIMS. "In the week ending Jan. 8, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 445,000, an increase of 35,000 from the previous week's revised figure of 410,000. The 4-week moving average was 416,500, an increase of 5,500 from the previous week's revised average of 411,000." http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/ui/current.htm
Then look at what is happening long-term. When you run out of "regular" unemployment benefits, you get "State Additional" benefits... and if you are STILL out of work, then the Extended (FEDERAL) benefits kick in. You will have collected for 99 months when everything runs out.
Extended Benefits (12/25) 862,331 (12/18) 929,393 Prior Year 303,871
State Additional Benefits (12/25) 6,549 (12/18) 6,976 Prior Year 2,630
It looks like people are staying unemployed a VERY long time... because there are 250+% more of them THIS year vs LAST year collecting "State Additional Benefits", and about the same percentage collecting "Extended Benefits". Any "surveys" should question only those who have "dropped off". (Plus, the IRS know EXACTLY how many file returns, eh?)
PS - the TREND is UPWARDS.
05:40 PM on 01/14/2011
Huffpost, Is my last post going to be published. There is nothing of a nature that should be censored, unless its felt that a challenge to the "journalist" is asking to much.
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ProgressiveOregonian
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09:44 AM on 01/14/2011
What if a household has no phone? Many who need to keep a roof over their head let the phone go. I know because I needed to do this. What about the people who have become homeless because of this recession and therefore are not surveyed?
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ron ray
mad as heck moderate who won't take it much longer
01:32 PM on 01/13/2011
come now, folks, the major companies we all buy most of our stuff from are doing tons of hiring.

they're just doing it overseas, preferably in dictatorial countries where workers labor cheaply without must worry about retirement, or health care, or worker safety.,

for years now theyve still needed us to buy the stuff they make -- we call that free trade -- but even that is slowly changing, too.

Without a dramatic shift, our economy will soon collapse and our country fail. and it won;'t be because of war, famine or some other good reason. It'll be just because we loved the cheap stuff and paid no attention to the future.
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ran6110
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11:40 AM on 01/13/2011
Are you a 99er or do you know a 99er?

We must make sure the unemployment numbers are accurate and not easily manipulated.

So if you are a 99er they you should still file a claim! Even if you can't collect be sure to be accurately counted!
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Trepasky
Sanity is neither free nor easy
01:43 PM on 01/13/2011
The method used to count the unemployed is 'survey based' It does not count claims to determine the percentage of unemployed. The 'new claims' numbers are just that, new claims for the week.
The implication of the new claims is that more than 400,000 folks lost a job the past week. A healthy number would be about 150,000. Normal population growth needs about 125,000 new jobs a month. All of last years, the new jobs created (1,000,000+) did not even keep up with population growth.
09:51 AM on 01/13/2011
Today.. look out below!
A Labor Department official did note the rebound in benefit claims occurred following the holidays, which may have hindered new applications and created a backlog. Without the seasonal adjustment, claims were up by nearly 200,000 to 770,413.
07:47 PM on 01/12/2011
How are the numbers for new hires arrived at? Anyone know?
05:31 PM on 01/12/2011
This may have been a well-intentioned article, but seems to be hiding the fact that official stats under-report unemployment.
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Robert SF
11:42 PM on 01/13/2011
The government has six different measures, U1 through U6. The one that is the official national unemployment rate is the U3. But the other U figures are there if you like them better.
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GonzoFL
never kick a fresh turd on a hot day
01:45 PM on 01/12/2011
"The ignorance runs rampant."

Of course it does. With 90% employment, there is no interest in us worthless,lazy,drug addicted,unemployed couch potatoes. Just keep sweeping us under the rug....it's keeping us warm.
01:08 PM on 01/13/2011
You forgot to state 'Hobo'.
Seriously, has anyone thought to consider the, (my guess) Millions who have been terminated, and when applying for U.I. are told that they Quit, thus making them ineligible for benefits?
When the person states that they were in fact terminated, U.I. states they will investigate the matter and get back to them.
After a week w/ no return call, the call backs from the person begins...
...still checking
...still checking
...still checking
"It's been a month since you quit, and it's too late to file an investigation.
You should have called sooner. Sorry, but there's nothing I can do."
(then the really good part) "Is there anything else I can help you with"?
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nacakis1
living abroad and loving it!
09:13 PM on 01/13/2011
you can challenge the charge through the unemployment agency and sue the employer
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Robert SF
11:44 PM on 01/13/2011
Nah... If that were happening, especially to millions, it would be a story by now.
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05:53 PM on 01/13/2011
Dude...shuv your head up your backside man. Stop talkin' all this noise and get a clue.
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GonzoFL
never kick a fresh turd on a hot day
08:48 PM on 01/13/2011
Dude.....shuv your head up your backside man...and go Fark yourself
02:07 AM on 01/14/2011
This is an open forum, and if there are too many sentences for you to follow...
...or we could play your game; you drive a mustang, green fixer upper w/ a orange door. It is a convertible, but sadly the tops ripped. but that's cool as you always keep the top down so when you cruise the truck stops all the lot lizards can gaze upon that 'Keith Stone' mullet of yours sticking above the windshield.
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logicanada
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01:06 PM on 01/12/2011
Each month the Census Bureau conducts a survey of 60,000 households," Steinberg said in an email.

Yeah. Anyone here ever been "surveyed ? Didn't think so.
01:38 PM on 01/12/2011
Not me or anyone I know thats willing to share accounts of this top secret project.
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FreeProgressLiberal
02:00 PM on 01/12/2011
I doubt they are being surveyed...

Someone more than likely is throwing darts at a map and calling it complete
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11:45 AM on 01/12/2011
Why go through all these gyrations/manipulations? Why do 'surveys' to get numbers they already have?

They know how many people they send money to... They know the number of people of working age in this country.... DO THE SIMPLE EQUATION AND PRESENT THE NUMBER!

Its all this U-3, U-6, 'survey' stuff that makes me disbelieve the number that are presented. By going through this many manipulations it is GURRENTEED that the number will not match the number of people that receive benefits vs the employable population.
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J0E1
Phil Hill 2012
11:51 AM on 01/12/2011
Wow, this article flew right over your head huh?  That's the whole point of the article.  Surveys are MORE accurate than the data the government has.  The reason?  Not every unemployed person in this country receives unemployment benefits.  If we only counted those that receive benefits as being unemployed then the number would be much lower.
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FreeProgressLiberal
02:01 PM on 01/12/2011
... Not every unemployed person in this country receives the survey
01:18 PM on 01/13/2011
It's a way to extrapolate known numbers.
11:28 AM on 01/12/2011
"I think the one thing these last couple of years have shown us is just how much people don't understand about unemployment and about unemployment insurance," Conti said. "The ignorance runs rampant."

This writer had every opportunity to educate the masses about unemployment and unemployment insurance with the article and dispell the myths and it failed...miserably. Without accurate data and education about UI we will never get the much need legislation passed as even congress does not understand it, nor will future employers end the growing discrimination against the unemployed. As long as the general perceived notion about the unemployed is that they are lazy and just sitting on their buttoms collecting a free check and desperate enough that they might steal from their new employer then unemployment will continue to rise and and our ecomomy will continue to decline. I do not consider a phone survey of 60,000 amongst millions to be "accurate" information.
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drwtsn
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11:50 PM on 01/12/2011
Actually, the writer did give pretty specific information about the "unemployment" number, and did educate me (I thought it was based on those receiving benefits). He perhaps could have expanded more on the perception that the unemployed are "lazy", but that would require stating an opinion (I doubt that they have numbers to back up their perception), and the writer seems more interested in facts than opinions. As far as accuracy, a survey of 1000 people has an accuracy of 3%, so I'm sure a survey of 60,000 is accurate to less than .5% (sorry, my statistics is rusty, can't be more specific), so if they say unemplpoyment is 10% it could be anywhere from 9.95% to 10.05%.
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drwtsn
Could I please get an upgrade to a macro-bio?
01:47 AM on 01/13/2011
Upon further consideration, that .5% accuracy should be applied to the whole 100% of the population, so if they say unemploym­ent is 10% it could be anywhere from 9.5% to 10.5%.
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Eva fate
08:26 PM on 01/14/2011
This is true. If I could tell every american one fact about unemployment, it's that to continue receiving benefits after about a month, you have to list at least 2 places you applied, including an address and telephone number so that this information can be verified if it seems suspicious.
Most unemployed people are actively looking for jobs. There just aren't enough jobs for all the unemployed people.
What's more frustrating is that people also don't understand that the unemployment rate varies strongly from city to city, and that unemployed people usually can't afford to move. One thing that could be done to help the unemployed in this country is to grab some buses and fill them with unemployed people who have a particular type of skill or experience, and send them to that place with a temporary place to stay... homes that have been on the market after forclosures and are vacant could be used for this purpose.
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wendynyc
It's about time!
10:53 AM on 01/12/2011
The Republicans want Obama to be a one-term President!
11:02 AM on 01/12/2011
Right. Didn't the Democrats want Bush to be a one term president? hasn't that always been the case? These are opposing parties...
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ron ray
mad as heck moderate who won't take it much longer
01:35 PM on 01/13/2011
true, but politicans used to put country first before political gain. the goal of a strong economy and strong employment was more important than beating the other guy. Only this class of GOP office holders has openly declared their first and overriding mission is to make obama fail.
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J0E1
Phil Hill 2012
11:53 AM on 01/12/2011
Really?  I thought the republican party would actively campaign for Obama in 2012... I'm so embarrassed.
10:25 AM on 01/12/2011
So if your phone has been cut off then you don't get counted?

Sounds about right....
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okradingle
11:42 AM on 01/12/2011
No. They visit you in person.
01:36 PM on 01/12/2011
Yeah we've all heard allot about the census visits to all the rising homeless communities right???