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Justices To Pot Users: Be Careful When You Flush

MARK SHERMAN   01/12/11 04:08 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court isn't given to offering advice to people who are breaking the law, even in a minor way. But some justices on Wednesday effectively told those who might be sitting at home smoking pot when the police come knocking: Do not flush the toilet.

Because if officers smell the pot from the outside, think the occupants are trying to get rid of it and burst in without a search warrant to prevent evidence from being destroyed, some justices indicated they would approve.

The discussion arose during the court's consideration of a case about when the police can enter a home without a search warrant, which the Constitution normally requires.

There are exceptions, and the state of Kentucky argued that its treatment of Hollis King should be one such exception.

The issue for the justices is whether police action – in this case, a knock on a door – that triggers a reaction on the other side – like noise that suggests destruction of evidence – should justify the warrantless entry.

New Justice Elena Kagan said she worries the court could make it too easy for police to avoid the time and effort of getting warrant "in a very wide variety of cases." She said that view would require only that officers said they smelled "pot, we heard noise."

Yet several justices suggested that as long as the police reasonably suspect something illegal is going on and do not use deception or illegal means to gain entry, the search probably doesn't violate the Constitution.

Justice Antonin Scalia said the better response to the police knock is to respond and, if officers ask to come in, say "'Oh, heck, no, you can't come in; do you have a warrant?"

In King's case, he was entertaining two friends at his apartment in Lexington, Ky., on an early fall night in 2005. No one disputes that there was pot and a small amount of cocaine.

But police might never have known this were it not for a nearby undercover operation in which an informant purchased crack cocaine from a dealer. When the dealer entered King's apartment building, the police moved in to arrest him.

They heard a door slam in a hallway, but by the time they were able to look down it, they saw only two closed doors.

Their quarry had entered the door on the right. The police went left, after smelling the aroma of burnt pot coming from that door.

After they knocked, the officers said they heard noises they thought might indicate that evidence was being destroyed.

So they kicked in King's door, and finding the drugs, arrested King and his friends. King pleaded guilty to drug charges, but the Kentucky Supreme Court threw out the evidence against him and the conviction, ruling that the police did not have cause to burst into his home without a warrant.

The state court said the police cannot rely on urgent circumstances they themselves create to enter a home without a warrant.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wondered why police didn't get a warrant since the odor probably gave them reason to get one. "Instead of knocking, because once they knock they alert the people in there, let's get a warrant. We'll come back," Ginsburg said.

But Scalia was not showing any sympathy to King. With feigned outrage, he accused the police of "taking advantage of the stupidity of the criminals."

"That's terrible, that's not fair, is it?" he asked archly.

A decision is expected by early summer.

It was not mentioned in court Wednesday, but the police eventually found the suspected drug dealer in the apartment on the right. Prosecutors later dropped charges against him for reasons that are not explained in court papers.

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WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court isn't given to offering advice to people who are breaking the law, even in a minor way. But some justices on Wednesday effectively told those who might be sitting ...
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01:44 AM on 01/18/2011
How much Cocaine did they find?
RTIII
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07:49 PM on 01/17/2011
This article is horrifficaly titled - it's REALLY about the key question about probable cause.
09:47 AM on 01/16/2011
There was a ground floor apartment around the corner from where I lived in Hollywood that always reeked of pot. I was walking my dog by there one night and saw a family of skunks scamper into the bushes. Does this variable nix the olfactory probable cause argument? It did to me.
RTIII
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07:51 PM on 01/17/2011
What you proved to yourself is that you don't really know if your first sentence was correct.
03:41 PM on 01/20/2011
Exactly!
09:17 PM on 01/15/2011
what is a crime?a crime can be a civil matter or a crime.you cant have one without the other,to our police officers article vi[6] of the constitution.the oath
08:46 PM on 01/15/2011
They couldn't get the real criminal across the hall so they might as well bust and try to convict the pot smoker. What a joke, legalize it already.
08:44 PM on 01/15/2011
Scalia's statements depend on his definition of a criminal. To me a criminal is somebody who commits crimes with the intention of violating the law for the sake of causing harm to individuals, property or society as a whole. Generally when people smoke marijuana they are not doing it for the purpose of causing harm, just simply participating in a recreational activity. just because they are violating the law by doing that it does not make them criminals. Beyond that, even if they are criminals that doesn't mean they lose the protection of the fourth amendment.

Ironically, the best advice in the article also comes from justice Scalia. Assuming the police don't have probable cause, which is generally defined as being informed that something illegal is going on, seeing (or smelling or hearing) something illegal themselves, witnessing you trying to hide an item, or seeing you running from them, then they need a warrant to enter your property.

The best response is to exit your own apartment, close and lock the door behind you carrying your key, speaking to them outside of your property. If the police ask to come in, generally you should politely respond that you will only allow them to do that if they have a warrant. Ask the officers if you're free to go, and if they say so, go back inside. If you are smoking marijuana, you're most likely to get caught because of a noise complaint, so please use common sense out there people.
07:26 PM on 01/15/2011
Another reason to legalize Pot, it really is the safest, least costly way to end the total miscarriage of justice. Pot is just a weed used by many cultures in very similar ways to cigarette smoking.
Not a smoker but the idea that the US arrests a pot user every 32 seconds is very disturbing.
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laaambchop
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04:12 PM on 01/15/2011
Justice Antonin Scalia said the better response to the police knock is to respond and, if officers ask to come in, say "'Oh, heck, no, you can't come in; do you have a warrant?"

He sounded high, so we kicked the door in...
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laaambchop
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04:09 PM on 01/15/2011
"The issue for the justices is whether police action – in this case, a knock on a door – that triggers a reaction on the other side – like noise that suggests destruction of evidence – should justify the warrantless entry."

isn't that why we flush? to destroy the evidence?

this is NUTS...way too much speculation going on here!
05:23 PM on 01/17/2011
Agreed.

The authoritarian methods of the state used to intrude on our lives have long been beyond outrageous, in my opinion. They are NUTS!
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DTree
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03:35 PM on 01/15/2011
It's ironic that Kentucky once had a thriving hemp industry - one of the most lucrative in the nation - but is now a state with some of the harshest penalties for possession and cultivation.

It wasn't that long ago, that our nation cultivated hemp (which does not get you high) for all its valuable industrial uses.

Its a shame that we are missing out on *any* economic opportunities during these tough times. America could have a thriving home-grown textile industry, and states like Kentucky would benefit greatly by updating our very impractical and misguided laws on hemp cultivation.
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RockyMissouri
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12:28 AM on 01/19/2011
Fanned...absolutely....
IWantTofu
Evolution. Now a political position.
01:20 PM on 01/15/2011
Possession of pot is illegal. The smell of pot being smoked is a reasonable indicator that pot is there. Sure cops can lie, but that is a different issue from the one being discussed. Takiing that falacious argument to its logical conclusion, cops shouldn't give out traffic tickets because some cops lie.

For the person that points out that the cops were chasing a crackhead and shouldn't have followed the pot smell lead, cops are allowed to address several crimes at a time. It's not a situation where they are working on one crime, and therefore any other crime occurring has to be ignored.

I strongly believe that pot possession penalties should be reduced, but until then, you do the crime and get caught, you do the time. Cops shouldn't be going around selectively enforcing laws.
05:29 PM on 01/17/2011
Why should pot penalties be reduced? They should be abolished. Do I not own my body? Does the government really have the moral authority to use force against those who choose to use drugs? I do not think that they do.

For those who wish to live in a drug free society, perhaps they should voluntarily create one. And leave people who don't want to participate in the drug war alone.
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hopefulidealist
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11:47 PM on 01/20/2011
Government and moral authority in the same sentence....HA.
Why isnt this straightforward and obvious? Its black & white. Alcohol and cigs are legal, yet pot isnt? The addiction to both ruins millions of lives every year,whether it's accidents, addiction itself, cancers or other diseases. When has pot ever killed anyone? It should not be illegal. Period. Legalize!
RTIII
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07:57 PM on 01/17/2011
Cops go around selectively enforcing the laws all the time. If they didn't, they'd never get to where they're going - no serious investigations would ever happen - because along their way, they'd see tens and more crimes as they drive enroute. Don't believe me? Go ask a cop.
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12:24 PM on 01/15/2011
You would think kicking down a door over the smell of pot could be more dangerous then the time they would get if any for pot possession. Wouldn't it be sad if people got shot over a joint?
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11:52 AM on 01/15/2011
"The state court said the police cannot rely on urgent circumstances they themselves create to enter a home without a warrant."

This is another part of the case that seems to go unnoticed. The Police set up the circumstances that caused the original chase that led the police into the building...Justice Ginsburg said they should have obtained a warrant when they smelled the pot outside the apartment...

That aside, they later found the original suspect being chased, but dropped the charges for reasons not listed in the court papers...So...were they "really" chasing a crack dealer or was that just a made up excuse to circumvent the laws to invade a residence they suspected of using pot?
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behavingbadly
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11:37 AM on 01/15/2011
Scalia becomes a greater embarrassment to the court with each passing day. In another year, Thomas will start to seem like the smarter one of the pair.
10:48 AM on 01/15/2011
The police kicked in a door to a private residence and found American citizens smoking marijuana!
Well done officers. I for one will sleep soundly tonight knowing how much safer I am that the police without warrant kick in doors and incarcerate marijuana smokers. Isn't it wonderful?