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Lawmakers And The Crazy Laws They Want To Pass In The Wake Of Tucson Tragedy


First Posted: 01/13/11 06:56 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

When House Majority Leader John Boehner suspended legislative activity in the House of Representatives following the mass murder in Tucson, Ariz., it was a laudable and thoughtful move. He had previously offered that, "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve," and by calling for a legislative pause, he reinforced a moment that called for comity. Potentially tendentious legislative debates could wait a week, as legislators took some time to soothe their frayed psyches and show support for their fallen colleague. But there's been one practical benefit of the break, and that's the fact that no one is moving forward with legislation that's primarily founded in the fact that everyone is freaking right the hell out.

It may, and probably should, come to pass that the events of the past week will result in a thoughtful examination of the incident, leading to the patient and methodical crafting of sensible policy that might help to prevent such incidents in the future. And it might be a difficult road to tread -- sometimes there's just nothing you can do to fix something, no matter how hard you want to. But a slow and thoughtful process that goes nowhere is infinitely preferable to rushing to pass the first crazy law that you barfed out of your brainpan while stewing in a broth of worry, adrenaline, and panic.

And believe me, I can sympathize with what many of these legislators are enduring. When something breaks in my life, I want to fix it immediately. And I'm just the type of person who'll forgo the perfect, sensible solution that takes 72 hours to enact in favor of some half-assed plan that took me 15 minutes to come up with in a wild flail of nerves.

Dave Weigel, noting that "[a]fter some tragedies, there have been instant surges of support for legislation sold as preventative," reports Thursday that a grand debate over the Tucson shootings has nevertheless failed to coalesce. "Some members tactfully explained that discussion like this could wait for another day," he relates, adding, "Others reacted to the question as if they'd been asked whether there should be stiffer regulations on what kind of shoes dragons are allowed to wear." Overall, his take on the matter makes it hard to believe that something significant might get enacted. But that doesn't mean there aren't people who don't want to get something well-intended-but-plainly-stupid passed! Let's run those down:

Peter King: 1,000 Foot Gun-Free Halo For Lawmakers.
Why It's Well Intended: Because no one wants to see lawmakers shot with guns.
Why It's Stupid: In a world where elite lawmakers accuse other elite lawmakers of elitism from their elite perches at elite legislative bodies and elite think tanks, should we pass a law giving them all the right to a 1,000 foot halo where none may carry a gun? Jon Stewart asks the pertinent question: "Can the rest of us get one of those thousand foot gun free perimeters?" Let's not forget: Many of the people impacted by Jared Lee Loughner's killing spree were us common folk.

The other question Stewart asks is "How is that supposed to work, exactly?" I mean, it's a neat law! It reminds me of that time Congress wanted to pass a law that made it illegal to be a terrorist and be in America. You think: "Wow. Game change! I bet those murderers never counted on doing that!" The law seems unenforceable. It also seems like a law-abiding citizen could find himself accidentally ensnared in King's 1,000 foot dragnet zone. Besides, don't some lawmakers enjoy coming within 1,000 feet of other people with guns? Ben Domenech makes perfect sense:

Conservative politicians routinely participate in hunting and gun range activities -- I've gone shooting with a number of Governors and Senators -- and the idea that people in their vicinity and beyond (1,000 feet is quite a ways) could be arrested simply for legally possessing a firearm is incredibly silly and a recipe for all sorts of violations of this law.

Schools, airports, and government buildings where restrictions apply on gun possession are all set in a single place -- they aren't roving locations where the Second Amendment does not apply. In contrast, King's law would create bubbles of illegality around politicians themselves! What would happen when a Texas Congressman attends a county fair? You'd have to arrest the attendees from the Ferris Wheel all the way to the Cotton Candy stand.

Side note: it's already quite illegal to kill a Congressperson with a gun.

Bob Brady: Everyone Has To Stop Using Violent Words.
Why It's Well Intended: Because people would like to have a healthier discourse that's not about tyranny and the need to murder people because they have differences on marginal tax rates and stuff.
Why It's Stupid: Civility, I'm afraid, is just not going to be achieved by legislative fiat. And since Brady specifically cites "bull's eyes or crosshairs" as something he'd regulate, this call for civility seems to have a creeping incivility at its core. You might as well call this bill the "I Don't Think We've Sufficiently Stuck It To Sarah Palin Act of 2010."

I think that just about every reasonable person would welcome it if our lawmakers chose to elevate their level of discourse and put some distance between themselves and these bad days of hyper-hyperbolic rhetoric. But even if everyone's on their best behavior, you're still going to have party strategists' "target" districts, and opponents in a debate will continue to "take shots" and "fire back." Besides, if you think that it's impossible for a political figure to take an imaginary insult and get the media to treat it as if something despicable has happened in the discourse: think again.

But, the operative word here is "choose." We live in a nation where free people make free choices about the way they use their free speech, and we're the better for it. I'll reiterate my offer: if any political figure wants help in getting shot of the war/guns/battle metaphors in favor of images that more positively depict your toughness and commitment, hit me up and I'll help. But I don't make that offer to stifle speech, I make it to expand it.

If we have to take some sort of non-binding Pledge To Do Better, why not try out Greg Sargent's 9 point "Truce between the right and left," which he offers up today? Really, these days I'd be happy if we all just agreed to offer to jumpstart each other's cars, regardless of what political stickers are on the bumper. I mean, that would be a great place to start getting along again.

Given the fact that this tragedy is now at the forefront in our minds, colliding with our misgivings about the political discourse, it's fair for us to go forward and make our own judgments about what people do and say. We can give extra points to the political figures who elevate their game and demerits to those who don't. But let's let them make their own choices. Some people prefer that things be left unspoken, but I'd rather everything be out in the open. Besides, I'd rather catch the scent of a madman a mile away, than find out only after they get the power to compel soldiers to carry out their psychosis.

Louis Gohmert: Let's let lawmakers carry guns inside the Capitol!
Why It's Well Intended: I guess the idea is that people would be deterred from gun crime against legislators if they thought their legislators were strapped?
Why It's Stupid: You know, there are nations on this Earth where people like Louis Gohmert would routinely lose elections to balloon animals. But in Texas, where Gohmert's from, it's legal to just straight up stroll around the halls of power carrying your Glock. So he'd like to bring that practice to the Capitol.

Part of what Gohmert wants to do is provide a measure of self-protection to lawmakers who walk home through a thicket of ambush journalists, who would probably back down at the sight of a gun. But Gohmert wants these gun allowances extended to the floor of the House of Representatives. This seems to me to be a bad idea! I mean, these are the legislators who abuse Twitter on the House floor. For that reason alone, maybe take some baby steps before we give them guns, too. (Also, there is the whole "poisoned political discourse" thing!)

James Clyburn: Let's bring back the Fairness Doctrine!
Why It's Well Intended: Don't really know. People like "fairness," I guess? Also, radio in D.C. has been complete crap since WHFS went off the air.
Why It's Stupid: Oh, lord. The fairness doctrine. Imposed in 1949, the Fairness Doctrine mandated that the scarcity of media resources made it necessary that FCC license holders allow competing points of view to have equal time and access. In practice, the Fairness Doctrine was always tricky to enforce, and so in 1987 it was done away with. Just about no one has been less interested in bringing back the Fairness Doctrine than President Obama and FCC Chair Julius Genachowski, but that hasn't stopped the right from manufacturing some utterly fake, paranoid firestorms about the White House forcing Rush Limbaugh to give equal time to Keith Olbermann on all the radios, or something.

Clyburn, in reopening this can of worms, is only going to add fuel to that paranoia, and from there, what do you get? More crazy fear-mongering! And if you believe that fear-mongering leads to more violence, well, then, you see where this chain of logic leads, don't you? And all for a policy that hasn't been in place for decades, and which wouldn't have impacted the actions of Jared Lee Loughner in any meaningful way.

Do we have anything on offer that actually makes a lick of sense? I'd direct your attention to Rep. Carolyn McCarthy's bill to ban the high-capacity clip that Loughner used. I'm typically loathe to target law-abiding citizens in a lowest-common denominator hunt for problem solving -- gun owners and New York City Muslims alike -- but McCarthy has successfully advanced sensible gun control measures along bipartisan lines before, and there's nothing to suggest that any lawful activity you can currently perform with a gun would be diminished for the want of a high-capacity clip.

Via Josh Harkinson at Mother Jones, here's a chart that chronicles the way high-capacity clips have been used in mass-murder incidents, dating back to 1989:

Will Wilkinson and I probably part ways on the matter of considering a ban on extended magazines, but I see a lot of wisdom, nonetheless, in his "case for doing nothing":

We may badly want to do something, but we will be better off in the end if we hug our jerking knees and find our cool. The ordinary operation of the criminal-justice system is enough for now. If you've got to do something, why not tell a pundit or politician yammering on about background checks or forced institutionalisation to please shut up, since it's just too soon for reason to prevail.


Act in haste, repent in a swamp of stupid, unenforceable laws that bring a ton of unintended consequences.

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When House Majority Leader John Boehner suspended legislative activity in the House of Representatives following the mass murder in Tucson, Ariz., it was a laudable and thoughtful move. He had previou...
When House Majority Leader John Boehner suspended legislative activity in the House of Representatives following the mass murder in Tucson, Ariz., it was a laudable and thoughtful move. He had previou...
 
 
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02:19 PM on 01/18/2011
Locks on a door, keep only honest people out.
Honest people without guns, allow crazies to enter.
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drillsgtmark
I don't know but I've been told...
09:54 AM on 01/17/2011
At what cost to the public are they willing to pay for the proposed legislation, and 2nd is there enough political will? Political will, maybe, difficult to judge, the price of programs including mental health, I don't think the public is ready to pay the cost.
09:29 AM on 01/17/2011
I was shocked to read this article on HuffPo! Finally an article on this site with which I could actually and wholeheartedly agree! Bravo!
11:40 PM on 01/16/2011
I hate to say this, but perhaps the debate should end right now by realizing that every once in awhile someone gets shot. Its sad. But it happens. As long as it is not a common occurrence I think that we should focus our energies in more important places.
07:09 PM on 01/15/2011
Gun control?

If only Penguins could talk. The six panels tell it all.

check it out.

http://thismodernworld.com
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The One True Dave
Liberal, apatheist, disabled combat vet.
02:52 PM on 01/15/2011
When you realize that a 15-round magazine has been the standard for most semi-auto han.dgu.ns for decades now, the number of incidents involving "high capacity" magazines in the Mother Jones chart shown in the article drops to 6 at most. I love my MoJo, but I wish they'd apply their usual standards of research to this issue, as well.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:16 PM on 01/15/2011
Actually, "high capacity" magazines go back more than 100 years. Mags for some old Lugers were as high as 32 cartridges in the early 1900s and some high cap mags predate those, going back to the earliest days of semi-auto firearms.
01:33 PM on 01/15/2011
First think deeply
Second do no harm
third think again
and remember the same mentality that is on the street is in congress and every state legislature
HopeWFaith
We the People
12:45 PM on 01/15/2011
It is remarkable that King is still in Congress after so many errors in judgement. That said, many with bad judgement and greedy habits are still in Congress, acting like the only people out here are the filthy rich boys, dressed in suits. They likely have their own guns.
Banning all automatic weapons and any related magazines would be the way to extensively limit mass destruction shootings. The correct action is to severely prohibit gun sales to anyone, from stores or shows, implementing extensive background checks before any purchases are possible. If you have nothing in your history to stop you from owning a gun, then what do you have to fear? In addition, patrol stops specifically for searches of weapons should be implemented across the nation, quarterly. Labeling all guns and ammo with traceable numbering would greatly help in solving crime.
Inaction is just a display of ignorant, dig your head in the sand methods. Inaction offers no help, no method of making our homes, towns, market places safer.Time is the only inconvenience. Lives are worth more than a few days of inconvenience while checking a person's history.
Manufacturers have too much power over Congress. Greed and power keep guns running through the halls of schools, highways across the US, and the streets of cities who are not equipped to handle the people who carry them. We've an abundance of cowards who only wish to line their pockets and keep their jobs in Congress. Man up you wusses.
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buckydumpster
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01:54 PM on 01/15/2011
Fanned. Nuff said.
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Chris Long
03:30 PM on 01/15/2011
I have three guns in my home and underwent a background check when I purchased each one. Maybe it is not the same in all states but, in Ohio a background check is done on every sale. Also, guns do have traceable serial numbers already. It could be interesting if the rifling characteristics would be stored like fingerprints ? The problem with that idea is that the criminals would then alter the fingerprint. I truly hope that I never need a gun, however I would not hesitate to use one in the instance of a home invasion etc. Simply put, I would much rather have a gun and never need it than to need a gun and not have it.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:18 PM on 01/15/2011
Rifling marks are indeed used forensically, but there are serious limitations to this. Normal wear and cleaning can and will alter these marks and they are easy to alter intentionally. Others have tried databases for these things, but they end up costing incredible amounts of money and giving almost no results.
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MDhome
lets make it a crime to lie while campaigning for
12:16 PM on 01/15/2011
Louis Gohmert: Let's let lawmakers carry guns inside the Capitol!
I am thinking if some lawmaker will interrupt the state of the union speech with "you lie" maybe if they were packing heat it would only be a matter of time till one of them opened fire, hey maybe that would start a civil war inside the capitol and half of the congress would end up dead, is that a bad idea?
07:12 PM on 01/15/2011
Mars Attacks - anyone?
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03:20 PM on 01/16/2011
When you say Gohmert,"You have said it all"
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Chris Long
12:08 PM on 01/15/2011
We are now buried in "laws" There is no law that will prevent crazy srewballs from doing crazy things. Go take a look at your local arraignment court room. It is overflowing every day mostly with the same people over and over and over. There should be a "law" to prevent this eh ?? Good luck with that.
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11:01 AM on 01/15/2011
In the old days, political rhetoric in the U.S. was just as vile or viler than it is today. And people carried guns, too. But guns hadn't been turned into a sexual totem, a substitute for manliness/power. While we're busy berating politicians for heating things up, we should also be looking at the entertainment industry, which has used the gun as a convenient way to amp up its product.
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buckydumpster
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09:38 AM on 01/15/2011
"and there's nothing to suggest that any lawful activity you can currently perform with a gun would be diminished for the want of a high-capacity clip."

Alright, there it is. Explain this to me gun advocates. Are you going to take on our military? You're going to need more than a high capacity clip. Do you want to purchase an aircraft carrier at your next gun show? How about a nuclear submarine with multiple nuke head options?

Tell us why you need high clip capacity to ensure your freedom.
11:34 AM on 01/17/2011
It's not about needing a high-capacity clip, it's about the poorly reasoned argument against them. The chart itself shows how multiple 15-round magazines substitute for single 30-round clips.

If 30 is too many, how many is enough? 15? When that doesn't prevent a tragedy, does it become 10? What happens when that doesn't work?

The reason gun advocates aren't supportive of such bans is not typically to protect their desire to own a high-capacity magazine (or insert other "dangerous" item), but instead is a product of their understanding that such bans are ineffective and arbitrary. As history has shown, when such bans prove ineffective the reaction is for gun control advocates to call for more restrictions instead of accepting the fact that bans don't work.
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buckydumpster
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08:43 PM on 01/21/2011
So we should impose no limitations on any weapons or clip size? Is that the solution? Are you saying there is no problem?
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yougg
just a citizen
08:34 AM on 01/15/2011
The chart listing the dead, weapons, and the magazines was a real eyeopener. One thing that the chart did not address is the the shooters mental issues. Our mental health system is marginal. Back in the early 1980's the process of being able to commit somebody changed drastically. Mr Loughtner appears like he has had issues with his mental health for a long time,probably since birth. Mental illness is a tough one. There is a certain amount of shame with it. It is a condition that requires constant monotioring. Loughtner was an adult. After one becomes an adult there are limited options on what can be done. You cannot force them into treatment. I feel sorry for his parents. Their house must have been hell. I know plenty of people who own guns and they are responsible gun owners. We have to make owning a gun more difficult-especially hand guns.
01:32 AM on 01/15/2011
This is why I, as a liberal, am disappointed with Obama and the other conservaDems. Most liberals would like to do away with most of the Patriot Act.
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01:06 AM on 01/15/2011
People who get defensive about the right to bear arms usually mention the fact that the Second Amendment was passed to guarantee citizens rights to overthrow a tyrannical government, if that ever came to pass. Our Founding Fathers may have had the right idea for the days of yonder, yet in today's environment I can't possibly see regular citizens armed enough to defeat the US Military Complex, let alone a tyrannical government. 

I always though that if you reside in a farm where your closest neighbor , or the nearest sheriff might be miles away, the right to own a gun made some degree of sense as a means of defending your family (I was born, raised, and lived in large cities all my life). But I must say we have so many massacres time and time again that I'm not sure the Amendment is doing a lot of good for an awful lot of people...