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New Astrological Dates: Parke Kunkle Stunned By Attention

JOCELYN NOVECK and CHRIS WILLIAMS   01/14/11 06:56 PM ET   AP

New Astrological Signs

Sofia Whitcombe began her day with the startling realization that she might not be exactly who she thought she was.

"My whole life, I thought I was a Capricorn," the 25-year-old publicist said. "Now I'm a Sagittarius? I don't feel like a Sagittarius!" It felt, she said, like a rug had been pulled from under her feet.

"Will my personality change?" she mused. "Capricorns are diligent and regimented, and super-hard-working like me. Sagittarians are more laid back. This is all a little off-putting."

Countless people reacted on social networks Friday to the "news" that the stars have shifted alignment, astrologically speaking. No matter that the astronomy instructor who started it all in a weekend newspaper interview said it was an old story – very old; 2,000 years old, actually – and that astrologists were insisting it wouldn't change a thing. The story had traveled around the blogosphere like, well, a shooting star.

Some people seemed angry. "I believe it's a zodiac scam," said Jose Arce, a 38-year-old from Fort Lee, N.J., who runs a body shop. "I've known myself to be a Sagittarius, I believe, since I was born. So to come up now with some new sign? It's unacceptable!"

But others weren't so ready to curse the stars. Kathy Torpey always felt like she was "a Scorpio trapped in a Sagittarian body" – emotional and creative, she said, more than competitive and intellectual like Sagittarians.

So on Friday, even though she pays little heed to horoscopes, Torpey said she was thrilled to discover that she may have always been a Scorpio, after all.

"You have no idea what relief and joy I felt after hearing the wonderful news of the zodiac changes," wrote the 43-year-old mother of two from Willow Grove, Pa., in an e-mail, tongue-in-cheek to be sure. "Up until now, I felt like my whole life has been a lie!"

Astrologers across the country reported a wave of calls, e-mails or website hits from concerned clients. "People are more attached and loyal to their signs than they thought," said Eric Francis, editor of PlanetWaves.net, who said he had had 25,000 hits on his site since midnight. "It's interesting how many people are panicking their sign is wrong."

Astounded by all the kerfuffle was the man who started it, astronomy instructor Parke Kunkle.

In an interview Sunday in the Star Tribune of Minneapolis, Kunkle had explained that the Earth's wobbly orbit means it's no longer aligned to the stars in the same way as when the signs of the zodiac were first conceived, about 5,000 years ago. That means, Kunkle said, that when astrologers say the sun is in Pisces, it's really in Aquarius, and so on.

"Astronomers have known about this since about 130 B.C.," Kunkle told The Associated Press Friday in his office at the Minneapolis Community and Technical College, his phone ringing constantly, as it had since the article came out. (One person had even demanded: "Give me my sign back.")

"This is not new news. Almost every astronomy class talks about it."

New news or old, most people had never heard it before. And one of the more fascinating elements of the story was talk of a new sign altogether.

By the reckoning of Kunkle and other astronomers, astrologers are not only a month off in their zodiac signs, but they are neglecting a 13th constellation, Ophiuchus (Ooh-FEE-yew-kus) the Serpent Bearer, for those born from Nov. 30 to Dec. 17.

According to myth, Ophiuchus became a healer when he killed a snake and another appeared with an herb in his mouth that revived the dead one, said Amy Sayle, an astronomy educator at the Moorehead Planetarium at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

Mary-Iris Taylor, a writer in St. Louis, had seen the story of Kunkle's zodiac on TV, but on Friday, she read a link a friend had posted on Facebook and realized she was an Ophiuchus.

And what, she wondered, did that mean?

"I'd just like to know what I'm supposed to be like now," she said. "As a Sagittarius, I was supposed to be the life of the party – at least, that's what I wanted it to mean," she laughed. "Now what?"

According to many astrologists, she shouldn't worry.

Linda Zlotnick, an astrologer for 32 years in St. Paul, Minn., said she and fellow astrologers have long known of the issue raised by Kunkle, but that the most commonly used zodiac – tropical – isn't affected by it. Zlotnick said the sidereal zodiac, which isn't as widely used, IS based on the constellations.

Other astrologers expressed resentment that the brouhaha had been launched by an astronomer.

While astronomy is a science, astrology is not recognized as having any scientific basis. "This is an attempt to show ignorance on the part of astrologers," said Jim Sher, who runs an astrological institute in Los Angeles.

"We do know about this," he said of the planetary wobble. Added Craig Martin, another Los Angeles astrologer: "It's unlikely the astrology community is going to accept what an astronomer is trying to put on them."

A spokeswoman for the American Federation of Astrologers, Shelley Ackerman, said she'd been swamped with e-mails from worried clients. She advises them not to overreact.

"This doesn't change your chart at all. I'm not about to use it," she said. "Every few years a story like this comes out and scares the living daylights out of everyone, but it'll go away as quickly as it came."

That should make one demographic pretty happy – people who have zodiac tattoos.

Sam Bielinski, who owns Atomic Tattoos in Milwaukee, estimated that one in five customers asks for a zodiac tattoo, making the art among the most popular requests.

"I think most people are going to brush it off," he said of the new zodiac.

In that camp, for now, is Heather McGowan, a student from Winnipeg, Manitoba, who's had a red Aries symbol in a black maple leaf tattooed between her shoulders since she was 19.

"Go figure – seven years later there's a possibility that I am no longer an Aries," quipped McGowan, 26, though she said she remains unconvinced and hasn't considered getting rid of the tattoo.

One astrology follower said that in her native India the reaction may be stronger because astrology holds more importance there. Shirrin Kumana said her Indian friends, chatting on Facebook, had mixed emotions.

There was skepticism – and perhaps a little entrepreneurial practicality – at a spiritual bookstore on Philadelphia's South Street, Garland of Letters. Owner Candace Smith said she thought all the discussion over astrological signs would probably be good for business.

"Isn't it bizarre?" said Smith, who doesn't give out her sign. "I can't wait to talk to my astrologer. He must be going crazy."

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Noveck, a Leo/Cancer, reported from New York and Williams, a Virgo/Leo, from Minneapolis. Dinesh Ramde in Milwaukee (Virgo/Virgo), Erin Vanderberg (Leo/Leo) and Patrick Walters (Sagittarius/Ophiuchus) in Philadelphia, Tedd Shaffrey in New York (Capricorn/Sagittarius) and Christina Hoag (Cancer/Gemini) in Los Angeles contributed to this story.

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topkatnc
Give a stray cat or dog a chance .
09:32 AM on 01/18/2011
When I saw the little crab picture ... I thought of Charlie Sheen .. and his wife ...
06:23 PM on 01/17/2011
" in her native India the reaction may be stronger because astrology holds more importance there."
-In India they already use the Sidereal Zodiac.

Astrology is a link between Science and Spirit. It is only in recent history that Scientists did not study astrology- all intellectual people did. Modern Science has disassociated itself from anything of value or meaning and focuses strictly on measuring material objects. This dead Science 'we' now allow to control our lives only leads to destruction.
It's not astrology that is a scam nor Science, but the worship of anything but the One in who's image we have been formed.
Don't trust your astrologer, priest, teacher, or politician more than your own heart, but with a pure heart judge all things without prejudice.
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ImmanuelGoldstein
Founder of the "Brotherhood"
10:55 AM on 01/18/2011
The reason science stopped studying astrology is because it doesn't work. Period.
11:28 AM on 01/18/2011
Actually, I think you need to brush up on your history. Astrology was out of fashion before modern science existed, due to religious despotism and racial prejudice (even algebra was considered a black art for a time). The final nails in the coffer came later, with the rise of physicalism in the scientific community. Founded on linguistic confusion, everything is taken to be physical (or supervene on such). Propagandists of this philosophy use "physical" in the sense of its prototype, rather than on the basis of the actual evidence of the nature of the so-called physical world which indicate that the physical (technical term) is not at all physical (prototype).

Evidence against astrology that has been presented has been flimsy studies on people's subject feelings about their modern Sun sign horoscopes and their ability to be duped into identifying with ideal descriptions. Can you name other evidence?

Astrology is a complex art that the greatest natural philosophers of the Hellenistic ancient and Persian medieval worlds (and even a few later notables such as Kepler, whose Harmonices Mundi's chapter 7 is dedicated to it) contributed immense empirical study to its development, and I doubt any considered it perfected, leading to flawless predictions, just as I doubt any economists feel that way. To revive the deep tradition of astrology in the west that perished around the turn of the first millenia, and properly evaluate its hypotheses, would take the same expenditures of people, resources, and focus as that afforded economics.
11:31 AM on 01/18/2011
Simply showing that modern recreations of astrology for entertainment and fortune-telling purposes are fatally flawed is to say nothing. It's like saying that economics is bs because your neighbor is always losing money on the stock market (or more critically, because economists are wrong more often than right in predictions, although I know of no studies against astrology that actually focus primarily on competent experts that have studied its history and ask them their hypotheses and views, rather than simply using token hooligans and fortune tellers that employ modern astrology, so I think a loud self-professed but ignorant economist BSer with no credentials would be a better point of comparison). Astrology as an art, field of study, and possibly as a very important social science explores the nature of and interrelationship between time and meaning, and more importantly, there's still a public demand for deeper exploration of it, and a growing experience that there is definitely something there worth exploring, and that alone allows it to earn its place as being one of the few subject's presided over by its own Muse.
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Siebenstein
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05:11 AM on 01/17/2011
Incredible what people get angry about. Their fv...g signs???

How about getting scammed by Wall Street instead ?
03:19 AM on 01/17/2011
Astronome­r Parke Kunkle"? I'm sorry, I think you mean Astrologer Parke Kunkle. You are officially an astrologer when you start trying to revise zodiacs and tell people what to base astrologic­al interpreta­tions on. In addition to being an astrologer this Kunkle guy appears to be the most lowly and ignorant kind - a modern astrologer­, and Sun-sign based one to boot! Modern astrology is a recreation of astrology based in the 18th century spirituali­st movements like the Theosophis­ts, in which everyone thought a new age of spontaneou­s enlightenm­ent was about to dawn (just as their fluffy new age successors also believe), and bears almost no resemblanc­e to the almost over a millienia of serious natural philosophi­c inquiry into horoscopic astrology begun in the Hellenisti­c world in the first centuries BCE (these guys also invented the first computer, and it was to calculate charts! - http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/A­ntikythera­_mechanism ) and further developed by primarily Persians writing in Arabic in the early medieval period. I'm just an amateur historian of science, but for an astrologer this guy doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed. He doesn't even understand what a Zodiac and Signs are and how these differ from Constellat­ions. Anyway, the top despots of the academic in the NSF have officially said that belief in astrology indicates that one has "not acquired the critical thinking skills they need to distinguis­h fact from fiction." So look out Mr. Kunkle, your career is at risk.
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millcitymiss
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09:22 AM on 01/18/2011
He is an astronomy professor, and quite an intelligent one. Astrology is very roughly based off astronomy. He is trying to someone connect astrology and reality.
11:03 AM on 01/18/2011
Milly, you said, "He is trying to someone connect astrology and reality." Yes, exactly, THAT"S WHAT ASTROLOGERS DO. That's not what astronomers do. He may have another career as an astronomer, but he's got his astrologer hat on here, and he doesn't appear to have any credentials or even a rudimentary understanding of the basics in that field of study.
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steve12
02:14 AM on 01/17/2011
It appears that astrological signs are based on a lie and the astrologers have known about it for over 2 millennia, which would seem to make this the longest con in the history of humankind. Obviously this proves that astrological signs have no basis in astronomy and are as mythical as the ancient gods Zeus and Apollo.

Anybody that actually believes in this poppycock is delusional.
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Body politic
and what would you do with a brain if you had one?
10:42 AM on 01/18/2011
Right.....it's only a con b/c shallow, simple-minded people wanted structure and purpose in their lives. People are quick to attach themselves to anything that will give their lives meaning (and significance). Hence the obsession with social media - most people lead boring, unproductive lives, so in order to feel better about themselves, cling to whatever concept that allows them to embellish and feel good about their lowliness.
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ImmanuelGoldstein
Founder of the "Brotherhood"
10:57 AM on 01/18/2011
What amazes me is that this is still some big revelation. I first read about the whole shifted zodiac thing back in the early 70's when I was in junior high school.
08:42 PM on 01/16/2011
When I consider how much stock people take in the Zodiac, I don't know if I should laugh, cry, or pull my hair out!
05:06 PM on 01/19/2011
Nothing has changed, the zodiax is an earth-sun relationship, not based on stars. These people haven't a clue obviously
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ShanniC
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03:03 AM on 01/16/2011
I'm still a Leo! Not that I believe in that stuff mind you...
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10:59 PM on 01/15/2011
So why is the new scorpion sign only a week in duration?
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Academic Migrant
11:51 PM on 01/15/2011
Because it is not based on an arbitrary duration (e.g. 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month). It is based on how long the sun appears within each of the constellations from the vantage point of earth. Scorpio has technically always been 1-week (based on the Galactic, or "True" 13-constellation Zodiac), with Ophiuchus getting the other 3-weeks we traditionally ascribe to Scorpio.
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dporterdvd
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09:29 PM on 01/15/2011
I wonder if the Republicans are going to try and blame this on Obama. Is this in the stars?
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GuiltD
10:45 PM on 01/15/2011
Its more interesting when people who are independent from parties or progressves who are highly critical of the Obama ADMINISTRATION than the cartoon characters on the right.
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Blacksheep1
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10:04 AM on 01/16/2011
It's more likely that libs will blame George bush and Dick Cheney.....
09:11 PM on 01/15/2011
OK, you all need to understand something. This is MN and we are in the depth of winter. We do strange things in the winter because the lack of sunlight and cold make us all a little insane. Massive amounts of lutefisk, lefse, potato pancakes and hot crossed buns help us get through but every now and again we just have to lash out with something inane. We created Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox, MIchelle Bachman, Jesee the body, Olie and Lena jokes and the Kensington Runestone. This is nothing different and in the spring, when the crocus push through the last remnants of snow and we can wear short sleeve shirts outside again this guy will be able to sit at the local with his buddies and drain a long neck Grain Belt and get a bunch of good laughs. It's just our nature here. We suffer, you pay the price
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TakeSake
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11:32 PM on 01/15/2011
Just finished a Grain Belt Premium tonight. Not too bad. No hot-dish, though.
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KrazyJay
08:59 PM on 01/15/2011
"I believe it's a zodiac scam"

Well, the tooth still owes me 75 cents, so join the club.
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steve12
02:17 AM on 01/17/2011
A 2,240 year old scam.
08:37 PM on 01/15/2011
Given that this misguided idea that Ophiucus is a zodiac "sign" (as opposed to an ecliptic constellation) has been doing the rounds for decades, isn't it academically rather dishonest of Mr. Kunkle to claim this as his idea?

This is akin to me claiming credit for Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
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Academic Migrant
12:01 AM on 01/16/2011
All of the Zodiac "signs" are ecliptic constellations, Ophiucus being one of them. The only reason that Ophiucus didn't make the final cut based on the Western Zodiac is because for ease of calculation the Zodiac (comprised of a 360-degree ecliptic) was cut into 30-degree sections as opposed to 27.69-degree sections.

But you are correct that he is not really doing anything new here. Whatl he is really doing is illustrating that what we accept as the zodiac and what the true zodiac is are two different things. (Which further illustrates that Astrology is a bunch of B.S. since the stars and such aren't actually where Astrologers say they are at given times).
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tresluv
06:16 AM on 01/16/2011
That's a lot of misinformation you have there, especially for someone who claims that astrology is BS. .

The Tropical Zodiac, used by the vast majority of western astrologers, is based on the Equinox points, not the constellations. And we astrologers have understood the precession of the equinoxes for at least as long as astronomers.
06:42 PM on 01/15/2011
it's funny cause I myself was a capricorn too, and im more a laid back person, so this sagittarius thing seems fitting. yet still completely bonkers and a load of crap.
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Candide33
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06:10 PM on 01/15/2011
OMG!!! Really? *ahem*

Humans are silly creatures aren't they?
03:53 PM on 01/15/2011
I never felt like a Pisces. I thought I must be the fish swimming in the opposite direction. According to this, I'm Aquarius. I decided to check it out. UH, for what it's worth I've taken numerous personality tests and the description of an Aquarius fit that. How weird is that? Are they basing our personalities on astrological signs?