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Dems Growing Convinced That GOP Will Try To Force Shutdown Over Health Care Funds

First Posted: 01/20/2011 4:43 pm Updated: 05/25/2011 6:25 pm

WASHINGTON -- Congressional Democrats expressed a rare touch of nonchalance Wednesday as House Republicans voted to repeal last year's health care overhaul, since the repeal has little chance of passing the Senate. Behind the scenes, however, fears are mounting over what appears to be a more serious threat.

Democratic lawmakers tell The Huffington Post that they increasingly expect Republicans to try and freeze funding for the health care law. Such an attempt would face the same institutional hurdles as a straight repeal vote: a non-compliant Senate and a president wielding a veto pen. But whereas the repeal bill's death would mean -- in practical political terms -- absolutely nothing, the inability to pass an appropriations bill could have far-reaching effects.

"They are potentially setting up a situation where they will bring government, all of government, to a screeching halt," Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) said Wednesday. "Not because of the debt ceiling. This is beyond the debt ceiling ... If they think they are going to have the end game of their appropriations bills be that they drive health care reform into an early grave ... they are literally setting up a full stop for almost everything we will possibly do this year."

"I am real concerned," Rep. Charlie Gonzalez (D-Texas) said. "We do operate on yearly budgets that could exact great harm if they are dedicated to that proposition. You still have to work with the Senate. So what happens when you reach that kind of impasse? We have this gridlock ... There is no doubt in my mind that the Republican leadership ... has already charted a course. They are very disciplined and very good at what they do."

"This is only the beginning," Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) said. "I'm also fearful that they are going to try and eviscerate the legislation by denying it funding [and] by harassing the administration."

"I'm very concerned," Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) said. "There are a lot of things that need funding in order to be implemented ... Here is the point: these guys are serious. Give them credit. They said what they were going to do with repeal and now they are doing it ... There is no ambiguity here and anyone who doesn't see [defunding] as a deadly serious effort on the part of GOP leadership is naive."

Republican aides were coy when asked for a response to such concerns. To this point, much of the party's emphasis has been placed on the just-completed repeal vote -- which Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has pledged to duplicate in the upper chamber -- and on proposed hearings that would examine aspects of the health care law.

But defunding the legislation has always been considered a far more plausible option than repealing it. The Affordable Care Act requires funds not just for implementation, but also to pay the implementers. And while much of the money has either been sent to the states or set aside for federal agencies, there are enough vagaries in the appropriations process that could cause major headaches for reform proponents.

Ask congressional aides and health care experts what provisions of the law are most likely to succumb to a defunding campaign and you get a variety of answers. Tim Jost, a law professor at Washington and Lee University, said there are four distinct funding subgroups.

Provisions like Medicaid expansion and premium tax credits, which the law has going into effect only in 2014, "are effectively mandatory spending," Jost said, meaning that "unless the law is changed, the money will be available. It doesn't need to be appropriated on an annual basis."

For elements of the bill like community health centers, the money has been both authorized and appropriated. In other words: the dollars are out the door.

In cases where the money was authorized but not appropriated, like the wellness initiatives and training for primary care physicians, such provisions "will ultimately have to be set aside in future budgets."

Finally, there is the money for funding the agencies themselves, which is part of the annual appropriations process.

"I don't think that [defunding] is a serious threat," Jost concluded. "But it is the strongest hand the Republicans hold."

Among the four groups of reform provisions that Jost pinpointed, the last has congressional Democrats most nervous. With respect to components that still need to be funded (the third subsection) there is a growing expectation that Republicans won't touch those programs. "The things that require appropriations and aren't fully funded in the health care bill have bipartisan support," a senior Democratic aide said. "So if they want to withhold funding from the [law] they would get push back."

It's if Republicans start chipping away or restricting funds for the agencies "that would be problematic," the aide added.

Len Nichols, an expert on health care budgets at George Mason University, also said funding for the fourth section was the most "stoppable." In essence, Republicans could author legislative language that restricted Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius from spending a single cent on Medicare payment reform. "Then it comes down to, logically, a debate over why you are against it," Nichols said. "Do [Republicans] need a symbol so badly that they will cut off their nose to spite their face?"

There is some disagreement as to whether this gambit would be all that effective. HHS, like other agencies, has some latitude to move around its own budget as it sees fit.

But for all the fretting over a forthcoming funding battle, Democratic leadership seems relatively optimistic when asked Nichols' question. GOP lawmakers may view health care funding as the best avenue towards dismantling the legislation, but the public relations dynamics aren't in their favor. Though the Affordable Care Act may have mixed popularity among the public at large, its individual provisions are remarkably well liked by the country. And if Republicans manage to freeze agency funding, Democrats would have a lot of material with which to tar them.

"Hopefully that will not happen," Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told a gathering of new media reporters and political bloggers on Wednesday. "But we will just see how irresponsible they are ... they say they are going to hold back funding on everything. I don't know what they get at by that. But I think we would have to discreetly respond. This is what withholding funding ... would mean to you."

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07:53 AM on 01/26/2011
Just as long as their healthcare insurance isn't lapse, then what is the problem?
01:26 AM on 01/25/2011
What were those arrogant sobs saying two years ago? Oh yeah : "elections have consequences"
11:39 AM on 01/24/2011
I suppose everyone here will defend a new requirement hidden in the health care law that adds a 3.8% federal sales tax to a portion of the gain you make when you sell your house? That's right, on TOP of the capital gains tax that many seniors could face when they cash out and move south, (if they already claimed their one time exclusion), they'll get hit with ANOTHER 3.8% on top of that after 2013. This relates to health care how exactly?

I also suppose you'll defend the new 1099 requirement for all businesses and tell me it too is related to health care how exactly?
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miamorphos
08:43 PM on 01/24/2011
Heck, I'll defend it. thanks for the offer!
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
12:21 PM on 01/25/2011
Yep - somehow it makes a bit more sense than borrowing another $700 billion to make sure the wealthy get to continue being subsidized by the middle class!
Tim The Enchanter
Gary Johnson 2016
09:40 AM on 01/24/2011
Bears repeating -

lib·er·al
a. Not limited to or by establishe d, traditiona l, orthodox, or authoritar ian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-mind ed.

Let's review this because it's absolutely laughable.

"Liberals" are absolutely limited by tradition, such as Social Security, Welfare, Fannie Mae or anything else that has come out of Democrat presidents and won't change it for anything, except to make it bigger.

"Liberalism" (big government, laws, etc) has become a dogma, that is religiously thrown in our faces and it comes with its own authoritarianism - nothing is optional, nothing may be done at the state level, everything must be the same brand of failure.

The bigotry is off the charts when anyone tries to offer any alternative to a Democrat law or agency, let alone tries to defund it. The calls of "Tea Bagger" by "liberals" is certainly the most bigoted things I've ever seen in my life, not to mention the implication that any one who disagrees with a "liberal" is "uneducated", "unintelligent", "backwards" or even a "hick".

Every reform, such as welfare reform is off the table. No reform of "liberal" programs is acceptable except to spend more money. Welfare reform was demonized, Bush's attempt to reform Fannie and Freddie before the collapse was called "racist".

And the left is absolutely intolerant of the behavior of others, and will criminalize whenever
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
12:51 PM on 01/24/2011
Kinda got your parties mixed up don't cha?

"conservative"

1.disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2.cautiously moderate or purposefully low

You state ""Liberalis­m" (big government­, laws, etc) has become a dogma" Big government???? Of the last 5 administrations only one actually reduced the size of government by both numbers of employees as well as discretionary spending - Clinton!

"nothing may be done at the state level" You mean like California's medicinal marijuana laws fought so tenaciously by Bush's Attorney General? Meanwhile, conservatives gave us the "Bill of Rights" limiting "Patriot Act", Warrant less wiretapping, removal of habeus corpus, torture of prisoners, requests to ban gay marriage, requests to repeal the 14th Amendment guarantee of birthright of citizenship, and imposing the unfunded "no child left behind" legislation from the Federal Government onto every state.
Tim The Enchanter
Gary Johnson 2016
01:03 PM on 01/24/2011
But we're doing something about it and we're not at all in agreement with big government Republicanism. Bush only won in 2004 because Kerry was such an obnoxious old school bureaucratic New England "liberal". There were Democrats who could have beaten Bush, but didn't run. And Republicans didn't want to be divisive with two wars going on.
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
12:51 PM on 01/24/2011
"bigotry is off the charts ... The calls of "Tea Bagger" by "liberals" is certainly the most bigoted things I've ever seen in my life."
Weren't around for any of the race riots were you? Or the recent calls for "death to gays" - and if people don't want to be called "Teabaggers" maybe they should stop stapling tea bags to their hats. It's kind of like "white supremacists" wearing "swastikas" complaining about being called "Nazis".

"Every reform, such as welfare reform is off the table" Um - as I recall - welfare was significantly reformed under Clinton - welfare to work programs were highly successful and lauded by both sides for reducing welfare costs.

"No reform of "liberal" programs is acceptable except to spend more money" Now this one is laughable - If "liberals" are the "tax and spend" party, "conservatives" are the party of "Borrow and Spend". Of the past 12 administrations - only three - (Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2) - increased the debt as a % of GDP. Of the $14 trillion in debt - fully $10.6 trillion was racked up by republican administrations. And each conservative administration has constantly told us "deficits don't matter"!

You really ought to try to get a few facts correct!
Tim The Enchanter
Gary Johnson 2016
02:27 PM on 01/24/2011
Not around for "race riots" and that is all deep in the past. I don't need to clutch to it like an old liberal trying to justify his failed belief system. Don't recall anything about "death to gays". I do remember people wishing for GWB's demise.

You just like the word "Tea Bagger" because we won't let you use the 'n-word' any more.

Your reference to Republicans simply explains the existence of the Tea Parties. We're tired of Republican lies. We want results and we intend to get them. And until Democrats get real, stop breaking the Constitution and start cutting spending, we'll simply have to work within the Republican Party and transform it.

BTW, bell bottoms are out of style, you might want to look into that.
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
09:19 AM on 01/24/2011
They should be concerned. They should have been a bit more concerned about the way citizens were screaming at them to not pass Obama care last year. Broad hint, when the people throw legislators of the large majority party out such that another party are the majority party by a wide margin, you messed up.
Tim The Enchanter
Gary Johnson 2016
01:04 PM on 01/24/2011
That's advanced math for them.
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
02:23 PM on 01/24/2011
You do realize that 78% of Americans were upset because the health care legislation passed did not include a public option and current polls show 84% want the law improved - not repealed!
danceswithdata
What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?
11:09 PM on 01/23/2011
On a forum where there are already 17K posts, I'll be very brief.
Dems and President Obama -- we expect you to get very ballsy and come out swinging on this one. Do what it takes to show the Repubs in their most vile obstructionist posture. Mr President, hold firm -- NO MATTER WHAT -- with that veto power you have. Period.
kayatz3
No matter where you go, there you are..
01:16 AM on 01/24/2011
agreed! We can email the white house directly and we should...it will be read by someone and when there are an enormous amount of e-mails - there will be interest generated. Can't hurt, right?
Tim The Enchanter
Gary Johnson 2016
01:05 PM on 01/24/2011
We'll be just fine, let him veto everything. 2 years of doing nothing will work a whole lot better than having liberals doing "something".
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
02:24 PM on 01/24/2011
Or worse - letting conservatives do something!
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7dr361
USAF VETERAN Older Than Dirt
06:54 PM on 01/23/2011
Remember the gop names that want to take health care from you or your loved ones....Vote them out. or the dems that vote against your health care. Vote them out. I don't care which party if they don't represent you the voter......get friends together and send them packing. You don't have to belong to a phony PEE party.

75 year old (I)
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paxatman
Do no harm, Help others.
06:04 PM on 01/23/2011
People that want other people to not have health care when they need it are sick.
Tim The Enchanter
Gary Johnson 2016
01:05 PM on 01/24/2011
People that force people who are fine paying cash to buy overpriced health care insurance are sick.
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
01:27 PM on 01/24/2011
That's right - let them wait until they are sick so we can all pay for their treatment at an emergency room - to hell with costs
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Kerry keane
Proud Libertarian - but here I'm a "Bagger"
04:22 PM on 01/23/2011
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Why should Kagan recuse herself? The rightwinge­rs in SCOTUS have refused to do so under much more blatant circumstan­ces

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Oh Boy ....

You do know under federal law, judges who have worked in the government must excuse themselves from participat­ing in any case where they were involved "as counsel, adviser or material witness concerning the proceeding or expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controvers­y."

Right?
04:11 PM on 01/23/2011
America will be better of if the current administration gets nothing done.
kayatz3
No matter where you go, there you are..
01:16 AM on 01/24/2011
Why? Pray tell!
Tim The Enchanter
Gary Johnson 2016
01:06 PM on 01/24/2011
It worked pretty well under Clinton.
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miamorphos
03:29 PM on 01/23/2011
I had to suggest strategy, but the Democrats need to fool the Republicans into shutting down the government in the most irresponsible and reckless fashion. Make the party of the baggers stand up against the American people in a showdown, and let's see who wins. My money's on the American people and the Democrats, who outnumber the GOP by a huge margin.
Tim The Enchanter
Gary Johnson 2016
01:07 PM on 01/24/2011
The Tea Party is with the American people, and liberals are with the government.
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miamorphos
01:37 PM on 01/24/2011
The Tea Party, as you insist upon calling the bagger fringe, is a bunch of ne'er-do-wells who stew in ignorance and apathy, bursting onto the scene only when the Koch fortune pours money into astroturf groups. The "Tea Party" represents a fringe, a minority, a tiny sliver of extremists who only have "power" in rural areas.

And even in rural areas, their meetings only attract a tiny percentage of "the American People," who you assume to be somehow captivated by and represented by that weirdo bunch of dingbats. Tea Party indeed. Ach.
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Henryeb
Living Life And Loving It
03:17 PM on 01/23/2011
There has never been a bill passed that was perfect and neither is this one but for the GOP to go to outrageous lengths to repeal can only come back to haunt them. There are a lot of things, as polls clearly show, that Americans as a whole like about the bill. Their best bet would be to work side by side on making it a better bill. But that cooperation thing benefits Obama so I guess that is out of the question.
03:02 PM on 01/23/2011
I can only hope they shoot themselves in the groin.
02:47 PM on 01/23/2011
Why can't we as citizens of the US of A have the EXACT medical/health insurance, dental insurance that Congress, Senate, Legislature office holders have?

WE pay for their medical/health, and dental coverage, and THEY, (Republican's and a few Dems), want US to go back to the same tired, broken, overly inflated, costly system that we've been using for the past X amount of years.

Why are we paying for something for these elected people that we aren't supposed to have for ourselves?
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01:03 PM on 01/23/2011
Tried to warn you liberals that if we couldn't repeal we would defund and thats exactly what will happen.
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misterzay
Hate is not a congenital disease
01:52 PM on 01/23/2011
In your dreams, most of it is already funded by existing mandates and if you shut down the government, you guarantee giving back the House in 2012.
11:43 AM on 01/24/2011
Shutting down government means less government spending = automatic stimulus to the PRIVATE sector where the real jobs and real productivity are.