As Edgy NYC Disappears, Does Its Character Go Too?

DEEPTI HAJELA   01/23/11 01:10 PM ET   AP

Times Square

NEW YORK — CBGB, the birthplace of punk rock, is gone. No longer can visitors to Coney Island plunk down a few coins to play the unsettling attraction called "Shoot the Freak." And seedy, edgy, anything-might-happen Times Square? These days, it's all but childproof.

It continues: That diner on the corner for decades – closed. The beer garden down the street – now a Starbucks. The block once home to clusters of independent businesses – thriving as a big-box store.

And last month, another piece of the old New York slipped away with the demise of the city's Off-Track Betting parlors. It's enough to make old-school New Yorkers bristle.

Around countless corners, the weird, unexpected, edgy, grimy New York – the town that so many looked to for so long as a relief from cookie-cutter America – has evolved into something else entirely: tamed, prepackaged, even predictable.

"What draws people to New York is its uniqueness. So when something goes, people feel sad about it," says Suzanne Wasserman, director of the Gotham Center for New York City History at the City University of New York.

"I think that's also part of the New York character," she says, "that 'Things were better when ...'"

Change is constant, and few cities change faster than New York. But at what cost? Where is the line between progress and lost distinctiveness?

Raul Alvarado, a 70-year-old retired accountant, recently lost a piece of what made New York City special to him when the Off-Track Betting parlors closed.

No more smoke-filled entryways. No more Racing Forms blowing around the sidewalk. No more eruptions of cheers to make passers-by jump.

Launched in 1971, OTB was meant to undercut illegal bookies. It became the nation's largest betting operation, but was derided as dingy and seedy and drew loitering and littering complaints. The management gained a reputation for loose oversight and political patronage, and OTB was shut down last month after years of financial troubles.

"I've been playing horses for what, 30 years, maybe? It's part of your day," Alvarado said, closing out his account at a Manhattan parlor. "It's a little piece of the Apple."

The debate, of course, is a legitimate and basic one – edgy vs. safe, energizing vs. prepackaged. For every argument about New York's lost pizazz, there's another about how now you can take your toddler's stroller around most of Manhattan and not be afraid of what might happen.

Still, many say there's just something about the energy of New York City – about more than 8 million people crowded into a few cramped patches of land – that will always make it something special.

"There's a pace that exists here," says Paul Birkett, a tourist from Darby, England, visiting the city with his wife. For him, it's about the people: "You can change the surroundings, the infrastructure, but what I've always liked about New York is the New Yorker, and that's always pretty much going to be the same."

The couple was standing amid the hustle and bustle of Times Square, the most visible example of how New York City has changed in the recent past – particularly under Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the 1990s.

Now filled with massive signs of backlit plastic, big-name stores and casual dining, Times Square has come a long way from its days as a "GIRLS! GIRLS! GIRLS!" haven for peep shows, sex shops, drug dealers and squeegee men.

So has the once dank home of defunct rock club CBGB, closed after the owner lost a rent fight with his landlord. Last year, a men's fashion boutique opened there.

Some may long for that edgier atmosphere, but it hasn't disappeared entirely, says Kenneth T. Jackson, a Columbia University historian and editor of The Encyclopedia of New York City.

"The people looking for strip shows can always find it," he says.

In comparison to other places, Jackson says, New York City has changed less and managed to hold onto more of what makes it unique – like small mom-and-pop stores that can't be found anywhere else.

"New York City has done a good job of saving some of its treasures and holding on to its character and allowing change," Jackson says.

If there's one thing that doesn't change in New York City, it's nostalgia. Consider Mayor Fiorello La Guardia. After his election in 1934, he worked to remove the pushcart peddlers clogging the streets of the Lower East Side, viewed by many as a problem.

Once they were gone, people missed them.

"It drove him crazy that people were just bemoaning the loss of the peddlers," Wasserman says.

Anthony Berlingieri understands that sentiment. The man who brought Shoot the Freak and Beer Island to the Coney Island boardwalk was outraged when he was told to leave by the new developers – and even more so when his attraction was taken down.

Zamperla USA, Coney Island's new developer, has lofty plans – new rides and roller coasters, a year-round sit-down restaurant and a sports bar. Berlingieri doesn't deny the need to improve Coney Island but laments the demise of its wild and wacky flavor.

"The things that Coney Island presented, no other amusement park in the world presented that," he says. "The reason we were able to compete was our uniqueness."

Wasserman is hopeful New York will remain unique even as the places of the world start looking more alike.

"New York," she says, "will have a kind of individuality that isn't going to completely replicate anywhere else."

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NEW YORK — CBGB, the birthplace of punk rock, is gone. No longer can visitors to Coney Island plunk down a few coins to play the unsettling attraction called "Shoot the Freak." And seedy, edgy, ...
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08:50 PM on 03/05/2011
It is pretty clear that New York has lost its edge and a lot of its' distinctive character as a result of gentrification. It is also becoming less and less affordable to the middle-class and new creative talents. The larger question is does any of this matter going forward for the future creative vitality of the city?

If any one wants to continue this conversati on about whether NYC is loosing its edge checkout:

http://www .facebook. com/pages/ Is-New-Yor k-Loosing- Its-Edge/1 8430248493 9501
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pierre F Lherisson
05:10 PM on 01/27/2011
The zest and relish of the city that never sleeps have been fading away since the 1990's. The number of tourists that pick Manhattan as their destination will be one of the indicators to prove or refute this assertion especially if they shifted their preferences to visit the major Brazilian cities such as Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Brasilia, Recife, Porto Alegre or Venezuelan cities such as: Caracas, Maracaibo and Valencia
Erik77
I need someone to set a pick for me on the free th
04:24 PM on 01/25/2011
What about the myth of New York being the city that never sleeps?

That ended about 20 years ago.
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Tasies
02:51 PM on 01/25/2011
Particularly in the arts, New York has become reflective of the culture rather than at the vanguard of it. And being at the "vanguard" of things in New York has turned into either an unhealthy fixation with image or a reliance on gimmick. The city no longer produces street-level, fresh, honest-to-goodness movements.
11:47 AM on 01/25/2011
New York lost it's edge the day they closed the Sound Factory.
11:22 AM on 01/25/2011
I have several issues with this article.

First of all, anyone who assumes Times Square has ever been representative of the city--then or now--knows nothing about New York. In fact, the vast majority of NYC residents avoid Times Square like the plague.

Second, if losing a little bit of "edge" (whatever that means) means lower murder rates, not fearing break-ins all the time, and clean streets, then sign me up. I want to live in an interesting city but don't want to have to risk my life for it.

I recently moved back to New York. I lived in Boston, Portland, and SF for a few years, but decided to move back to the city because none of those places are anywhere near as interesting, stimulating, and "edgy" as New York.
07:49 AM on 01/25/2011
It has become very affordable for bedbugs, but that's not the kind of edge I appreciate.
02:51 AM on 01/25/2011
Sorry, I've lived in New York City all my life and it's lost its edge and has instead become an expensive tourist attraction where even the natives can't afford to live here anymore. There was an article in the New York Times recently detailing where the immigrants and native New Yorkers live throughout the City and it also indicated native New Yorkers are leaving the City, I don’t believe it described why but many previous articles indicated real estate in particular is too high and the cost of living. Where I live in the City many of the store fronts are closed because they can't afford the rent either.
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MikeyJaii
Socialism.
01:07 AM on 01/25/2011
NYC has definitely lost the touch.
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Harry Pujols
08:45 PM on 01/24/2011
This article is old news (CBGB was replaced by John Varvatos WAY more than a year ago, Mr. Fact Checker). It's also Manhattan-centric. The day the other boroughs become sanitized is the day the rich will have no one to share the city with. Besides, the rats are doing as fine as they had decades ago.
08:28 PM on 01/24/2011
I think the article and some of us may also be confusing "edgy" with "authentic." The latter is surely lacking nowadays not just in New York but throughout the country as a result of the corporatization of America. Silly me, I used to think NYC would be immune.

Sometimes I think about moving out (perhaps when the city finishes its job of destroying its resident middle class by laying off anyone making more than $50K a year), but where else in the US is there such a diverse population even if it is in an increasingly sanitized environment?
01:24 AM on 01/25/2011
I'm a "native New Yorker" that lived in So. California for 10 years, I moved back home 10 years
ago to get away from its shallow & homogenized culture. The problem is the culture followed
me east & thanks to corporate media, it’s over taking the entire USA, not just NYC! The Global
Conglomerate is winning this war. They need homogenized, compliant humans to meet their
goals. Intelligent, passionate, thinking individuals like New Yorkers ask too many questions &
don't believe or buy the crap being produced for sale. So, NEW YORK CITY, the real war to
fight after 9/11 is not to give-in to the propaganda & demand respect from all the planners for
our individuality & authenticity as a culture of globally diverse humans successfully living &
creating in this great city. Stop allowing the politicians & money-lenders from turning all of
Manhattan, as well as the other 4 boroughs, into a Disneyland for the uber-wealthy. It's time to
follow the money, stop the corruption & take back the city! Stuyvesant Town won the battle with
the insurance & real estate jackholes, proof that, although not easy, it can be done. It's time to
recreate the infrastructure of healthy NYC neighborhoods with affordable rents, groceries &
mundane services like dry cleaning or shoe repair stores, not just expensive gift shops or
fast food chains. NOW is the time to make it happen & hold onto NYC's soul!
07:31 PM on 01/24/2011
The "New York, New York" lyric works out....."if you can make it there, you'll make it anywhere" except for the thing that you have to be rich to begin with.
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BigLeftbowski
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07:20 PM on 01/24/2011
New York City lost it's "edgyness" after Rudy Giuliani sold it to Disney.
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Skygazer
The GOTP makes a mockery of the word freedom.
08:08 PM on 01/24/2011
And Bloomberg sold the rest of it to the Real Estate developers who destroyed big chunks of the city's neighborhoods and got many people evicted.
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alistairpolitic
i am not a part of your hallelujah chorus!
07:08 PM on 01/24/2011
NYC hasn't been seedy since the late eighties to early nineties and certainly not dangerous any more made safe for all mid-western trustafarians and banker to take over downtown making it boring as the cities they fled.

Some love it some hate it but it's still the CITY and always will be,
07:06 PM on 01/24/2011
I lost hope of any revival of the bad old days when Billy's Topless closed.
10:59 PM on 01/24/2011
OMG! Billystopless!... now a pizza/bagel/something-or-other...
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09:00 AM on 01/25/2011
and the Limelight is now a shoopping mall!
Vote with your dollars! I avoid any place that is a chain, NO Starbucks, Chipolte, Duane reed, Target and Walmart.
My local bike repair shop had to leave the East Village for BK because of high rents..so did I.