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Dan Choi Told To Repay Military $2,500 After Being Discharged Under DADT


First Posted: 01/27/11 08:23 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Under don't ask, don't tell (DADT), not only does an openly gay service member get kicked out of the military, but he or she may have to repay the Defense Department for any unfinished service.

Since coming out in 2009, Lt. Dan Choi has become an outspoken advocate for the repeal of don't ask, don't tell, which passed Congress late last year but remains in effect until a lengthy certification process is completed.

On Dec. 20, 2010, the Defense Department sent Choi a letter -- and a bill -- saying he owed the U.S. government $2,500 for the "unearned portion of your enlistment or reenlistment bonus." According to the letter, if Choi did not pay his debt within 30 days, the Department would possibly refer his account to a private collection agency, follow up with the Justice Department for legal action and report the delinquency to credit bureaus.

But on his Twitter account Thursday, Choi said he wasn't going to repay a cent, and he has written President Obama a letter explaining why. From his letter:

By flagrantly and repeatedly violating an immoral law, I have flagrantly and repeatedly saluted the honor of America's promise. At West Point, when we recited the Cadet Prayer we reminded ourselves "always to choose the harder right over the easier wrong." It would be easy to pay the $2500 bill and be swiftly done with this diseased chapter of my life, where I sinfully deceived and tolerated self-hatred under Don't Ask Don't Tell. Many thousands have wrestled with their responsibilities and expedient solutions when confronted with issues of this magnitude. I understand you also wrestle with issues of our equality. But I choose to cease wrestling, to cease the excuses, to cease the philosophical grandstanding and ethical gymnastics of political expediency in the face of moral duty. My obligations to take a stand, knowing all the continued consequences of my violations, are clear. I refuse to pay your claim.

The Huffington Post spoke with Eric Durr, spokesman for the New York State Division of Military and Naval Affairs, who explained that even though he was discharged involuntarily, Choi still had to repay the portion of the bonus because DADT was the law of the land when he came out in 2009:

Lt. Choi joined the New York Army National Guard in 2008, and agreed to serve in the New York Army National Guard as an office for three years in exchange for a $10,000 affiliation bonus. So he was given $10,000 extra, on top of his regular Army National Guard Reserve pay, for joining the National Guard, because we need young officers. Under the terms of this, which occurred in March 2008, he agreed to repay the part of the bonus that he had not yet discharged an obligation for, if he failed to satisfactorily complete that assigned term. And among those was involuntary separation for violating regulations. He signed it, like everybody does.

The $2,500 could be deducted from any tax refund Choi may receive. When service members have an outstanding debt to the federal government and they're serving at the time, it's often taken right out of their paychecks.

West Point graduate Anthony Woods faced a similar situation when he decided to come out. The Army agreed to pay half his tuition for the Harvard Kennedy School. But after he was discharged for coming out, the military demanded he repay the $38,000 in tuition money.

An Army spokesman told The Huffington Post that each case is looked at individually -- whether to recoup or forgive debts. In October, the group Servicemembers United sent the White House a memo arguing that those discharged under DADT should not be forced to repay debts.

"Since the law only allows, but does not require, the service secretaries to recoup education and training costs from those discharged early, the President can and should elect to end this practice in gay discharge cases immediately," read the memo. "No refunds on previously completed recoupments would be due if this practice were halted, although it would certainly be a welcome change if that were to be considered. However, the most important thing is placing a moratorium on the ongoing cases immediately so that those currently being hounded and pursued can get on with their lives. "

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WASHINGTON -- Under don't ask, don't tell (DADT), not only does an openly gay service member get kicked out of the military, but he or she may have to repay the Defense Department for any unfinished s...
WASHINGTON -- Under don't ask, don't tell (DADT), not only does an openly gay service member get kicked out of the military, but he or she may have to repay the Defense Department for any unfinished s...
 
 
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ZeraLee
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03:50 PM on 01/29/2011
I wonder if a presidential pardon could cover this?
11:38 PM on 01/28/2011
The military will have no problem integrating lesbians and gays who choose to serve openly, it's the toxic ignorance and hate that they'll have to overcome, as represented so well in this comments section.
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segdae22
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10:22 PM on 01/28/2011
Some of the comments on this article are so very disheartening. Yes technically and under the terms of his contract, he is responsible to repay the money. But as the article also states, that obligation is evaluated on a case by case basis. And all of those posters out there who seem to lack any compassion for this situation need to stop and walk a mile in Lt. Choi's shoes.

You have no idea the kind of stress a gay service member faces. I do - I dated one for 3 years. I watched the horrific toll it took on him. He was constantly monitored - his emails, his phone calls. We would have to endure months without talking for fear of being discharged and ruining his military career - and he was a decorated officer.

The reality of the situation is that sometimes the "law" must be tempered with compassion. And I think its time a number of people on this forum have a little more compassion.
10:48 PM on 01/28/2011
Compassion for folks that put themselves in these positions knowing full well what the ramifications are? I am sorry for your pain but there are lots of prices to pay when your name goes on that line. If you are unwilling to agree to it great, don't sign up. Now none of this implies the policy is right, it is what was in place at the time and I would love to see it finally repealed.
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segdae22
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05:54 AM on 01/29/2011
That's an outright disgusting response. These are men and women who are putting their lives on the line to serve our country, to protect our freedoms. And you want to deny them compassion because they "knew what they signed up for"? The ignorance of that notion is beyond compare.
09:35 PM on 01/28/2011
If Lt. Choi, a true American hero, ends up actually having to pay back this measly $2500, I can guarantee two things: (1) thousands of Americans, including myself, will step forward to contribute more than enough money to ensure that he does not personally suffer a loss, and (2) the overall military, especially those parts related to recruitment, will lose millions of dollars in the form of good will.
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JoyceBains
07:57 PM on 01/28/2011
How much money have they wasted trying to recoup $2,500?
06:26 PM on 01/28/2011
Dan Choi is not obligated to pay the military JACK!!! DADT was ruled unconstitutional by the courts and the federal governments appeal was dropped after congress passed the Repeal of DADT. (The court ruling stands!!) One can not be held responsible when violating a policy that is in direct violation to ones constitutional rights ( as ruled by the court). It was not Dan Choi's choice to leave the military, he was forced to leave. Next, an entity cannot seek restitution for breach of contract, If the term deemed to be breached was in violation to ones contitutional rights (the court ruling) .
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09:31 PM on 01/28/2011
My goodness! Well, for a first post, you certainly went for a home run. Too bad you struck out.
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Joseph Van Der Putten
05:36 PM on 01/28/2011
What's the difference between Dan Choi and a fired CEO of a major corporation ?

Dan Choi gets a $2500 demand for refund and the CEO gets $25 million golden parachute plus lifelong benefits.
04:53 PM on 01/28/2011
Dan Choi is a loose cannon, all about Dan Choi. The military is best off without him He is dangerous.

If he cared about serving, he would have fulfilled his contract. But no, he chose to out himself, in uniform as I recall, on the Rachel Maddow show.

He knew full well he was violating his contract, which based HIS actions, would require his discharge..

What did he *think* was going to happen?

That because he was somehow so special that they were going to make an exception for him after he *outted himself* on national TV?

Or that he was so important that somehow -- poof -- DADT would be repealed?



I understand that many posters here are not aware that military and civilian law are considerably different, that the military is not a democracy. But Choi, WP grad and all, knew what he was doing. He was breaking military law by violating a contract he voluntarily agreed to, and was paid for.

As for the military cutting him a break on the unearned bonus money due back to the military, the military cut him the most gracious break of all by severing him from service before he could be court martialed for chaining himself to the White House Fence, in uniform.

Soldiering is not a civilian job, nor is the military some kind of college campus where activists get to exercise their right to protest.

This guy is no longer fit for military service.
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Joseph Van Der Putten
05:38 PM on 01/28/2011
................................what did he think ? DADT would POOF! be repaled?.................................

Yes, it WAS repealed.
06:29 PM on 01/28/2011
Please, just read the bill yourself. It's there in black and white.

It has not yet been repealed, and won't if/until the DOD declares that it doesn't jeopardize national security or military readiness.

Why do you think soldiers have been instructed not to come out, and the military is not accepting any new openly gay recruits?
07:18 PM on 01/28/2011
The passage of the repeal act does not result in the immediate repeal of DADT. Under the terms of the new law, the President, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff must certify in writing that they have reviewed the Pentagon's report on the effects of DADT repeal, that the appropriate regulations have been reviewed and drafted and that implementation of repeal regulations "is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention of the Armed Forces". Once certification is given, a 60-day waiting period will begin before DADT is formally repealed.[58]

Representative Duncan D. Hunter announced plans in January 2011 to introduce a bill designed to delay DADT repeal. Should his bill be adopted, all of the chiefs of the armed services would need to submit the certification currently required only of the President, Defense Secretary and Joint Chiefs Chairman.[59]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_ask,_don't_tell
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pita143
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05:48 PM on 01/28/2011
First of all you have no clue about the facts that this man was forced out. He did not chose to out himself until the Military was already in the process of kicking him out. He decided not to be quiet about the I justice against him.
As a Disabled Vet I support this man, there have always been Gays in the military, BUT the Military never used illegal tactics to invade private E Mails or tap phones in the past like they have done in many of the recent cases.
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06:13 PM on 01/28/2011
He says on his own website that it was after Maddow that the Army began DADT proceedings.
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04:25 PM on 01/28/2011
When I was a young soldier, we had a term for young soldiers who thought they knew much, but hadn't learned that they had a lot to learn. "Barracks lawyers". I've blogged on this site several times now about Dan Choi, each time trying to educate someone, one by one. This time, I'm just going to address all the barracks lawyers out there, to my amusement!

If you think that the Army violated the contract, you are wrong. If you think you know anything about the contract, you are mistaken. If you think you can necessaril­y apply civilian law and procedure to the military, you are misguided. If you think that Dan Choi has three counts which, if pursued, would lead to Court Martial, you might be onto something.

And if you're so inclined you will do the research, because I tire of educating barracks lawyers.”
04:59 PM on 01/28/2011
Spot on.
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Joseph Van Der Putten
05:48 PM on 01/28/2011
.......................................when I was a young soldier....................................................

How long ago was that ?

Society has changed over time and you seem to be stuck in the early 1900's.

Luckily Secretary Gates and the Generals are changing with the times.

There will come a time when Lt. Choi will be honored like a military Rosa Parks.
10:51 PM on 01/28/2011
Agreed!
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UserNameJane
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01:54 PM on 01/28/2011
Seems like to me if anyone should get paid it should be him for loseing his job for being discriminated against. What a bunch of sore losers
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01:37 PM on 01/28/2011
Why cant he be reinstated?? If DADT is dead, I think all discharged under it should get reinstated automatically.. like all those translators!
05:12 PM on 01/28/2011
You do realize that DADT has not [yet] been repealed? The bill the POTUS signed authorized repeal when and if -- and ONLY -- if, very specific criteria are met. There is no deadline, no timeline and no guarantee it will actually be repealed.
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bdbbrooklyn
06:22 PM on 01/28/2011
Dream on.
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navyveteran
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01:30 PM on 01/28/2011
Trying to recoup the pittance of $2500.00 is as immoral as the DADT law is! The President and the greedy government could easily resolve this by reinstating these service members to finish out their military service. This " certification process " deemed necessary by the JCS and Secretary Gates is total BS. I served a career in the military; when the brass ordered something to be done...it was done! If you didn't like, you hit the bricks and rejoined the civilian world. What has our "all volunteer" military become... wusses? The next thing you know, the troops will be voting on unionizing.
10:53 PM on 01/28/2011
All sorts of other gov't employees do why not soldiers. ( it is a joke)
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01:12 PM on 01/28/2011
I see that my post has been removed. No matter, because I copy every post I make before I enter it. Thusly, it has been posted on several unrelated threads. If you don't like this, go find them.
teddyswims
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12:50 PM on 01/28/2011
Lt. Choi had no problem wearing the uniform he abandoned at the repeal signing of DADT. He was not legally authorized to wear that as a representative of our Armed Services. Had he retired, no problem. He knowingly chose to dissolve his contractual service to the Army, and as such, is obliged to pay for any services rendered by the Army pertaining to his training, housing and sustainment.
01:19 PM on 01/28/2011
You do realize that Lt. Choi did not "abandon" his uniform. He was kicked out of the military for being true to himself. There is a huge difference between being forced out of your job because of a discriminatory and hateful law and choosing to "dissolve" contractual services. Why are you spreading lies? It's because it is how the right works.
05:18 PM on 01/28/2011
But it wasn't a civilian job, it was military service. The military is not a democracy, nor will it be when/if DADT is actually repealed. . . .
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01:39 PM on 01/28/2011
"He knowingly chose to dissolve his contractua­l service to the Army". Chose to?? He was booted if the article pretty clearly states.
04:58 PM on 01/28/2011
The article, which obviously is very Choi friendly, is not accurate.

There are plenty of sources which can provide you with additional information on DADT and Choi. You can google them.
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DevonTexas
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12:47 PM on 01/28/2011
Nice salt in the wound!
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11:53 AM on 01/30/2011
Try again
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DevonTexas
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02:58 PM on 01/30/2011
try what again?