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Senator Talks Failure Of Rules Reform Package, Predicts Future Success

First Posted: 01/28/11 05:18 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

Tom Udall Rules Reform

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Tom Udall (D-N.M.), one of the chief proponents of the kind of rules reform that died in the upper chamber this week, said Friday that he believes a similar package can be passed down the road with the support of newer Republican members.

In an interview with The Huffington Post, the New Mexico Democrat put a good face on what was, for him, a dispiriting failure -- arguing that advocates of sweeping procedural changes were critical in setting the stage for the incremental changes that Senate leaders have agreed to. He was more optimistic, however, about future battles, which he hopes will be fought alongside his fellow first-termers.

"The senators since 2006 have been the real leaders for reform," Udall said. "I sense that Republicans too, and their numbers aren't as large, but senators in the '06 and '08 class of Republicans are dissatisfied with the rules. They just aren't at the point where they will step out of the party and join us."

Added Udall: "My guess is that with the larger Republican class coming in -- they are a very solid, thoughtful class -- I think as we move forward and we see how the Senate operates, we will have some of them join us in that effort."

Speaking a day after the Senate agreed on largely informal incremental reforms -- eliminating secret holds, lowering the number of nominees needing confirmation -- Udall lifted the curtain as to how and why a more ambitious agenda died at the hands of skittish lawmakers.

Udall said there was a sense of cautious optimism when he, alongside Sens. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), introduced a more radical reform package in early January. That legislation kept the major parliamentary structures intact but would have, among other things, guaranteed amendments for each party and forced filibustering senators to explain the reason for their holdup.

Support for the package swelled upon its unveiling. Conservative media outlets opined in its favor. And within one day, a bill with a handful of cosponsors suddenly had 26.

With an eye on building support, Democratic lawmakers used a procedural ploy to extend the first legislative day of Congress until after a two-and-a-half week recess, thereby providing a longer window to find the simple majority needed for passage. (Rules-reform advocates argue that the Senate can set its own rules on the first day via this so-called "constitutional option." After that, changes require 67 votes.)

Intra- and inter-party negotiations quickly took on a more serious tone. But almost as quickly as momentum to pass rules reform had grown, it dissipated. By the time Congress returned to session, pro-reform lawmakers were dour.

"The key to what happened [during the recess] is we didn't get the 51 [members]," explained Udall. "At some point in that week back, between Monday and Tuesday, we all put our heads together, we were checking in with each other, and we realized that we just didn't have the votes to take control of the situation."

It remains a closely-guarded secret which of the 53 senators in the Democratic caucus refused to vote for the bill. In conversations with The Huffington Post, activists and Hill aides have put blame on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

"I'm not sure that the 51 votes weren't there. If Reid had wanted to do it he certainly would have tried it," said one operative who lobbied the Hill for rules reform. "But he hesitated."

Others, however, said that objections came from all elements of the party and were as much about content as process.

"There were a lot of people who echoed the [former Sen.] Chris Dodd argument, that these younger lawmakers didn't know what life was like in the minority and would value the rules they were now criticizing," a top Senate Democratic aide said. "There were people hesitant with doing the constitutional option. And there were people in the newer classes from moderate states who didn't want to be seen engaged in a partisan endeavor."

Either way, without a clear majority, Democratic leadership was left with only two options: push the more ambitious package via the constitutional option and keep whipping votes, or negotiate with Republicans on an alternative. The former risked setting a precedent of lawmakers attempting to change the Senate rules every session -- a precedent that one Democratic aide dubbed "Pandora's box." The latter risked rankling the pro-reform lawmakers. Reid and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) went with the latter.

"We were pushing the reform and knowing at the same time that our leadership was trying to negotiate something," Udall said. "If we had had the 51 votes, we might have been able to negotiate a stronger package."

In the end, the question was how Democrats could maximize their leverage. Republicans understood that the more far-reaching package of changes stood no chance of passage, but the mere specter of exercising the constitutional option was something GOP leadership wanted to avoid. So when the final arrangement was announced, alongside the incremental rules changes was a pledge to spurn its use for the time being.

"The constitutional option created terror on both sides, which led to some agreements and some progress," said Udall. "And mainly it was a political fear in terms of what might happen in the future, what the other side might do things like that. And you saw they had an agreement at the end of this, the final colloquy they engaged in the very end they said both leaders have agreed to not utilize the constitutional option in this congress or the next congress. It was anticipated that power would change down the road."

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03:33 PM on 01/30/2011
I am sickened by this. In the Senate the minority rules. One can respect minority opinion and adjust to account for minority positions, without giving the minority veto power over everything.

The steps to limit the number of appointees needing confirmation and secret holds are positive steps. But they are a little like having to settle for roller skates when you wanted a Lexus.

It has also been said bad behavior is more to blame than the rules. If it weren't for bad behavior we wouldn't need any laws or rules for anybody anywhere. Once one has gained by bad behavior in spite of rules, one is not likely to stop the behavior in the future.
10:12 PM on 01/29/2011
This is incredible. Wat kind of a party would stand for the transgressive abuse of rules and priveleges that we saw all last session and not make damn sure that the rules got changed on Day One? It looks like today's Democrats are no longer capable of standing up for themselves; why expect them to stand up for their constituents? It's imperative to find out who stood in the way of real reform.

Enough with these elected officials treating each other like royalty. This has nothing to do with concern over one day being in the minority. This is about fighting back against a minority's incredible abuse of power. If they'll behave the way they did with 40 or 41 votes, how will they behave with 50+? The R's need to know the Dems are as tough as they are. Nothing else will have the slightest impact. Anything less makes a mockery of the constitution and those of us whose votes and money put them into office.
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rblackbird
10:02 PM on 01/29/2011
"It was anticipated that power would change down the road."

You mean as the Founding Fathers anticipated that slavery would end "down the road" when they refused to abolish slavery with the promulgation of the US Constitution?

From the days in the 1960's when Hubert Humphrey almost rounded up the votes needed to end the filibuster, to the present, the filibuster has frustrated the aspirations of a majority of Americans time and again. I used to buy the "minority protection" argument offered by Dodd (hallelujah, he is leaving!), until I realized that it rarely helped the Democratic minority, but more often aided the Republican, conservative and racist minorities. If the Dem senators can't figure out how to handle majority rule, what are they doing there? If the Dems did not have the filibuster to fall back on, maybe they would work harder to maintain their majority.
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
08:23 PM on 01/29/2011
Senator, we need you to give us the names of the Democratic senators who refused to vote for rules reform. Then we will vote them out of office, next time they come up for re-election. Please let the voters know who to blame.
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AlanInGA
Why Turn Around When You Can Just Pivot
09:14 AM on 01/30/2011
Democrats voting no to filibuster reform were Baucus, Levin, Pryor and Reid. Did not vote were Feinstein, Kerry and Inouye.

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/senate/1/6
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Querent
I say the things that have to be said.
09:22 AM on 01/30/2011
Thank you. Fanned for that service.
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bayarea000
05:38 PM on 01/29/2011
i don't understand. they dems ALWAYS accept defeat. i guess it's because they are always defeated. we need some ruthless dems in there.
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
12:29 PM on 01/29/2011
So what it all comes down to in reality is........5 or 6 senators determine what laws get passed, and which ones don't even see the light of day, in a country with a population approaching 312,000,000.

The Kings and despots of feudal Europe never enjoyed such power over such a large population.

Democracy?
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blueman00009
It is what it is
01:10 PM on 01/29/2011
Absolutely correct. The senate should be radically reformed or gotten rid of. A senator from a state with the population of memphis tennessee can determine the course of 312 million people. How on earth is that possible or right? Makes zero sense and has to be changed pronto. I don't want to be ruled by a senator from alaska or texas. I didn't vote for them so why should they have such unfettered and absolute power over me? Makes no sense.
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alan2a
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12:05 PM on 01/29/2011
This is bizarre. The incoming class of Republican senators is according to my senator more thoughtful! that includes Rand Paul, and the rest of the crazy tea party freshman. If I didn't know better I'd assume he was insane. The reality is that both party's are corrupt. They want to preserve their ability to wield power in ways undemocratic. For most, it is a means to larger campaign contributions as well as allowing them to play out their fascistic ideologies. I've argued and will continue to argue that we have lost. We are seeing the flowering of a fascist state, supported by an electorate that is racist, and apparently prefers an authoritarian form of government. In just the past few days Republicans have proposed privatizing Social Security and Medicare, redefined rape as only forcible and on and on, while their poll numbers have increased. If that doesn't suggest that the American electorate has been brain washed and that classical fascism is upon us, I must not live in the same reality as others. The idea that we could effect change by taking over the Democratic Party, which even if possible would take upwards of a decade leaves the reality that what we see now is only going to get worse. Every aspect of information in this country is controlled by the very forces that are destroying what was once at least a semblance of a democratic state.
10:34 AM on 01/29/2011
If true about Reid, another reason Reid should have lost the election. It would have been much better for the Dems during the next two years.
11:18 PM on 01/28/2011
Just wait until Republicans get 51 seats,.. if and when.
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
10:40 PM on 01/28/2011
Where is the list of the Democrats who would not join in reform to get the 50 votes for Senate reform?
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parlimentMike
Terrorists keep you in fear
10:38 PM on 01/28/2011
One party democracy at it's best.
09:37 PM on 01/28/2011
Fear what the other party would do in the future ---- they are going to do exactly what they want, no matter how courteous and careful Democrats are now. Experience should have told you so, Dems!
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Gamescook
08:18 PM on 01/28/2011
In this shot, does Mr. Udall look like a really old Brain Williams to anyone else?
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scorpioman
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08:14 PM on 01/28/2011
he thinks the baggers are going to help the dems???
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labman57
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07:51 PM on 01/28/2011
A familiar pattern has emerged: the Republicans in Congress tend to be ruthless, whereas the Congressional Democrats tend to be gutless.