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Specter Of Currency War Rears Its Head At Davos

FRANK JORDANS and MATT MOORE   01/29/11 03:32 PM ET   AP

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Director and Anchor, China Central Television, Rui Chenggang moderates a session at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Saturday, Jan. 29, 2011. More than two dozen senior officials from key economies will try Saturday to agree on whether to send a political signal that a new global trade deal can, at last, be completed this year as the World Economic Forum gradually comes to a close. (AP Photo/Michel Euler)

DAVOS, Switzerland — Key global trade officials spoke of their optimism that a new deal to liberalize international commerce can be finalized, but offered little in the way of concrete progress Saturday to indicate they can reach agreement before the end of the year.

Meanwhile, about 60 protesters marched down the street behind the Congress Center where the World Economic Forum's annual meeting was winding down and the event was peaceful until a brief skirmish near a train station about a kilometer away from the venue.

Police fired rubber bullets and a fire hose at the protests, some of whom were carrying a banner that read "Tunisia equals Cairo equals Davos."

It was a nod to the claims by critics that the five-day meetings serves as nothing more than a fancy get-together for the world's business and political elite without regard to common citizens.

But inside, concern over the protests in Egypt was palpable, with many calling on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to ensure protesters were guaranteed freedom of expression and speech.

"I think that we have to see how things move today and, obviously, the key here is for President Mubarak to respond to the needs of his people in a way that is more directly connected to their frustrations, much more so than apparently yesterday's speech succeeded in doing," Sen. John Kerry, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee told The Associated Press on the sidelines of the Forum's annual meeting.

Kerry's comments came just minutes after Egyptian state television reported that the Cabinet of Prime Minister Ahmed Nazif had resigned on Mubarak's orders.

Salil Shetty, the head of Amnesty International, told AP that Mubarak's decision to fire his Cabinet won't quell the anti-government protests that have shaken the country for five days.

"The idea of changing your cabinet is a bit of a joke. People are very clearly saying they want very fundamental change, constitutional change," he said.

Still, there was plenty of discussion, debate and dissent at Davos. The head of the World Trade Organization said a meeting of ministers from some two dozen countries in the Swiss ski resort of Davos had been "very constructive."

"The ministers gave a strong signal," Pascal Lamy told reporters on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum to which the trade talks are pegged each year.

Switzerland's economy minister, Johann Schneider-Ammann, who hosted the trade talks, said that there was "a sense that we are in the end game and that if Doha is done, it needs to be done this year."

EU trade commissioner Karel De Gucht concurred. "We should get a deal in July," he said. "For that we need redrafted texts in March and sustained negotiations by the senior officials till they get to an agreement."

But talk of any firm timeline was dismissed by America's top trade official.

"There was no real agreement on the timeline," said U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, opening up the prospect that talks to conclude the so-called Doha round of trade negotiations – now in their tenth year – might not be completed in 2011.

Differences between the United States and China are seen as the main obstacle to a deal, and Kirk reiterated the U.S. position that major developing economies had already benefited significantly from past free trade agreement and would gain even more from what is already on the table.

Negotiators' inability to agree on what is described as the "last 20 percent" has spooked business and political leaders.

Pushing the talks into 2012 – a U.S. presidential election year – would make a conclusion even less likely because the sensitive issue of trade would be a hard sell for politicians of any stripe.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel went so far Friday to warn that no agreement this year could set trade talks back by decades. Lamy, the WTO chief, said earlier this week that failure would undermine the international commerce rules painstakingly elaborated over the past 50 years.

Warnings of a new mercantilism have featured prominently at this year's Davos Forum, with some seeing the first signs of trade wars brewing that could undermine the fragile global economy.

"We are going to see the recovery of nationalism and protectionism," said Jose Sergio Gabrielli de Azevedo, president and CEO of Brazilian oil giant Petrobras. "I think we're going to face some type of currency war."

"The U.S. is going to try to use weak dollar policy to help recovery in the U.S., and Brazil, India are not going to accept that and will fight back, and then we're going to see some struggle and conflicts," he said.

Washington, too, has accused Beijing of keeping the Chinese renminbi artificially weak to maintain its cheap labor advantage.

Meanwhile, the euro's drop in the wake of the Greek and Irish bailouts has actually benefited some economies, such as Germany, whose export industries have flourished over the past year.

Ministers from Germany and France nevertheless made clear at Davos that they wouldn't risk letting the bottom fall out of the euro, insisting that any future shocks to the 17-nation currency were unlikely.

"I think the euro will be stable," German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said.

Christine Lagarde, France's economy minister said "I think the euro zone has turned a corner. Let's not short Europe and let's not short the euro zone."

China's growth and worries about Europe's debts have been another focus of attention among the 2,500 business and political leaders discussing the state of the world economy in Davos this week.

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Angela Charlton and Tomislav Skaro contributed to this report.

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09:00 PM on 01/30/2011
China’s Innovative Way of Skinning the United States!

Mark Twain is credited with an early use of the cliché "more than one way to skin a cat" in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, as follows: “she was wise, subtle, and knew more than one way to skin a cat, that is, more than one way to get what she wanted”. Thefreedictionary.com defines beggar-thy-neighbor as: an international trade policy of competitive devaluations and increased protective barriers that one country institutes to gain at the expense of its trading partners. Under the guise of fostering ‘indigenous innovation’, the Chinese government has creatively used a non-conventional, subtle version of beggar-thy-neighbor. Its version doesn’t entail the competitive devaluation of its own currency, which would enhance China’s exports and inhibits its trading partners’ exports to China. China’s version perpetrates an over-valuation of the currencies of one or more of its trading partners. This negatively affects all the trade of the pegged trading partner(s), not just trade with China. During the recent period China pegged its currency to the U.S. Dollar, its version of beggar-thy-neighbor was 8 times as damaging to the U.S. economy as what the media refers to as “China keeping it currency undervalued”.
In 2003 Warren Buffett encouraged America to adopt a balanced trade model. Until the U.S. adopts a balanced trade model, America will continue to squander time, treasure and talent in pursuit of an illusionary recovery.
03:11 PM on 01/29/2011
As a distant observer, I'm curious to know if people in the U.S. fully understand the massive fraud and corrupt collaboration between U.S. politicians and Wall St. that has wreaked havoc upon the world?

It is simply astounding and beyond belief! Many innocent people who understand little about the complexity of the world monetary system which is controlled by the U.S., Fed, and its Wall St. cronies, tragically end up suffering the most.

Those who fully understand this complexity also benefit the most. Nevertheless, the global money system is manipulated by a few at the expense of the many. And yet, while brave Egyptians and Tunisians desperately try to restore some sanity to political and economic life in their countries, the U.S. continues to export inflation throughout the world by its monetary policy of QE2. This form of financial socialism only benefits the rich and powerful, while war and economic upheavals only distract people from economic problems!

The con game by the U.S. and Wall Street is over, and perhaps Europe, China, and the U.S. can learn something from these brave Egyptians and Tunisians!
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jrogere
01:13 PM on 01/29/2011
That's what we need, another war. Our track record speaks for itself,

War on terror
War on homelessness
War on drugs
War on poverty

Have we won ANY of these?
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hulagirrrl
06:24 PM on 01/29/2011
Was there ever any intention to win any of them? I don't think so. Good thoughts though. Aloha
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
07:05 PM on 01/29/2011
Well, at least we won the war on the middle class.
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03:55 PM on 01/30/2011
A fact which leaves me "not amused".................
12:44 PM on 01/29/2011
Doesn't George Soros love to get involved in causing currency problems?
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dim
one in a can
03:29 PM on 01/29/2011
Soros loves to identify currency problems. How you deduced a ridiculous causality is not clear.
03:39 PM on 01/29/2011
He didn't, he got heard it on Fox.
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patches12
12:23 PM on 01/29/2011
This is much more serious than most people think. If American loses its ability to print mone i.e. the dollar is no longer the world's "reserve currency" we are all in a very deep doo doo!
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dim
one in a can
03:32 PM on 01/29/2011
No kidding. It'll get ugly.
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Ngonyama
Major prolation, perfect mode
04:38 PM on 01/29/2011
Hence all the biased reporting on the 'dire future' of the euro: wishful thinking from those that hate the limit that the euro's mere existence puts on their forgery plans.
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Mikeeee
conservatism = "low-effort" thinking.
12:22 PM on 01/29/2011
America does not react well to it's currency being questioned as supreme. This is just an observation, but I believe more relevant to what is happening in Davos than what shows on the surface.
A few facts about 'pre-Iraq' invasion.

1- Saddam was selling his oil in Euros
2- He was trying to get other OPEC countries to support him in doing this too
3- China and France had contracts signed with Saddam, for oil exploratio¬n/producti¬on in Iraq to begin as soon as the sanctions/control (mostly USA led) were removed.
4- UN was increasingly moving toward removing sanctions, since they were hurting the people more than Saddam
5- Iraq has potentially as much oil as Saudi ... (figures are out-dated, since Iraq has been at war for over 2 decades .. )
6- After the fall of Bagdad, the FIRST building secured by the USA was the Oil Ministry. That is where all geological records etc were, of course. AND contracts with countries other than the USA.
7- China and France did NOT support Dubya in the 'coalition' ......... and their contracts with Saddam were nullified when Saddam was deposed.
8- China needs oil more than it needs USD.
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patches12
12:25 PM on 01/29/2011
Yea - good history lesson Winchell.. now explain why WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE BARREL OF OIL FROM IRAQ AND IT'S PRODUCTION REMAINS WAY DOWN???
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Mikeeee
conservatism = "low-effort" thinking.
12:35 PM on 01/29/2011
For the same reason that all the oil produced in America doesn't necessarily end up in America, because "all" of it goes into an international pool and the highest bidder gets it. So all this lame drill baby drill to increase America independence is false.
Try and keep up.
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Timma
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05:02 PM on 01/29/2011
Nicely summarized...F&F
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humansareinsane
To think and to be fully alive are the same.
12:18 PM on 01/29/2011
I can't wait to put my life on the line over curency! (sarcasm)
12:12 PM on 01/29/2011
A woman at my workplace is going back to India to do the same job she does here. They will cut her pay to be about 1/7 what it is now. Will she suffer in her standard of living? No, she says!

Why?

Because the India values the dollar 7 times higher than it should. That way we ship all our jobs over there and it is literally transforming them into what we used to be. Successful.

Greedy executives are traitors!
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realitytrumpsbull
two 'alves of coconut!
11:58 AM on 01/29/2011
Currency wars! Nice! Now the little number units and spreadsheets and pieces of paper are fighting each other. But, given that currency was invented by humans, and humans get into it with each other from time to time, I guess it's not that big of a surprise...
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Ngonyama
Major prolation, perfect mode
04:40 PM on 01/29/2011
Try living without offering these 'pieces of paper' to anyone for a while, See how you like it.
11:55 AM on 01/29/2011
Currency Tricks destroy the Middle Class. For the first 150 years the dollar gained in value. Since the evil Federal Reserve Act, they have destroyed 95%of the value and with it the American Dream.

We need a strong dollar not a weak dollar. The worst investment in the world is holding on to cash under your bed for too long. http://talkofliberty.com
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Timma
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05:03 PM on 01/29/2011
Yeah you mean like the big banks and corporations are doing...trilliions in stashed cash...
01:07 PM on 01/30/2011
yes. Its the greatest heist in history.
09:21 PM on 01/29/2011
The middle class did not exist before the Federal Reserve Act. At least not in its present size and with its present standard  standard of living.Recessionsand bank collapses were 3x more prevelant in the first 150 years than after.That isincuding with the Great Depression in the after.
 
The middle class expanded with government spending  during World War 11 and after.There was an effective regulatory regime for the banking system during the same period.
 
That  regulatory regime has been neglected and dismantled over the last 30 years. Meanwhile the banks have innovated their businesses into the unregulated shadows.They have done what all people do when there are no laws to restrain their greed . STEAL.
 
You would think (from your post )that inflation did not exist before the Federal Reserve Act. Perhaps you should take another look at the Civil War ,the post war 18th century, etc.
 
You dont want economic liberty ,you want economic slavery for the middle class with overwhelming  wealth for the few.Your experiment was tried.The results were plain to see by all during the Guilded Age and during the worst depression in our history in 1873-79.
 
This free market fundamentalism is a dangerous rewrite of history.
01:06 PM on 01/30/2011
Some economic historians have complained about the "great depression" that is supposed to have struck the United States in the panic of 1873 and lasted for an unprecedented six years, until 1879. Much of this stagnation is supposed to have been caused by a monetary contraction leading to the resumption of specie payments in 1879. However, this "depression" saw an extraordinarily large expansion of industry, of railroads, of physical output, of net national product, and real per capita income. As Friedman and Schwartz admit, the decade from 1869 to 1879 saw a 3-percent-per annum increase in money national product, an outstanding real national product growth of 6.8 percent per year in this period, and a phenomenal rise of 4.5 percent per year in real product per capita. Even the alleged "monetary contraction" never took place, the money supply increasing by 2.7 percent per year in this period. From 1873 through 1878, before another spurt of monetary expansion, the total supply of bank money rose from $1.964 billion to $2.221 billion—a rise of 13.1 percent or 2.6 percent per year. In short, a modest but definite rise, and scarcely a contraction.
01:06 PM on 01/30/2011
The myth was brought about by misinterpretation of the fact that prices in general fell sharply during the entire period. Indeed they fell from the end of the Civil War until 1879. Friedman and Schwartz estimated that prices in general fell from 1869 to 1879 by 3.8 percent per annum. In the natural course of events, when government and the banking system do not increase the money supply very rapidly, free-market capitalism will result in an increase of production and economic growth so great as to swamp the increase of money supply. Prices will fall, and the consequences will be not depression or stagnation, but prosperity (since costs are falling, too) economic growth, and the spread of the increased living standard to all the consumers. The analogous "great depression" in England in this period was also a myth for the same reasons.[3]
11:45 AM on 01/29/2011
The only winners are those multinational corporations and international bankers who are playing the world market with absolutely no regard for the people in all the countries that are represented by their chips at the poker table.
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11:38 AM on 01/29/2011
It appears if a "Currency War" does start, USA again will srike with it's "Stealth" weapons. It seems that what DC calls a "recovery" and what is going on is pretty much invisilbe to the commoners as things have not got better, costs up, real wages down.

So with such a reality in place, seems the only thing the USA can use in "Curency Wars" is this "Stealth Economy" AKA we claim to have recovery but most of commoners cannot see, but me thinks flaw in that "USA Stealth Economy" is that rest of world knows it does not existt, kind of like Irag's "WMD's" a threat that does not exist. We just might lose this real war that counts the most, the "Currency Wars" as we are pretty much disarmed.
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Big Richard
Stuck in the middle with you
12:09 PM on 01/29/2011
The USA has one big weapon in the currency war. It has gone "All In" with it's military investment.

We could have invested in education, research, job training, or balanced budgets. Instead, we invested in the means to protect our investments abroad, maintain our influence abroad and secure access to resources abroad.

Would the USA actually use force to secure it's economic status? Duh, yeah! The outcome would depend on how successful it is in the early stages. If successful, it would establish a military occupation force throughout the world, to enforce it's status. If not successful, because it would not have a functioning economy to rebuild it's forces and weapons, it would escalate to it's remaining weaponry, even to nuclear, until it either succeeds or destroys the world.

It is this threat that, today, keeps other nations from pushing the issue against the USA. China is trying to expose the threat to the world and is being ridiculed for it's efforts. I, sometimes, think that other nations are trying to drag out the process of finding a solution in a hope that the USA will collapse on it's own from it's growing debt and, thereby, avoid the military option.

In any case, if the USA faces it's situation, of an economy in decline, it could peacefully relinquish the reins to the growing economies on friendly terms and be spared the fate of other economies. America's standard of living would be reduced, but, the other options are much worse.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
04:01 PM on 01/30/2011
Big Richard excellent post F&F...you are right, today the US is guarding Iraq, Afgan in regard to the OIL. UNOCAL has an agreement with KarZai. There is also a plan going forward for oil/gas pipeline to Pakistan and India. These will need to be guarded lest they be blown up every day. Without OIL the US grinds to a stop. Today the USA has 618 PERMANENT Military installations around the World. While I type there is a US Armada on the Island of Diego Garcia just offshore of Iran..There is another armada just off the coast of Costa Rica just 4 hour steam to Venezuela( if the American public were to read foreign news all of this would be apparent)
11:38 AM on 01/29/2011
This is all old news to those that listen to the Glen Beck show.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
11:28 AM on 01/29/2011
But the REAL issue that is going to cause next crisis is the impending rating decline of Japanese sovereign debt.

Japan is now where the US is projected to be in a bout twenty years, with an aged and aging population and a debt level so high that their likelihood of EVER paying it off approaches nil. Already credit agencies are looking at putting them in to the AA- category, the sovereign debt equivalent of junk. When that happens they will soon be paying as much interest on their debt as the State of California now pays on theirs - and that will ENTIRELY absorb their government revenue in simply paying interest, with no money whatever left over for goods and services.

They will, of course, have to inflate their way out of it, which means everybody holding Japanese bonds takes a haircut - and a huge one - and by the time we get done it will be a worldwide economic crisis - Again.
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
07:16 PM on 01/29/2011
George, I'm glad you brought this up. I've been thinking about the Japanese situation for a while now, especially about the impending rating reduction of their credit. It doesn't take a genius to imagine that the banksters and hedge fund managers will have figured out how to make immense amounts of money on the disaster that will befall Japan. And I suspect that will have been only an experiment, a test of their scheme. Once it's proven, what's to stop them from downgrading the USA credit rating and consuming the final amounts of money remaining in our economy? After all, we have recently seen massive and untraceable manipulation of stock markets where billions of dollars went off into a black hole. This won't be any harder.
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Anabelle Lee
11:27 AM on 01/29/2011
"We are going to see the recovery of nationalism and protectionism"

Code For - The citizens of the world are demanding accountability from those who have set themselves up as their masters.
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hswanson2
Could you work if farmers didn't
11:50 AM on 01/29/2011
One can only hope - globalism is ridiculous shipping goods all over the world to capture cheapest labor and taxes using oil that the US goes to war over. In the mean time the country those goods are shipped to end up with high unemployment and usually an inability to feed themselves.
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Ailton
01:28 PM on 01/29/2011
you're right on the money.
Corporate greed, with full support of the politicians they get elected, has doomed the middle class in America.
We should look closelly at what is happening in Egipt.
We used to be a people with the guts to go out in the streets and protest, vis a vis the Vietnam war. Now we sit in front of the tv and wait for change to come.
I have a feeling that change is not gonna come until we go out and make ourselves heard.
Outsourcing of mfg to China has doomed the American worker, whom by design, can only afford the cheap crap pushed by corporations using Chinese slave labor.
By taking our jobs away, they created the consumer class for their cheap products.
Then again, some of it is not even that cheap. A two dollar shirt made in China is sold today at the mall for 25 to 35 bucks after a 50 to 70% discount.
We're taken for fools and maby we just are.
Mr. Obama, the savior of us all, purposefully ignores the big white elephant in the room.
thy name is o u t s o u r c i n g.
The day he goes out and says clearlly, for all to hear. " we need to bring mfg back to America". Enough is enough. We need to start making things again.
Those magic words will empower us into change.